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Sockpuppetry Allegations - Sasquatch101
Copied from user talk page(s) Posted on Leon's talk page earlier today:
(I originally wrote this to you on Community Central, but it glitched and my message was not appearing. That's why there may be some artefacts.)
Hello there. I see you're the head bureaucrat here. I have some information related to some sockpuppeting schemes going on on that wiki, so I'd be glad if you could hear me out. I apologise for the new account but I fear persecution for the controversial info I may show you.
I will get the simple stuff out of the way first, the more complex evidence is for later. Where do we begin? Both these users (or should I say, this user,) have the exact same beliefs. For example, compare "their" profiles, both of them have the "Catholic" "This user follows the Policy" "XBOX 360" and "Niko is the best protagionist" infoboxes. Both of their profiles begin with "I am Boomer/Sasquatch." And the writing style on both of their profiles is very consistent. This may be more than coincidence. Their interests are the same as well. Both of them edit on the same wikis (i.e GTA Myths.)
Now, only a couple weeks ago, Boomer8 was banned for Meatpuppetry (he was also unilaterally unblocked by VaultBoy.) And that's just another reason why "Boomer" is just a sockpuppet of Sasquatch. These two users will defend themselves to the end. It's the reason why Boomer got demoted from his staff position - he was angry that Sassquatch was demoted. Just look at both of these user's edits to either the GTA Wiki or the GTA Myths Wiki's Community Noticeboard or Requests for Promotion page and you will spot something fishy.
The biggest proof is these user's IP address. They are EXACTLY the same. Now, they are using a dyamic IP address so his IP will often change, but it is a minor difference and is usually only by 1 digit. [Their IP is usally 184.108.40.206 but I have seen them edit from 220.127.116.11 and 18.104.22.168 as well. If anyone wants me to delete this personal info I will.] Not to mention their editing times - it is very strange. They log in at the exact same time, but do not edit at the same time suspiciously. For example, Sasquatch will sign in, make an edit and vanish, then right after that Boomer will sign in and make an edit, and so on. This activity just shouts "I am switching accounts!" to me.
My conclusion is that Sasquatch101 and Boomer8 are sockpuppets of the same person. I am asking you to take some action against these rule breaking users.
I also have a suspicion that bureaucrat LS11sVaultBoy is also assosciated with Sasquatch and Boomer, but I do not have much proof other than the unilateral unbanning of them and constant support for them, even when bad ideas were proposed. This probably is not a bad gesture as I presume VaultBoy is only doing this to maintain his admin at the GTA Myths Wiki by "being good" to Sasquatch.
I have provided some photo evidence of various claims below, just remember that there are even more occasions of these 2 users pulling the things I have mentioned above.
Imgur link with various photos of evidence: http://imgur.com/szX46BV,2wOk2Dp,pgI8VE0,J5tota6#0
It is well known around here that Sasquatch and Boomer are close, and they will agree on a lot in votes, especially Requests for Promotion supporting each other. They appear to be close friends and this is backed up by the fact that they work a lot on the GTA Myths Wiki, but Tom's involvement does not seem likely just because they agreed on a vote. Tom can make bureaucratic decisions if he feels there has been an unjust decision, however, he should have brought it up. For now I will not be making any reports to Community Central. I will also argue this case if you bring it up with Community Central. Leo68 (talk) 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
A discussion has been made to lift the ban on Boomer but it seems unlikely he'll get it lifted. As for Sasquatch, he may be similar to Boomer but I don't think B is a sockpuppet of S or vice versa. Leo68 (talk) 04:46, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it's a Community Central issue. Perhaps if we wanted to punish B and S for being sockpuppets, but that's something more suited for Special:Contact rather than CC. It should remain local for the time being. PunjabiNights (talk) 04:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- "It should remain local for the time being."
- — Anonymous sockpuppet
- Sure it should... wouldn't want Wikia staff asking curly questions like how this person claims to know wikia editors IP addresses now would we? They are either Wikia staff abusing their CheckUser rights or the IPs have been farmed by off-wikia bait site(s), and we know who has been using one of those recently now, don't we? smurfy (coms) 11:10, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Allow me to debunk some of the so-called evidence presented here.
- The quoted IP addresses are allocated to Cingular mobile devices by proxy, and could be in the same room or on opposite sides of the country, and will be allocated simultaneously to literally hundreds of mobile devices at a time. This is standard practice in the industry. There are many other reasons for multiple accounts to have the same public IP address that do not prove they belong to a single user.
- I have pulled some data for edit times here at GTA Wiki. The last time they were both active simultaneously was around 30 April 2014. Some may remember the vandal attacks that happened at that time. Since then, they have both been serving various blocks here so naturally they haven't been active simultaneously much. The days where both have edited, there has usually been gaps of hours between one another. I haven't had the time nor the inclination to repeat the exercise for the Myths wiki.
- Shared interests - isn't it strange how two people who become friends on the internet could have the same interests and use the same userbox templates on their user pages to display those interests. /sarcasm! Most of us here at GTA wiki have many of those userboxes in common. We have shared interests, that's why we have congregated here in the first place.
- Similar style on user pages - most users seem to copy and paste layouts for their user pages and just edit in their own detail. If you are going to convict as sockpuppets everyone who plagiarizes user page content for their own use, you are going to end up with a small active user base.
- Personality/style - as has been discussed elsewhere, either this "one user" is a very good actor, has a serious multiple personality disorder, or (more likely) there are actually two different people.
- Taking sides - Yes, it is abundantly clear that they take the same side in any debate. That's precisely why Boomer was blocked for Meatpuppetry. That doesn't make them the same person.
- My case for the "defence". smurfy (coms) 12:11, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Allow me to debunk some of the so-called evidence presented here.
- It is painfully obvious to me that these spurious allegations have been made by a user with an axe to grind against Sasquatch101, Boomer8 and LS11sVaultBoy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify who that could be. Even letting slip words like "persecution" should give you a clue that we are dealing with exactly the sort of troll attempt we were supposedly on the lookout for after the Cloudkit01 blow up this week. The fact that many of you seem to have been gullible enough to fall for this mud-slinging disappoints me almost more than the act itself. smurfy (coms) 12:11, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Unless they're brothers, what PunjabiNights said appers to be solid proof for me, not to mention that I study system analysis and it's too much coincidential for them too have the same IP addres, even if they live close or far, check my IP addres and see if anybody has it or if it comes at least close. (talk/stalk/blog) 15:04, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- I don't believe that Tom is a vandal, nor do I believe that Boomer and Sasquatch are run by the same sockpuppet. If they are then it would be frustrating that for nearly three years we've had two sockpuppets. Tom's mistake was not bringing up the issue regarding Boomer's ban with other staff or even if it was decided by a Bureaucratic veto. I think that somebody has an issue with B and S and want to discredit them. They just appear to be close friends. Leo68 (talk) 17:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- This is user is Gunshow (the extreme vandal that has been harassing the Myths wiki) trying to besmirch me and Boomer. Vault Boy should block this user right now as he is aware of how this guy operates. See what I'm talking about--- --Sasquatch101 (talk) 22:31, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
Recent Events - Boomer8 Block
Earlier today another user accused one of our staff members of sockpuppetry and favoritism towards Boomer8 following his unexpected blocking lift. I have reinstating the block for now and will not be making any formal reports to Community Central. However, there is a vote being set up to determine the future of the user.
- No - Leo68 (talk) 04:23, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 04:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - DLVIII Talk 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - smurfy (coms) 05:07, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - 07:30, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No MC (MyComputer) 07:35, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Neutral Myth(Talk/Stalk) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:14, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - (talk) | (stalk) 10:24, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - SJWalker (talk) 12:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - (talk/stalk/blog) 14:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- No - DocVinewood (talk) 17:42, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- He's been blocked twice and was given the ban for failing to follow the rules. Leo68 (talk) 04:23, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Boomer has had trouble in the past. He needs to stay blocked. Though this case of sockpuppetry does sound likely... Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 04:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm gonna say right off the bat that I don't feel confortable with Boomer here. He is hot-headed, childish and I don't see him as a valuable user enough to ignore the rule about the permanent ban after two blocks as Leon already pointet out above. - DLVIII Talk 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- I am not going to vote as I am a new user and that really defeats the purpose, but I am going to give you a TL;DR on why Boomer8 should be banned: he has been known to use sockpuppets. I left a large messageon Leon's wall about this, but in short, Boomer has the same IP address, interests, profile and much more of another Wikia user. Sockpuppetry is against this Wiki's rules and he should keep the ban. PunjabiNights (talk) 04:46, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- I was really sorely tempted to vote yes here just to spite the trolls that are using their dispute with Boomer and Sasquatch from Myths Wiki as an excuse to mess with this wiki. But the fact is that Boomer's blatantly displayed personality issues got him deservedly blocked by Jeff. There is no justification for the block to be lifted. Incidentally, Boomer's cited traits are markedly different to those displayed by his supposed sockpuppet Sasquatch, and any accusations of sockpuppetry from an account that is itself practicing sockpuppetry (in the guise of protection from "persecution") should not be taken into account in this discussion. smurfy (coms) 05:07, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Next point, do we bring Sasquatch's involvement into this and block him for sockpuppetry? If Boomer also controls Sasquatch's account then, A; he's been breaking the rules and getting away with it for nearly three years, B; he's sockpuppeting after a block and C; he occupied TWO patroller positions in the past. Leo68 (talk) 05:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Oh dear, a sockpuppet case? And this user getting away for three years?
I think that both accounts should be blocked for an unlimited amount of time for having zero integrity.MC (MyComputer) 05:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, maybe there's indeed not enough evidence, but Boomer had not learnt his lesson as he had been blocked too many times, so it's still a no to the block being lifted for Boomer.
But indeed Punjabi did have some evidence.
- If the sockpuppetry allegations is true, I don't even know what to say. MC (MyComputer) 13:55, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
There's not much proof that Boomer and Sasquatch are the same guy. If you're not convinced, send a checkuser request at the Wikia staff.Changed my opinion after eading Punjabi's message. I suggest to discuss Sasquacth's situation in another thread. 08:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Boomer and Sasquatch dont appear to be the same person to me. I think I also once found both editing at the same time on GTA Myths Wiki. Myth(Talk/Stalk) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Oh dear, a sockpuppet case? And this user getting away for three years?
- I have known Boomer from GTA Myths Wiki and He is not somekind of vandal. However I cant say yes because of him being blocked so many times.Myth(Talk/Stalk) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- After looking over several things, I now agree with this. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:14, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- He has been blocked four (now five) times, all with good reason. When he returned late last year, he made no real edits to the Wiki. There was no reason for him to have been unblocked again, he had done nothing to justify it. SJWalker (talk) 12:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- I think the way Boomer treated Dan and Jeff is enough reason to get him blocked forever. Check this out and you'll see what made me feel uncomfortable for his block lift. (talk/stalk/blog) 14:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Just like Sam, I see no reason to unblock him. DocVinewood (talk) 17:42, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
- Closing the vote. Given that 12 people have decided to keep him blocked there's no way we'd get enough users to turn it around. Leo68 (talk) 17:54, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
Closed as; WildBrick142 (8) TevanoRCMP (1)
Following Dodo's demotion to inactivity, there is now a vacancy for the eighth patroller position. WildBrick and TevanoRCMP have both expressed an interest, so the vote has been thrown open to the community. The voting rules are the same as with the recent administrator election, whereby you list who you want to vote for in the "votes" section. Best of luck to both users.
Hello My names TevanoRCMP but my real name is Brandan something that should be noted about me is that I am 16 I live in the United States (as noted by my profile) some more things that should be noted about me is that im kinda like a grammar corrector sometimes if I see a sentence that has a spelling error in it I will try my best to correct the error and if for example on here if in an article and I see the word you instead of the player I will correct it to say the player if necessary. I hope to be able to contribute more to the wikia. The reason why I'm interested in becoming a patroller is because I wanna help other users and contribute more to the wikia. I hope one day to be able to help other users to get up to where I'm applying for. Thanks for taking the time to read this I hope to hear back from you guys.
Hi all. I'm WildBrick142 (also known as WildBrick). I usually contribute here to add info or improve things. I used to be a bureaucrat on another wiki so I know how all the staff tools work. I like creating or editing templates (Some examples; here, here and here (ToJ helped out with this one, by coloring the mission name text) and know some of MediaWiki (not much though). I have fixed most of the templates/infoboxes in the new style following the Wikia change that messed up background-less infoboxes and created a set of "Gta[title] missions" navboxes for each post-GTA2 game. (I've also found and removed this vile leftover from the Community split) The bad things is that I'm not that good at spotting/reporting vandals - I'm mostly here about editing, improving, etc. - and that I'm not active that much (I will have to study for exams for and until the next two months but after that I will be much more active). Feel free to ask if you want to know more.
- Tevano - (talk/stalk/blog) 18:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- WildBrick - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 18:48, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- WildBrick - DocVinewood (talk) 19:39, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- WildBrick142 - DLVIII Talk 20:34, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Wildbrick142 - smurfy (coms) 20:43, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- WildBrick142 - Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 20:47, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- WildBrick142 Dispatch Data Files 00:05, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
- WildBrick142 - () 23:33, April 22, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- WildBrick142 - Leo68 (talk) 00:33, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
- Difficult, but i'll have to vote on Tevano on this one, sorry WildBrick. (talk/stalk/blog) 18:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, I think Tevano is more respectful (I'm not accusing anyone), and could be more responsible. I've seen him edit, and he doesn't make silly mistakes, whereas Wildbrick makes mistakes, and forgets to correct them. Wildbrick is a good editor, but I don't think he'd be a good Patroller,. Sorry (talk) | (stalk) 18:28, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- "whereas Wildbrick makes mistakes, and forgets to correct them" May I ask for examples? I'm not gonna lie - I did and do make silly mistakes when editing, but I usually try fix them instantly when I notice them. 18:43, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- The many times you added the handling file data to all them vehicles that day, you made many mistakes on the titles (eg: "Overview", instead of "GTA V Overview"), you also kept spelling Overview wrong several times. This is just a few on the top of my head I've seen. (talk) | (stalk) 18:45, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- "Overview" is what was always used before, and I did not know that we have to specify the game in the title - it's not mentioned in the manual of style so, obviously, I had no idea how exactly should these sections be handled. As for spelling things wrong, it happens to everyone - especially people who's first language is not English. 18:52, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Not to be rude, but the attitude you give to users isn't exactly welcoming. I've seen some messages (no fingers being pointed) which are quite demanding and rude. (talk) | (stalk) 18:55, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Which users? Unwelcoming? The only times I was "demanding and rude" was during our arguments in the past (vehicle stats, Faggio and Media policy) and these discussions were only with me with the GTAWiki staff (except in the Faggio argument where one user joined in too, but I don't believe this was "unwelcoming" in any way). 19:14, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Check some of the messages you have sent to me for example, whe I first recieved some of them, I felt quite shaken by the way you worded or spoke to me. for example, when I removed the rename template of the category page, you said: "Well obviously! I Ain't a admin so....". The first part of that was quite sarcastic and harsh. Anyway, I'm ending this before you start to argue with me, another concern I have, since the events of the Faggio incident, which Andre delt with responsibley. (talk) | (stalk) 19:24, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- As I said, I misunderstood it. I didn't knew Categories could not be renamed and the way you worded the edit reason ("You cannot rename categories" or something along these lines) as well as removing the "Move" template made me think you're just removing it for the sake of removing it and saying that I cannot rename pages. I did not intend it to be harsh or malicious - sarcastic yes, but only because I misunderstood your message. I'm not arguing here (or at least not intentionally), I'm just trying to clear up the false things said about me. 19:38, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- I've been editing with WildBrick for more than a year now and it is unbelievable how much he has done for this wiki (and another wiki of mine he helped me with something on). Several of the things you see on the wiki are here because of WildBrick. He also has more thane enough edits and has been here longer. He is helpful and always responds to messages quickly. Also, Tevano says that he is a "grammar corrector", although, as a self-proclaimed grammar Nazi, I felt like shooting myself in the head while reading Tevano's statement. I can't see a single correct piece of grammar. It's either he isn't good with his grammar, or he is half-arsed (pardon my French) about the job and couldn't be bothered writing his statement with correct grammar. No offence to Tevano, as I'm sure he's a great editor, but I feel WildBrick exceeds him in almost every way. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 18:48, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Okay, answering messages quickly is an exaggeration, he takes a lot to answer sometimes :p (talk/stalk/blog) 18:56, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, he takes hours - sometimes days - to answer messages. Staff should be active and read to answer messages, instead of being offline, being un helpful. (talk) | (stalk) 18:58, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- He's always answered mine pretty quick. When I say quick, I mean within a couple of hours, 6 at the most. Who knows, maybe I catch him at around the right time. Also, if you're complaining about staff having to be active all of the time, check out Messi1983, there's been times when he's been inactive for 2 months at a time. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Agree with Andre, it actually takes me a long time to answer messgaes, and that's not only here but in other sites as well. It's all because of my lack of time, sometimes I barely get to log on and when I do I usually don't get the time to reply so it takes me pretty much forever to respond to anything. I try to answer messages as fast as I can though. Sometimes I also read the message and decide to reply later, but end up forgetting to reply later on. 19:14, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Definitely Wildbrick. He has contributed a lot to the wiki adding content, images or fixing infoboxes. He has been here for a much longer time and he knows how to use the staff tools already. Regarding Tevano, no offense but you should start improving your own grammar before claiming you're a "grammar corrector".
I think you're a good editor and you have potential, butWildbrick is a better option right now. DocVinewood (talk) 19:39, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm gonna have to go with WildBrick here, looking at his contributions, its unbelivable everything he has done to this wikia, he definetely deserves the spot.
Tevano is competent, but just a little more then 200 edits? I feel that I need to see more before you can get my trust.Tevano you need to improve A LOT, not just in grammar, but also in the way you handle the wikia, you keep forgetting to sign your messages, your userpage is a mess and for some reason you keep getting into others people conversation without no one calling you. I'm not the right person to judge others by their grammar, because my grammar is also far from perfect, but even I can see that out of both of you, Tevano is the one that needs to improve his grammar the most. So, I'm gonna go with the one with more experience and less grammar issues. But don't give up Tevano, more opportunities will appear in the future.Tevano, if you don't improve any of this, I'm afraid you have no chance to become a patroller in the future. - DLVIII Talk 20:34, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Absolutely wildbrick. If you think this Tevano idiot should be staff, I'll be leaving. Check my talk history with him! smurfy (coms) 20:44, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- That was when i first started smurf things change don't you know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TevanoRCMP (talk • contribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.
- This is an agressive and rude comment, Sean, you don't need to state something like that, even if you hate a user so much. (talk/stalk/blog) 22:42, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Tough. smurfy (coms) 23:18, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- WildBrick with no questions, since he looks very acceptable as stated above, apart for the contributions that he made (especially the interior maps that I was adding some time ago). Tevano... well, I don't know too much about him, and he seems a bit complicated; he claims himself as a "grammar corrector", yet there are grammar mistakes over there. I don't like that because in my case, I'm good at English and grammar, but not too good to state that I'm "perfect". The case is that "presuming something" isn't good. Sorry. Camilo Flores (talk) 22:11, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- I vote for WildBrick. He's been on the GTA Wiki a long time and has greatly contributed to the wiki in over a short period of time, along with others such as Doc, Smurf and Switch101. As with the other three, if it weren't for WildBrick, some pages would not have been merged, images would not have been added, nor would our vehicle performance template be updated. I don't know much about Tevano, but he has tried helping out very well. However, he doesn't have enough contributions to promote him, nor is his grammar very good. Like others said, this isn't to make you lose confidence Tevano, however, use this as an opportunity to look to improve yourself in case another spot becomes available. For now, I vote for WildBrick. () 23:33, April 22, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- WildBrick is more experienced and I have always believed he deserved to be Patroller. I am closing the vote with the new Paroller being WildBrick. Leo68 (talk) 00:33, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
Fine with me I'll try again next time when everyone gets a better chance to know me more by the way guys I never said that I am perfect with grammar I said I correct it the best that I could never said I was perfect at it TevanoRCMP (talk) 02:22, April 23, 2015 (UTC) Also a tip free of charge of course don't be afraid to try new people just saying TevanoRCMP (talk) 02:26, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
Mission Music / Wanted Level Music for GTA V
Hello All, I'm sure you may all know by now that, during missions, unique Rockstar-Produced music plays, and many different tracks play. They also play during Wanted Levels (changing in intensity when raising stars), Heists, Missions and Activities.
I have found a channel on Youtube that has all of the tracks, including Mission Tracks, Wanted Level tracks and Heists Tracks, and he sensibly names and uploads them, without having any intros/outros. The only problem is he puts "Remember to subscribe, rate and subscribe" in the Description (you have to click the down arrow to see that, though)
Since he is very good with copyright, and how he presents the videos of music, with sensible images, comments and audio, should we consider adding these tracks to mission/heist/wanted level pages? (bare in mind the tracks are individually unique, and are Rockstar-made).
NeutralYes - SJWalker (talk) 17:25, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - Mortsnarg (talk) 17:56, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - Myths (Talk)
- Yes - SenyaGTA.
- Yes - (talk/stalk/blog) 13:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - DLVIII Talk 13:43, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - () 15:51, April 20, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 18:23, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - Leo68 (talk) 04:32, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
- I think the music should be added to the game, but I don't know how they'd fit into the mission pages.
If they are to be added, I think the best place would be in the radio stations page, but under a "Soundtracks" heading. As Alex said, the soundtracks from all the games should be listed in a dedicated "Soundtracks" page. SJWalker (talk) 17:25, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- We'd put it in the videos section. Along with the FPS Walkthrough and Mission Walkthrough. (talk) | (stalk) 18:58, April 19 2015 (UTC)
- Good idea, like we have a "Mission Name"/Transcript, and "Mission Name"/Walkthrough technique, we could have a "Mission Name"/Soundtrack. Which follows a separate article design. (talk) | (stalk) 18:08, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- I like the idea of having music on pages, but I think that we should make a new "soundtrack" page if there isn't already to put all the original music from ALL the GTA games, not just GTA V (Tenpennys Theme, San Andreas). I also have another pretty swell music source: GTA V Score. If anyone deserves to be the "music" source on the wiki, it's this guy. He has all songs and he has who made them, too. He's solely dedicated to GTA and his videos get released within days of a new update or game. Just an idea. Mortsnarg (talk) 17:56, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- Tbh, he doesn't seem to have all of the scores we need. The channel I picked out has all of the mission scores, as well as Heist tracks AND Wanted Level Tracks. (talk) | (stalk) 19:10, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- GTA V Score does, he even has stuff like loading music and pause menu music. The reason I thought we should make a new page is because every mission doesn't have its own score, the Assasination Missions are a great example of this. I think maybe put the ones with their own scores on the missions pages, then make a new page featuring all the misceallneous tracks. Mortsnarg (talk) 18:17, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, especially because I love Bury The Hatchet and Minor Turbulence's themes. (talk/stalk/blog) 13:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
- It's an interesting idea, just create an page to include all score songs in one single place and remember that this theme songs are part of the SCORE of the game, not the soundtrack, the soundtrack is composed by the songs on the radios. If I remember correctly, GTA V is the first and only game of the franchise to have an original score, right? - DLVIII Talk 13:43, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
- Right, closed as successful, I will contact the Youtuber and mention the vote was successful. Please do not add any of the tracks onto pages/new articles until I get the all clear. Thank You! (talk) | (stalk) 14:45, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm reopening the vote until the all clear is given. I also gave a positive vote. Leo68 (talk) 04:32, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
Probation Expiry: AndreEagle17
First time so I'll lay it out for everyone. This vote is the outcome of a three month probationary period that Andre has undergone since his promotion to Patroller in January. His rights will remain and will only be lost if the vote is negative. There are eight voters, limited to administrators and bureaucrats, and 5 positive votes are required for a pass, and 5 negative votes result in a fail. Patrollers and users may comment on Andre's work since he made Patroller and throughout his probation. Anyway, down to business. Leo68 (talk) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - Leo68 (talk) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - smurfy (coms) 04:04, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - Smashbro8 (talk) 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- Yes - SJWalker (talk) 11:30, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 12:53, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Andre has vastly improved since he became a Patroller. He has improved on grammar, is quick and effective and benefited from probation. Yes from me. Leo68 (talk) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Happy to have been proved wrong here. There may have been a couple of minor skirmishes over the last few months but nothing significant enough for me to have made a note of them to bring up here. Well done. smurfy (coms) 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- I vote for Andre, not only because we are good friends but because he has improved so tremendously it is amazing. His grammar has improved, his policy following has improved, everything basically has improved. He understands how to use rollback, how to solve edit wars, how to help the community in merges, talk page discussions, votes, etc, and also knows how to use warnings. He also is the "founder" of this year's chat sessions (with me being a co-founder, as we used to share chat, allowing users to join). Anyway, a big yes from me. Smashbro8 (talk) 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- Andre has come on leaps and bounds since his probation. Like Jamal said, his knowledge of all aspects of the policy has improved vastly and he's a much better editor for it. SJWalker (talk) 11:30, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- Another yes from me. Andre has proved he deserves the position more than enough. DocVinewood (talk) 12:53, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
- 5 positive votes. Vote closed as pass. Leo68 (talk) 14:26, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
Due to recent events involving 'trollers' applying for positions, I have locked the Requests for Promotion page until another staff position comes up. The Requests for Promotion is a page that can't be vandalized due to how important it is on this wiki, so from now on, the page will be locked when staff positions aren't available. Leo68 (talk) 04:36, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
*What about the ones who reapply after coming back from their inactivity? I may try to reapply for patroller rights after a week or two of editing. --Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 01:45, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
Enhanced Version Vehicle images in Infobox
Closed as unsuccessful by Leo68 (talk) 00:46, April 15, 2015 (UTC) Hey guys, just wondering, since the cars look much better in quality and lighting in the enhanced version of GTA V, should we get vehicle images from the enhanced version for the infoboxes? I started this a while back, but I forgot to get the rear quarters, and I saved the images in their smallest format (Like an idiot). What do you think? Is it worth it? (talk) | (stalk) 14:23, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
NeutralNo - 13:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- No - 13:39, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Neutral - (talk/stalk/blog) 13:47, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Neutral - SJWalker (talk) 13:55, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- No - DLVIIIL Talk 14:01, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - eventually smurfy (coms) 20:26, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
YesNeutral - Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 20:42, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Neutral - DocVinewood (talk) 21:04, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- No - () 23:29, March 30, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- Disagree Tony 1998 (talk)
- It's a good idea but it'll probably be better to wait for PC version - there's only two more weeks of waiting. 13:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- That's what i meant, PC is part of Enhanced Version. (talk) | (stalk) 13:37, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Much better? From what I've seen, vehicle images from PS4/Xbone barely look different. Furthermore, each attempt to swap the X360/PS3 screenshots with new ones resulted in lower quality screenshots. Unless someone is able to add nice images, don't see the need to change. 13:39, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- It depends on the picture, not on the platform or quality, as Rain said, some attempts to swap the original version's screenshots resulted in poorer images. (talk/stalk/blog) 13:47, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- As Rain and Andre said, the picture quality is the important thing. The current infobox pictures are clear enough and serve their purpose. SJWalker (talk) 13:55, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Not worth it. The upgrade in lightining is barely noticeable and even if it was, do you honestly think that the majority of people who come to the wikia to see images of the vehicles pay attention to this kind of stuff? They are here just to see the design of the vehicle and thats it, they will not stop to see the lightning or the polygons on the image. The images that we have already do the job, thank you. - DLVIIIL Talk 14:01, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- The MoS is quite clear that the infoboxes should have the latest game appearance and there is no reason for that guideline to change. In the case of GTAV, the enhanced version of the game is the latest. The HD screengrabs DO show a lot more texture, lighting and model detail than the Snapmatic resolution shots, which is why I originally questioned whether they qualified as "fair use". However, that being said, the images should only be replaced when a better quality image is available. A lot of the existing shots have far too much background interference and/or the vehicle is painted too dark/lighting is inadequate to show the design detail. I was guilty of replacing with some rushed shots taken in limited PS4 time that were admittedly worse in some aspects. I have also thrown away hundreds of PS4 screenshots because they were no better than the existing once they were examined on my PC. As has been discussed in several talk discussions, the Vehicles Manual of Style is being updated after the PC release, along with the gallery design guidelines (I'm still undecided on using the gallery templates). The same rules applied to the character pages which have mostly all been replaced with enhanced version portraits with often very little graphical superiority over their low-res predecessors. smurfy (coms) 20:26, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- "the latest game appearance" - Yes, game, not edition. Going by this logic, then let's update the GTA San Andreas vehicle images because the latest edition has slightly better textures (oops I forgot San Andreas is too old).
I'm going to repeat what 558 said and that whenever someone checks out for vehicle images they are interested in design, they do not give two fucks about light effects which are, if you don't mind, barely noticable on PS4 and Xbox One - as shown in some of the screenshots that were uploaded to the Wiki. Most of the vehicle images (they come from either DocVinewood, WildBrick of a couple of others) are of pretty good quality.
Something that I would support, however, is that we upload "render" images - which means we take the vehicle model from the game files and upload a front quarter view of the model with transparency. Of course, that'll require GIMP/Photoshop knowledge to add semi-transparency (that ain't really easy), but it'll be the best we can get. Simply swapping the current images with images from an edition that will have probably small changes in the vanilla edition and they won't change the vehicles images neither. 20:35, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Whoa whoa whoa, not so fast, MoS says "latest appearance", yet, this is not totally applicable, see, we can't replace the Python's main picture from a Vice City model to a Vice City Stories/Chinatown Wars model, as they came later than GTA Vice City, the same goes to Cuban Hermes and Diablo Stallion, in adittion, as Rain said, the enhanced version of GTA V is not necessarily the latest appearance, as it's the same game, just more detailed, this case is different than those of characters (see Trevor Philips, Michael De Santa and Franklin Clinton) which makes much more difference. (talk/stalk/blog) 20:43, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm with RainingPain and 558050 on this one. Enhanced edition also has this fog-like blur so instead of giving a sharp image, it looks a bit misty instead - even with a png format (can't describe it). It's not like you can even see a huge detail difference in these tiny infoboxes. 20:49, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Am I the only person who uses the wiki that clicks on thumbnail images to see the full resolution image in a new browser tab? smurfy (coms) 20:56, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- No, I do that too, but honestly, most people just want to search for information. They don't care about the shadows, lightning, reflections, etc. They just see image and "okay, so that's the car I saw" and move on. There are people who do look on full resolution images as well but they probably don't care about shadows/lightning/reflections, etc. Other than the image resolution messing things up, the detail on cars is extremely similar between both versions, if not the same. 21:10, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- I do the same thing, and, as well as the latest appearance/rendition rule applying to this, the quality is actually better, the reflections, lighting and shadowing makes the car look even better, as when the image is compressed to a smaller size to fit in the infobox, the detail stands out better, making it a very vibrant image. (talk) | (stalk) 20:59, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- "the latest game appearance" - Yes, game, not edition. Going by this logic, then let's update the GTA San Andreas vehicle images because the latest edition has slightly better textures (oops I forgot San Andreas is too old).
- (Reset indent) Viewing image in full size is not an excuse to replace good quality screenshots such as Switch101's with crappier quality screenshot for the sole reason that they were taken on the PC edition. Afaik most of the previous titles have console screenshots, yet no one decided to complain about not being "pc ultra master hq" screenshots.
21:08, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Actually it should be which one is better. I am saying if a ps3 image is better than pc then keep ps3 image. The one that looks better should be kept regardless of edition.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 21:19, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Whoa, hold one a sec. The forum was initially about swapping every GTA V vehicle screenshot with a PC one. Something I highly disagree with because there is no purpose of replacing good quality screenshots with other ones that are usually of bad quality for the sole reason of being taken on PC. Now, if we talk about swapping screenshots that are of quite bad quality with better ones taken on PC, I fully agree with this. I had noticed multiple images that aren't so good. But we could do that, assuming that the provider takes good quality screenshots. I don't mean to single out the concerned users here, but I haven't seen any vehicle screenshot from next-gen that was better than the former. I don't say I'm a good vehicle photographer, and I know how hard it is, but I'm just saying that if we can't get better quality screenshots, the swap is pointless. 11:40, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
- Actually it should be which one is better. I am saying if a ps3 image is better than pc then keep ps3 image. The one that looks better should be kept regardless of edition.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 21:19, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- The enhanced version(PS4 Xbox one and PC) has better graphics. So yes. But new images should be of good quality not bad. As smurfynz said images should be replaced only when a better one is available.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 20:42, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- It's very simple really. Images should be replaced if someone uploads a better one, regardless of the edition. Of course, a good PS4 image will always have preference over a good PS3 one, but for me, the photographer is more important than the platform. For example, check Switch101's vehicle images (in my opinion the best vehicle photographer of the wiki), they're from last gen but of excellent quality. DocVinewood (talk) 21:04, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Smurfy is, in my opinion the best vehicle photographer, he gets shots of the above, underside, sides and front, as well as details on badging and crash deformation, that's alot of images that sum up a car's description, origin and durability. (talk) | (stalk) 21:06, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- No, I agree Switch101's are generally better lit and composed than most of my vehicle shots - apart from the occasional busy background. smurfy (coms) 21:13, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Redact - It wasn't Switch that had the busy backgrounds issue. Although if you look at his earliest uploads, he did have lighting and "fish-eye" compositional issues until he learned how to use the snapmatic lens properly, similar to issues I had with PS4 depth of field etc. smurfy (coms) 21:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- I think it is safe to close this as unsuccessful. There should be no specific "project" instigated to replace all GTA V vehicle images solely for the sake of replacement with higher resolution shots, but, like any other image on the wiki, if a better image is available, there should be nothing preventing any editor from uploading it. smurfy (coms) 23:04, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
- Smurf and I had a discussion about that a few days ago when it came to changing the Kuruma and Savage infobox images into enhanced version images. A lot of editors such as WildBrick, Switch 101, and Doc managed to add very high quality images from their original versions. To me there's hardly a difference between enhanced and original version images and some are quite poorer to me than the original versions. Also, like everyone else said, quality matters. There's lots of enhanced version images that aren't even that good to me, while some images such as the Heists Update vehicle infobox images are very high quality images which were taken on the original version. () 23:29, March 30, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
Transcript in mission pages
Should transcript be allowed in mission pages again? I remember there used to be transcripts but they were mass removed for some reason. Apparently it is violating copyright even though this is kinda silly because this wiki has worse things than transcripts in pages. I fail to see how it violates copyright, considering we have images of pretty much everything, videos of every mission that have audio/walkthrough/transcript and snippets of game file code to help with many different pages. Many different wikis also have them and noone complains about copyright even if it's a R* game wiki (or an actual GTA Wiki but in different language). And I'm pretty sure if there was an actual copyright thing made by R* to begin with, it would have most likely expired just like the "no cutscenes" in IV.
Should they be re-added again? (Ignore the fact that it takes up much space or any other technical difficulties. I can easily make it take up little to no space and fix said difficulties.) 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - 19:04, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - DLVIIIL Talk 19:39, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 19:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:00, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - (talk/stalk/blog) 20:05, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - SJWalker (talk) 20:14, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- As said above. 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- One more to the list. 19:04, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes please. I see transcripts in so many wikias and its ridiculous that we don't have any of these. Its helpfull and pratical so why not? - DLVIIIL Talk 19:39, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Same as 558. Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 19:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, they were one of the first things I edited before they were removed and I too do not understand their copyright. I'd help you make them too. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:00, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Request is closed as successful so let's do this. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:25, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Which way should we handle this? Write down what happens in the background (i.e. "Niko gets off the boat and Roman arrives in his taxi" quotes "Niko gets in the cab" quotes, etc.) or do it the simple way Saints Row wiki does (i.e. "cutscene" quotes "gameplay" quotes, etc.)? 20:32, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I'd say the first option. 20:38, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I'd go with the first one too. I'm starting to do the first mission of GTA San Andreas by the way. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:40, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Also, should we include links in the transcript? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:42, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Noted. I'll start off with GTA III. And IMO, links should be only in the character and scenario. Not in quotes just like in the main page. 21:36, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Are we 100% sure it's not a copyright violation? Why were transcripts removed? DocVinewood (talk) 20:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- They were claimed to be copyright to the new admins by the old admins after the community split. I don't think they are copyright, and if they are then RockstarPressUK will let us know. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:49, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- The idea for transcripts being copyright violation is non-sense. If its true, then Rockstar must be the only developer concerned about this kind of stuff, since hundreds of wikias have transcripts and they never faced this kind of problem. Also, Red Dead and L.A. Noire wikia have transcripts and Rockstar never bothered neither of those wikias with copyright allegations. - DLVIIIL Talk 20:56, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Regarding the GTA V transcripts, it's going to be a bit more difficult. The characters constantly taunt their enemies during gunfights, and there are multiple dialogue options (such as when you die, the dialogue's gonna be a bit differnt), and furthermore, there are missions where the dialogue changes depending which missions you completed first. For the multiple options things, we could use tabbers, although I don't know if it's worth keeping the taunting quotes as in some missions they will occupy more than a half of the transcript. 11:02, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Not just GTA V, I played "Off Route" from TLaD last night and Johnny used a variety of quotes. With the HD Universe missions, I'd only quote the dialogue used in cutscenes or when the characters are "passive" (i.e. driving to/from a certain point in the mission), as that dialogue is almost always be the same. SJWalker (talk) 11:10, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with tabs for different quotes and instead of writing all of the taunts, I just wrote what was happening in the mission. You can see this on Sweet & Kendl/Transcript after the Ballas start their drive-by.
- I had started drafting a comment along these lines earlier today but got sidetracked by IRL stuff. There is a lot of dialogue (and even alternate cutscenes) throughout the series but more prevalent in HD universe titles that depends not only on what mission paths you have completed before the current mission, but also what "determinant" decisions you have made. There can also be additional dialogue in GTAV missions depending on which character you are starting the mission with. That's why I'm standing back from this project and I'll leave you guys to deal with the headaches of how to present variable scripts. smurfy (coms) 11:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
- Unless it's part of the script, no taunts. Even if it appears in subtitles, if it's something that constantly appears over and over again (i.e. Niko shouts "motherfuckers" then he has civilized discussion with Roman, LJ, Packie, whatever and then suddenly shouts "motherfuckers" again as he starts shooting at enemies again.).
Calling dibs on LCS and IV 11:38, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
Who changed the theme?
- I don't know, I've been trying to change them back. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 16:26, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Main color was #222222 and buttons were #444444 (luckily I had a page open in another tab) 16:29, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Thank god for that. I've changed it back now. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 16:31, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Anyone notice a change in the source editor? I'm getting highlighted words when I type. Leo68 (talk) 18:18, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- @Leon Davis, I definitely am seeing this. The whole source editor is made up of highlighted words in different colors. () 18:20, March 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- It's the new syntax highlighting. 18:21, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I like it, it's really helpful and makes it look less dull. It also helps to highlight if you've made a mistake. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 18:33, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I love the Source editor code highlighting, just like using Notepad++. I was trying to teach 558050 to use a text editor to highlight nested IF functions in a template this week, this does it for us! (almost) no excuse for missing closure tags now! smurfy (coms) 21:42, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm a bit neutral about this. I like the help with the highlights (shows me where I left out a tag or something) but honestly, it's sometimes more confusing and distracting than text without highlights. 11:40, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
I have noticed that there has been an increased use of chat lately so I was thinking, should we promote 2 or 3 users who aren't already staff members to be chat moderators? I personally think it would be a good idea. What do you guys think? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- Neutral - 20:16, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- No - (talk/stalk/blog) 20:50, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- No Leo68 (talk) 21:06, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- No - SJWalker (talk) 23:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- No - DocVinewood (talk) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
- No - () 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- No - Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 20:11, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
- Most of the times there are people in chat there is at least one patroller/admin in. So I'm not sure we need more. 20:16, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- When the chat is on, usually me, Sam or Smashbro are in the chat, we are chat moderators too. (talk/stalk/blog) 20:50, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- As the others have said, since Patrollers are "security guards", chat moderation would come under "security", which all Patrollers are automatically promoted to. There's no need to create two roles for work which one Patroller can do alone. SJWalker (talk) 23:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think it's necessary, staff members are doing their work already. DocVinewood (talk) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
- Due to me, Andre, and Monkeypolice taking over the Chat, we have the ability to ban and kick troublesome users in chat, which makes giving two new users rollback rights unnecessary. I constantly watch over the chat to make sure everything is running smoothly once I am in it. () 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- Chatmod rights come without rollback rights. The question is about if we should give chatmod status to users that regularly come into chat. Not if we need two more patrollers. 06:49, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
- We have patrollers to do this job, two of which are normally on chat so I'm closing the vote as unsuccessful. Leo68 (talk) 23:22, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
Closed SJ Walker (5) 558050 (3)
As I am now bureaucrat there is a vacancy for my former adminstrator position. 558050 and SJWalker are the most qualified patrollers, due to the fact that two were recently demoted and two are on probation. Set up your votes below. Unlike a request for promotion, you should write the user's name and your signature as opposed to a yes or no.
I'm Sam, I've been a patroller for just over two months. I am still learning my way around in some areas and can occasionally undo correct edits, but I am also quick at spotting vandals, and can give advice to any user who needs it, likewise those who need a "talking to" in certain areas. I try to look at disputes from a netural point of view and listen to both sides before making a decision. I am aware that on occasions I can be seen as "picking on" certain users, but I try and treat everyone equally and attempt to come to a civilised and reasonable conclusion to any disputes. Positive and negative feedback is welcome. Thank you for reading this. Best of luck to 558050 as well. SJWalker (talk) 01:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
Hello, fellow wikia contributors. I have been contributing to this wikia for 17 months by now, almost one year and a half, during this time I acquired a lot of experience editing articles and dealing with other users. My contributions here include the creation of dozens of articles, plus major updates to already existing articles, more recently the online heists pages.
I'm always trying to be friendly with other users and resolve any kind of issue as polite as possible, but I'm not afraid to be a little rough if the situation demands it.
My grammar was improved since my promotion to patroller, so I think that this will not be a problem anymore. Thanks for you attention. Good luck to Sam and goodbye. DLVIIIL Talk 01:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- 558050 - Leo68 (talk) 01:28, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- 558050 - smurfy (coms) 02:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- SJWalker - Mortsnarg (talk) 02:44, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- SJWalker - 06:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- 558050 - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:55, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- SJWalker - DocVinewood (talk) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
- SJWalker - () 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- SJWalker - (talk/stalk/blog) 01:34, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
- I'm undecided at the moment, both Sam and 558 have awesome editing skills, I'll have to think about this for a while before voting. (talk/stalk/blog) 01:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- After hours thinking, I finally decided and my vote goes to Sam, 558 has administrative skills, like asking to rename lots of pages, having a higher knowledge about the series (not to mention that he resurrected the GTA CW mission pages), however, Sam quickly detect sockpuppets and quickly report vandals, which for me is the best point to vote for him, sorry 558, but I can't vote for both. (talk/stalk/blog) 01:34, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Andre. I'm also undecided. Both of you are amazing editors. () 01:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- I had to think about. SJWalker is an excellent editor and is great at cleaning up pages, however, 558050 is more active and has a higher edit counter. SJWalker may have better English, but that is because 558050 is Brazillian. Nothing personal, Sam. Leo68 (talk) 01:28, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- This is difficult. Weighing up who I think would make the best admin right now (558) vs who I think would probably make the better admin in the long term (Sam). Another couple of months and this vote probably would have gone the other way. Whoever "loses" this vote in the end, you are both doing a great job and it will not be a reflection on your capabilities. smurfy (coms) 02:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- This is a tough one! You both are very good editors and I think both of you have made an excellent contributions to the GTA Wiki, but I gotta' pick SJWalker/ Sam on this one. In debates he's always had a good habit of looking at the situation (as he stated himself) with a neutral standpoint that doesn't really pick a "side" until he's seen the two reasons for why or why not. That's a good quality in a person higher up in the commmunity. He also has pretty good grammer and I almost never see mistakes in that area. If there's one thing I think he could improve on, it's looking into something a little more and doing a little more research, but the last time this was a problem was a month or two ago, and that was minor. That isn't to say that 558050 is bad, in fact it's pretty close and I appreciate 558050 just as much, but there can only be one, and that one is SJWalker for the reasons stated. Good luck to both of you! Mortsnarg (talk) 02:44, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- Do we really need to rush on promoting a new administrator?
If it's important, then my vote goes for Sam. Pretty much for the reasons that were alreayd mentioned by Mortsnarg. 06:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- This is a tough choice, I think both deserve the position. I will vote later. DocVinewood (talk) 10:34, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- First of all I agree with Rain, is promoting a new administrator really needed now? In any case, I finally decided to vote for Sam. He spots and reports vandals, cleans up pages, has a very good grammar and is a level-headed person. 558050 is a great editor as well, but sadly I can't vote for both. DocVinewood (talk) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
- No offense to Sam, who is too a great staff member, but I feel 558 is more qualified at this moment in time. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:55, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Rain and Doc, it's not necessary to hurry for a new admin. The wiki can run smoothly with vacant spots, like how it did when me, CJ Jr. and Leon Davis were the only admins. I just feel we need more rules and protections to the Requests for Promotion page so users don't troll and make a request thinking they will get promoted. That other user's request should be deleted. Anyway, since I sadly cannot pick both when both SJ Walker and 558050 do excellent work here, I'd pick Sam for the same reasons as DocVinewood's. () 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- Our new administrator is SJWalker! Leo68 (talk) 01:47, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
Mission Pages Cleanup
A notice to all users; a majority of the mission pages need a major cleanup. The quotes have links, the grammar is poor and the pages are poorly assembled. If you can, check over the pages so that they can be cleaned up. If you don't know what qualifies as a page needing cleanup, add the template so another user can clean up the page. Leo68 (talk) 07:34, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, I noticed that, i'm checking out articles that needs a cleanup, Sam is working on it. (talk/stalk/blog) 14:08, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
Updating policy: Trainers
This has been on my mind for the last couple of days, as I've seen a couple of articles with posts relating to the use of trainers. Since the policy prohibits images of modified vehicles, I think this should be extended to include trainers and modification tools. As Leon clarified for me last night, any information should be related to GTA as Rockstar created it, so any modification or trainer-related posts should be removed. The way I see it, since only stock photos of vehicles are allowed, only information relating to the "stock" game should be included too. I hope I've written this in a way that makes sense, and I'd love to know what you all think about this. SJWalker (talk) 22:07, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
Question - Should we prohibit Mods/Trainers in articles?
- Yes - smurfy (coms) 22:10, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
NeutralYes- (talk/stalk/blog) 22:17, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
- Ofc - 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes- Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 23:59, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
- It gets a little curly when you see what happened after the community split. For a short while, GTAwiki was thought of as the home of modded content. Thankfully that was stopped but there are still remnants scattered throughout the article content. I agree with Leon, the wiki should be "official content only" except for a small number of articles dedicated to Modifications. smurfy (coms) 22:13, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
- This can be a bit rough, some vehicles such as the Andromada, Brickade and FBI Truck can only be spawned with trainers, same with weapons and characters, so I agree to forbid pictures of mods, unofficial content and partially revealed content, but not content (vehicles, weapons and other content) which is in the game, but unavailable without trainers. (talk/stalk/blog) 22:17, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
- They are part of the vanilla game. It's official content. Mentioning that these are spawner mod-exclusives because they were cut is OK. 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
- I see your point there Andre. If the policy is changed, a link could be posted to the GTA Mods Wiki or GTA Fanon Wiki for anyone who wants to add mod-content. I'm probably going to contradict my argument here but a brief sentence explaining they can be spawned via mods would be acceptable, but not to reference specific mods or methods of modding (i.e. tweaking files). If the vehicles are in the files then they still exist in the game, so they technically aren't modded "into" the game because they're already there. SJWalker (talk) 22:27, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
- Exactly, it's acceptable to say that the mentioned vehicles are only obtainable with mods or trainers, but it's unacceptable to say "The Dukes can perform a wheelie, but to do this, you'll need to mod the game". (talk/stalk/blog) 22:39, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes and that's something that I was removing a while ago. The Modifications page has no purpose other than advertising. Saying that the graphics of San Andreas can be improved through modding is completely irrelevant. If anyone want to edit content about mods they should go to the GTA Fanon Wiki. This is GTA Wiki, aka official content, not fan-made content. 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
Media Policy: A New-Look Image Policy
This has been lingering around the wiki for a few days. A policy about uploading videos to the wiki has been suggested by Andre. My idea;
We add info to the image policy about uploading videos and rename it the Media Policy. It will be in one location for users to understand how to add both images and videos here.
- ALL videos must have a clear picture and clean audio.
- All videos must be copyrighted to show who the video belongs to, the video's site and Rockstar Games.
- All videos have to be GTA related.
- Videos MUST NOT violate other policies such as leaked information.
- Videos must have an extra copyright if it features music.
- Yes - Leo68 (talk) 09:02, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - (talk) | (stalk) 11:25, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - (talk/stalk/blog) 13:51, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - SJWalker (talk) 13:55, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 18:03, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
- Yes - smurfy (coms) 21:12, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
- Absolutely, i've seen quite a few pages with videos which contravene these rules. (talk) | (stalk)
- I would add that videos should not contain any form of self-promotion (audio or text) or advertising apart from a watermark (we obviously have to allow this since we are using GTASeriesVideos we can't really say it is prohibited like we do for still images). smurfy (coms) 21:12, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
- The vote is closed and the image policy has been renamed media policy and updated. Leo68 (talk) 02:39, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
Missions in GTA 2
I was just writing this to let you guys know who want to get some edits that most of the missions in GTA 2 still need infoboxes and images. To get the images, watch GTA Series Videos play the mission on Youtube, print screen it while it is saying the mission name and then crop it in an editing application such as Paint.NET. I'm currently doing it as well but I'm going to have to continue tomorrow as I am going shortly.
Also, the missions in GTA 1 are pretty much a lost cause because I can't find videos of the missions anywhere to get images or even an understanding of what happens in the mission. If anyone can do either of these things then that would be great.
Patroller to Administrator Qualification Criteria
A week ago, Leo made an update to the RfP rules to add the probation period for new Patrollers as had been agreed by the Bureaucrats and Admins. At the same time he also changed the line relating to experience required for applicants to the Administrator role.
- "To qualify for administrator rights, editors must have been active for four months with no rules violations."
- — Prior version
- "To qualify for administrator rights, editors must have been active patrollers for four months with no rule violations."
- — Revised version
- "I think you would be best if you ran for Patroller first just to make it "fair" so that you get promoted in the same way as everyone else and then a month or two later you could run for admin."
- — Tom replying to Wildbrick142
As I discussed with Leo at the time, I probably agree with the change (despite it directly impacting my personal agenda), but I don't believe it was an authorized rule update and it should be discussed and agreed by Admin/Bureaucrat staff before being added. Similarly to the Probation discussion, Patrollers and editors should not get a say in this discussion as we would have a vested interest in retaining the status quo. smurfy (coms) 01:43, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
Bureaucrat and Admin only vote
YesNo () 02:00, January 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- No - Jeff (talk·stalk)
- No - Leo68 (talk) 04:37, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- No - Messi1983 (talk) 10:01, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- No - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 15:44, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- No - Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 00:19, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
Discussion (all editors welcome)
- I don't want to just say "if you've been blocked you can never be promoted" because it's not necessary. We've had multiple editors who got blocked, realized that this wasn't one of those online communities that doesn't actually enforce its rules, cleaned up their act and went on to be administrators. If there are outstanding behavior concerns about any editor running for promotion, those concerns should be brought up during the voting - that's what the vote is for in the first place, and that's why it's supposed to last for a week. As for length of time an editor has to be editing to be eligible to promote, I don't have much of a problem with such a thing but I don't really think it's necessary. Lack of being active long enough is always brought up when new editors go for a promotion too soon, and we've also had a couple particularly good editors show up and get promoted more quickly than usual. Basically, I feel it's better to consider every editor individually rather than try to make ironclad rules, because ironclad rules tend to do more harm than good in the long run. Jeff (talk·stalk) 02:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- After reading what McJeff said, I'm on his side. () 02:32, January 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
- Since Jeff is happy to include all editors in the discussion (but not the vote), I would suggest Leo's edit requires a minor semantic change: To qualify for administrator rights, patrollers must have been active for four months with no rule violations. smurfy (coms) 03:02, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree about keeping the "four months as a patroller to become an admin" rule. Experience should be an important aspect to be promoted, and I was never a fan of promoting people who are in the wikia for one or two months just because their edits are good, It makes the promotion seems way too easy and insignificant. Making it take longer not just makes the person who wants to get the promotion work harder, but also make him valorize the position more when he finally get it, with also reduces the chances of him resigning too soom. DLVIIIL Talk 03:19, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- To reitirate. I made an alteration to the admin area as it said Users must have been active for four months. I figured, being a first time users never usually make admin first, they have to become patrollers. I changed the word users to patrollers. I figured it would make more sense. I changed this when I added the information about probationary periods for patrollers to the Requests for Promotion page. If people were confused, tell me, and then if it made more sense then I could have changed it back. I don't think users should be allowed to skip Patroller and make admin. It just can't justified. I also believe we don't need to change anything about administrator rights. I voted no. Leo68 (talk) 04:37, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Man, I really must not have been as clear in the way I had written this out as I thought I was.
- I'm not suggesting I thought the rule wording meant editors could skip the Patroller step, although that was a little ambiguous and probably needed clarifying, as shown by the question Wildbrick posed to Tom.
- Prior to Leo's edit, the way the rule was written and the way I understood it, any Patroller with a total of 4 months editing could have applied for Admin. (e.g. 2 months as editor to qualify for patroller, 2 months as patroller to qualify for admin). After the edit, that was now a total of 6 months "minimum" (e.g. 2 months as editor to qualify for patroller, 4 months as patroller to qualify for admin). That was what the change meant to the rule to me.
- I don't think that there should be a prohibition of not getting promoted if an editor was blocked. Some people who have previously been blocked, learn from their mistakes and work hard to qualify for a staff position. Hence in my opinion their should not be a rule like "If you ever got blocked, you can never be promoted".Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 15:14, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- What everyone said. (talk) 15:17, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Jeff is right. Proof here and here. 15:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- A vote within six monthss is justifiable. We're not going to promote someone who was recently banned, but we're not going to deny previously banned users from applying for promotion. Leo68 (talk) 15:27, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Leo. The applying person should not be banned in last 4 or 6 months.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 15:33, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Jeff. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 15:44, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with Jeff too. Promotions should be considered on an individual basis, as some new users hit the ground running whilst others get into the swing of it gradually. When it comes to patrollers becoming admins, however, I think there should be a minimum amount of time, as the step up is a big one and some sink and others swim. With regards to welcoming back banned members, I think there should also be a minimum amount of time (four months to become patrollers, six to become admins) before they can apply for staff positions as that allows the rest of us to see if they've learnt their lessons. For users like Sasquatch, it's too early for him to be considered again as he's very inactive and we're having to remind him how to behave. I think returning users deserve second chances, but they must be earnt. SJWalker (talk) 15:58, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
- Promotions require special examinations of the users. I agree with Leo. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 00:19, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
Heads up to all the users, XPanetta is going onto other wikis to convince users to un-block him now that Ilan is gone. Ignore him, if the harassment continues, report him to an admin, or if you can block him from the wiki like I have. See the latest log on The Bill Wikia, where I am a Bureaucrat (he has been blocked from said wiki). The first notice was in September, and the most recent was today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon Davis (talk • contribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.
Thanks for the warning Leo. Considering Tom was one of the ones harrassed by X I can't see him unblocking X any time soon, but we'll all keep our eyes open for him. I think eventually Wikia will do an IP block on him if he continues his harrassment and gets blocked from wikis one by one. SJWalker (talk) 16:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
I blocked him a month ago on another Wiki for harassing Smashbro. Ever since he got blocked he has so far only cross-wiki harrassed administrators to get unblocked. I'm thinking about filling a report to Wikia against him. I could read once that harrassment can lead to your account being globally blocked.17:17, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
I don't think our admin cleanout has been that drastic that trolls like this will get away with asking to have well-deserved infinite blocks overturned. His current harrassing and pleading and demanding is no different to what he has been doing constantly since he was first warned here, let alone after his block(s). Wikia staff have told him point blank he deserved the block and he should pull his head in, but he hasn't given up. Eventually I think he will get a global Wikia block. In the mean time, I do feel sorry for those of you who have your other wikia activity advertised in your profiles which makes you potential targets for him. smurfy (coms) 07:50, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
- He messaged me on my talk page on wikianswers. I reverted the edit stating that I do not wish to discuss GTA Wiki on another wiki. If he continues such harrassment I will block him there. Messi1983 (talk) 11:33, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
As I am busy today coupled with what appear to be internet problems (pages that take time to load and etc.), I'm putting here all evidence I could gather regarding XPanettaa harrassing others. If anyone can report him, they must do this through this. One should provide evidence of it as I doubt Wikia staff would deal with someone without proof. If anyone has more evidence of it, post it below.
- XP's thread on Community Wiki: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:740624
- XP's original request to be unblocked to Ilan (at least the only one Ilan replied to): http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ilan_xd#Block
- Ilan's reply to XP with a clear "NO": http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:XPanettaa#RE:
- Harrassment of Smashbro8: http://watchdogs.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:12995 and http://midnightclub.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:4308
- Harrassment of Leon Davis: http://thebill.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:11869
- Harrassment of The Tom: http://mafiagame.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:18856
- Harrassment of Messi1983 mentioned above: http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Messi1983?diff=5935870&oldid=5294604
I'll reply to any questions about it on my talk page.14:19, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
He knows some of us are admins/bureaucrats of other wikis, he will be harrising us as soon as he knows which wiki we run, he has been in multiple wikis, such as the Midnight Club wiki, the Bill wiki, the Watch Dogs wiki, the Red Dead wiki, the Mafia wiki, he didn't attempt to visit my Scarface wiki yet, but i'll not even answer him, he'll be automatically blocked, he and Sean are a pain in the ass. (talk) 15:41, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
Report filed. I have sent a report including the evidence to Wikia, and received an email back saying they will look into the evidence and get back to me within two days if necessary. SJWalker (talk) 15:26, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
I have received an email from the Wiki moderators. Here is the email in full: "Hello, Thanks for contacting us, and apologies for the slow response. I have communicated to XPanettaa that his actions are not reasonable, and that he should desist in his pestering about the block. Hopefully this will have a positive effect. With regards the other user, they do currently have a Wikia-wide block against those accounts - so you shouldn't be continuing to have issues with them. Has there been any recent activity around that? (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:741274#38appears to come a little out of the blue, the previous response being in November). Thanks again for bringing this to our attention, and best regards, George Marbulcanti (Kirkburn) Wikia Community Support" SJWalker (talk)