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This noticeboard is for discussion and voting on changes to the wiki, reporting vandalism and wiki rule breaking, and reporting bad or unfair behaviour from GTA Wiki staff.
 
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Votes for the expiration of a Patroller's probation will also be held here.
   
 
For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
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We currently have a lot of staff so there will be no more Patroller requests for a while. Current Patrollers may request to be promoted to Admin status by voting on the Requests for Promotion Page.
 
   
 
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==Toning Down Obvious Trivial Points==
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'''Please input your new requests above the old ones. That way, we can easily spot it rather than looking for it.'''
I been noticing some pages recently; when pages have Trivia, the trival points they have are so obvious that you can figure it out yourself rather than reading it. Most of the Trivias have points that are like "The sky is blue."  I been thinking: We get all the obvious trivial points and put them on their articles' sections. There is a policy on Wikipedia (and Wikia in general) where Trivia is not allowed, but it's rare to find one on a page because they have points possibly not known to others. I think the Trivia should be reserved for glitches, tips and unnoticed features in a GTA game, not for, "This is the first appearance of Mikhail Faustin." or "The car is unique to the mission".
 
 
[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 01:32, April 17, 2013 (UTC) 
 
 
I agree with using the Trivia section to point out interesting facts such as puns in names (p.e. [[R.C. Hole]]), continuity errors, hidden stuff...
 
 
However, cleaning up ALL of the Trivia sections in articles of this wiki would be hard, time-taking and, therefore non-effective.
 
 
What do you suggest we do, T?
 
 
[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:06, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: I thought about something: We don't have to do it immediately. If we find a page with obvious trivia "facts", just remove them. Let's not start and GTA Wiki-wide clean-up. Just remove some points if we get time.
 
 
: [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 01:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Maybe. What if we separed the articles into "Characters", "Vehicles", "Missions" and "Games" and distribute them by the GTA Wiki Staff?
 
::I think it could work...
 
::[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 09:29, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::Guys, read [[GTA Wiki:Trivia|our policy on Trivia]], which states that you should try and intergrate good trivia points into the article itself first. If there is no room for a trivia point in the article, then it goes on the trivia list. "The sky is blue" trivia points, where you state the obvious, such as "Mikhail is Russian" is discouraged and deleted. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:29, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::Go ahead and start a wiki wide clean up deleting all the "sky is blue" trivia points if you so wish. Be bold when editing :) [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:31, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Ok, let's do this!
 
:::::[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:33, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Dealing with Vandals (For Staff and Current/New Users)==
 
When vandalism is going on, isn't it less necessary to confront the such users and tell them off, especially users with no staff ranks and that are patrollers? During the Joshualeverburg Incidents, staffs and non-staff confronted him and in result/retaliation, got their userspages vandalised, such as [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|M.K.]], [[User:Cloudkit01|Hi-Hi Puffy Bosco]], and [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|myself]]. The average contributors and patrollers should report to an admin/b'crat first rather than acting like an admin or if the admins are active during these incidents, block them immediately. To my sense, if you write to the vandals, telling them to stop, you're more than likely making them say, "What are you going to do about it?", "Ha, Ha" or "I'm going to piss the guy off". I just don't want those vandals coming back attacking the users who told them to stop.
 
 
[[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 01:07, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
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I agree. I also think that most admins and bureaucrats should be online as often as possible because if we remember back to the 22 case, there were no admins online and his vandalism went on for hours until [[User:Ilan xd|Ilan]] finally came on. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 21:01, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
I wasn't active during the Zombie22 Incidents, so I have little knowledge of that. Now that we have five admins, at least one of you guys should check the wiki a couple times a day and always check the Recent WIki Activity page.
 
[[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 21:10, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
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:Read [[GTA Wiki:Vandalism]]. There is a section on how to deal with vandalism. If you come to the conclusion that you need to block a user for vandalism or any other incident, then read [[GTA Wiki:Blocking Policy]]. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:10, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Our '''Do not feed the trolls''' policy is important when dealing with vandals.
 
 
"Everytime we respond to those tryin to ruin the wiki, we are giving them what they want. The more we do that, the more they will be back for more. It's best to be calm, and limit contact with vandals. The less attention they get, the more likely they are to move on. Don't play games with the vandals as this makes it more fun for them."
 
 
See, those are words to live by :) [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:15, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:That was epic :) -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:04, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Read and understood 'em. The "Do not feed the trolls" should be mentioned by any new/normal users should get that memo when they confront the vandal. Like my mom use to say, "Never care for a person if you have no idea of his or her intentions." The care part means anything that you do to the person good. bad or trying to stop his actions, i.e. vandalism. [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 06:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Background==
 
Since there is new artworks for GTA V, is the GTA Wiki background going to change? [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:09, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==With regards to Promotion==
 
Hey guys. When someone usually requests a promotion, the same reason keeps popping up time and time again. "I've been on this wiki for such and such time and have such and such edits"
 
 
Who agrees with me that this has never been a good reason to request promotion and who agrees that it should be stated on our promotion page? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 20:48, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:When I'm promoting someone, I'm most interested in the quality of their contributions, and after that their ability to get along with other users. Linking to work done on another wiki is fine, but saying "I'm a bureaucrat on somesuch wiki" alone doesn't impress me, because Wikia will let anyone found a wiki or adopt an abandoned wiki, and I've met a couple shockingly incompetent bureaucrats. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 23:04, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah quality of edits, if they've helped fight vandalism on the wiki, and their ability to get along with others is things I usually look for too. Not how long they have been editing here, how many edits they have, or even their status on another wiki. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 23:14, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Edit count doesn't mean that much really, I know many users that do a full character biography in one edit, something like that is a lot more impressive than 100 seemingly unnecessary edits. But experience on another wiki, so long as that wiki is of a good quality and they have actually contributed significantly to it, does get taken into account in my eyes. The length of time someone has been around on the wiki doesn't matter to me, if there are big gaps in editing or there edits aren't significant that is. So yes, maybe mention these things on the requests for promotion page. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Featured Article section==
 
Featured articles are a common feature on almost most wikis. Does anyone think we should have a feature article section on this wiki? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:39, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I would love to see a featured article on the wiki. But I would only want it under the GTA games section; not replaceing it. Were "Rockstar Games Twitter" and "Helping Out" is would be a better place for it. I think a Featured Article would be much better than that. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 07:24, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah, same here! I would love having a Featured Article section. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:20, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::Anyone else have any opinions or comments on this? I wonder what Tom and Jeff think. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:25, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::I'm fine with that idea. But if we're going to do something like that we should to have stricter and clearer standards for articles. Official layouts and policies and the like. People usually don't like it when I try to make rules though, I get complaints that I'm making the wiki no fun. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 21:10, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I think a Manual of Style is needed on this wiki. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 21:33, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::I agree with Jeff and Dan, it's a good idea but we could do with a Manual of Style, like Dan said. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::Okay well us three crats all agree on the Manual of Style, so we'll have to start discussing that soon. Does anyone else have any comments on featured articles? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 16:47, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::::::::Yes, will the Featured article be marked with a template, like [[w:c:rockstargames:Edgar Ross|that]], or an 'Era' template (small icons at the top of the page, indicating games/groups/etc related to the page), like [[w:c:assassinscreed:Desmond Miles|that]]? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:58, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::::Just an aside, I'm going away for about a week (give or take a couple days) for Christmas so I'll likely not be responding to this for a while... on the other hand I might end up with hours per day on my hands and put in some actual work on this place. But if I do go quiet that's why. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 03:34, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I say we leave the discussion until after Christmas as I'll be busy over the holiday period aswell. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 04:26, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::I think this discussion should begin again. The featured articles are also on the Red dead Wiki and they seem good on there, so I also think it's a good idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 20:09, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::We have the featured articles section, but it's been sticky on the ambulance for a long time. It would be nice if it changed only a weekly or bi-weekly rotor. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::We can delete this section and make a new one. Also, a weekly rotor is such an annoying thing, as it would eventually repeat itslef too much. I prefer promoting articles to a "featured status" and then just show them 'randomly' each time when a user views the main page, like [[w:c:maxpayne|this one]]. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 09:23, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I like the sound of that. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 10:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Wiki Reconstruction==
 
I say we should bring to the wiki back to life a little bit. We are one of the best wikis, but we lack of new users (50 a month isn't that good). Here are my ideeas:
 
*Adding a new background (GTA V themed).
 
*Based on the color of the background, we should change the wiki skin color.
 
*Re-writing the main article and making it more friendly for new users.
 
*Adding "featured articles" and polls.
 
 
Of course, this shouldn't happen that fast, but with GTA V on the way, we might catch some new users. We want them to stay, no? <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span>
 
 
   
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==Probation Expiry: [[User:Camilo Flores|Camilo Flores]]==
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'''''Closed as successful by''''' [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 19:50, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
   
:I do agree with you on most things but GTA isn't really the most brightest game so, I don't think changing the Wikis skin colour will do much but the other ideas are good. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 20:23, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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Leave votes below for the probation expiry of Camilo Flores (Admins and bureaucrats only. Patrollers and non-staff can still leave comments).
:All those things sound good, espesially "featured articles". The only thing I don't agree with is changing the wiki's background. Great ideas!  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:03, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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===Votes===
:What this wiki needs is a GTA V background image. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 05:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 17:39, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
:: We should definetely change the Main Page. It looks "old". <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span>
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*Neutral - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
::: Something with all the three protagonist or a view of Los Santos would be nice. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 09:23, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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===Comments===
::::Yeah, that'd be nice. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 09:51, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*A brilliant editor, corrections are almost faultless. He deserves his spot, as he his kind, friendly and non-argumentative. Nothing much else to say! ''' '''{{Monkeypolice188/Sig}}''' '''18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
:::::The main page is fine as it is. It's the background image that needs changing. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:40, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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**Monk, patrollers can't vote, so you'll have to remove your vote. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 17:44, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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***Yeh, I just realized. I removed the vote, but I'll keep my comment. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|50px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|35px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 17:48, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*Cam's handled the step up well. No real problems to report. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*Cam surprised me, I didn't expect him to be such an awesome patroller during his probation. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 17:53, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*It's too early but two days will not change my opinion, Camilo has improved on probation and is up to the job. Yes from me. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*Camilo definitely deserves the spot to me. He has improved tremendously on his probation. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*Cam is always improving himself every day, so why not retaining as a patroller? He will definitely make good use of his tools. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#DBA901">My</span><span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span>]]) 09:47, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*As far as general patrolling duties, he's doing fine. As a contributor, the language barrier is still a problem. I started keeping track of the poor grammar edits but gave up when the list became too long. The grammar is still "Google Translate" level and is the sort of thing a patroller should be fixing, not causing. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
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*He needs to improve his grammar, but I'm sure he will work to overcome this issue. Except that, I agree with most of you and think he's proven he's ready to be a patroller. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
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==Probation Expiry: [[User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188]]==
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'''Closed''' as <font color="green">Probation Successful</font> by [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 16:41, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
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Leave votes below for our latest probation expiry, for Monkeypolice188.
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===Votes===
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*'''Yes'''- [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:22, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 21:49, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 22:03, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 22:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:15, June 13, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
   
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===Comments===
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*Monk had a few issues when he joined, which were ironed out before his promotion, a reason why he is on probation. If you ask me they are an issue of the past now and he has gotten over them. He is a much better user and has been working well in his role as Patroller. A yes from me. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:22, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with Leo, he had some problems at first but he has gotten better and I feel that he deserves to keep the position. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 21:49, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Monk deserves the position, he knows and enforces the policies and is one of the most active editors here. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 22:03, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Had a minor indiscretion with WildBrick and Rain last week (which he apologised to both users for) but in the grand scheme of things a relatively isolated incident which shouldn't overshadow the whole three months, as he's ironed out the early teething troubles. Probation worked for Andre and it's worked for Monk. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 22:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Monk had some relapses here and there during his probation, but who doesn't get carried away sometimes? He apologized and learned from his mistakes, he will make a good patroller. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 01:37, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*A good chatter, editor and rollbacker, of course he deserves to be a patroller. Since votes are limited to admins and b'crats, I shall not vote. However, it will definitely be a yes from me. :) [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#DBA901">My</span><span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span>]]) 06:02, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Not a fan of his attitude at times, mine isn't any better either, but he usually does a great job (finding all top speeds, acceleration times, etc. is an example) so I wouldn't say no if I were allowed to vote. I believe he can improve a lot as a full patroller. The only problem I really have with him is that he, sometimes, is disputing facts but other than that I don't see much reasons for him not to become a patroller.<br />Off topic: 558050, patrollers are not allowed to vote on users on probation so you'll have to remove your vote. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 10:33, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Patroller vote removed (thanks for pointing that out Wildbrick). [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Been giving this a bit of though all day. I'm wary of throwing stones from a particularly fragile glasshouse here, but have to point out that this has been far from a blemish-free period of probation and another case is ongoing right now with the [[Osiris]]. I'm not sure he is learning from his mistakes as much as has been suggested. '''However''', with that said, I don't think the battles he's been involved in over the last few months should prevent the transition from probationary to patroller just because he's been on the wrong side of a few and has taken a while to back down. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*I'd just like to say, thanks guys for being there for me and giving me the chance to show my real self. I may not of been the best of probational patrollers on record (probably the worst, come to think of it), but I really will try to improve my decisions (that's my real fault, I make the wrong choices here, and make everything seem bad), and if that means me having to get told off or avoid making choices all together, well so be it. I really can be a good patroller, and I'll do my best to prove it, after all I am one of the most active users on this wiki, so I really can get a lot done in a short space of time, whether that's article edits, minor correction, talk pages and user talk pages, I will do whatever I can to improve this wiki. Thank you guys! {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 11:14, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sorry to be late but you definitely deserve to keep your spot Monk. You've had trouble on this wiki when you first started but like 558 said, almost everybody did, including me. What matters most is that you improved from your warnings and kept doing what you are doing. Now, you are one of the most active patrollers here and use your tools very well. You have greatly improved and I am proud of you. Keep it up. A "Yes" from me. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:15, June 13, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*I've seen his contributions and his handling of his patroller spot and I'm impressed, but as all first time staff members (including myself), we have our hiccups every now and then and he seems to learn from his mistakes. Monkeypolice earns the right to be regarded as an official patroller here on GTA Wiki. -[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]
   
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==Notification - Infobox Beta redesign for mobile compatibility==
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See [[GTA Wiki:Community Noticeboard/Mobile Infobox Project|the project page]].
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Anyone wanting to learn the new markup for infobox design is welcome to observe and possibly participate, the project is not limited to staff only. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 13:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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==Sliders on infoboxes==
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[[User:AndreEagle17|I]] was talking to [[User:WildBrick142|WildBrick]] about the [[Marshall]] infobox, as we can see, there's a slider which changes the main picture every second, so I asked him about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple generations, he disagreed because it's too simple to add sliders, instead it's better to keep two images separete, however, he agreed that vehicles with multiple liveries should have sliders, such as the many [[Burrito]]s, the many [[Boxville]]s and the [[Hotring Racer]]s. It would make much more simple than a text on the description and the many gallery pictures, so I had to post this on the noticeboard, what do you think about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple liveries?
   
:Ok, Messi. I thought I could help, but I can't test backgrounds since I'm not an Admin. We might have to wait for someone with experience in making backgrounds. Any ideeas who could be? Maybe a Community Wikia staff? <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] <sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Tal </span>''</sup></span>
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===Votes===
:[[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:33, April 1, 2013 (UTC) 
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 15:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''<s>No</s>''' '''Yes '''- [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 17:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:JohnSignature.jpg|200px|link=User talk:JohnnyD-the-VGNerd]] 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*On Hold - pending compatibility/rendering issues. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Approve '''
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 11:52, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
:Changing the backround to a backdrop of Los Santos would be a great face lift for the wiki. The wiki skin should stay dark though. 
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===Comments===
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*Wildbrick's right. Unless there's tonnes of different liveries (like the Marshall), I really don't think a slider is needed. I think it's best to either put the unique variants in the infobox (eg, Post Op Livery), or put the different regular liveries in a gallery "variant" section (eg, the Mule's different liveries). [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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**But that's my point, if the vehicle has dozens of liveries, we add sliders, like I said, for the Burritos, Boxvilles and Hotring Racers. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 16:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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***As I said, I don't think there's enough of those liveries to put in the infobox as a slider. Look, there's 25 different liveries for the Marshall, and only 3 (in two games) liveries for the Hotring Racer. I still think it would only be usefull for things that have more than 10 liveries. Putting sponsors or company liveries (found on trucks) in the infobox as a slider might work however, it depends how many there are to me. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 16:29, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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****Just understood what Andre and Wild meant, I always get so confused as they right so much in such large pieces of text. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 19:46, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*To clear some things up; The slider is only for liveries. Vans or trucks that have different company on them. Vehicles and their generations are split as normal if it's a different model name and share the same in-game name. Boxvilles would stay the same with the exception of LSDWP and LSDS Boxvilles as they are the same model but different liveries.<br />[[Template:Infobox Tester]] has the [[Burrito]] page with how the infobox would look like (ofc. changes will be made because even though the snowy one is a different model name, it appears only once ever which means it's better suited for Variants section - for same reason Humane Boxville is not included in the infobox). The slider still needs fixing though because it displays unused ones (as you can see on the page). [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*The slider for multiple liveries will keep the galleries cleaner but as for multiple generations, no, we have the second image for that. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 17:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*I think we could use the slider for multiple liveries and also for vehicles with different Universe designs ([[Perennial]], [[Intruder]], etc), although I'm probably in the minority here. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*I wouldn't say you stand alone, if it's a car like the Perennial, the Manana or something that vastly changed between 3D and HD Universe I'd be inclined to agree with you. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*Yes please, the [[Boxville]] page definetely need one of those. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*The page may very messy without this, due to the number of pictures in the gallery. The slider will also make the infobox more informative. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
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*This is an excellent idea especially when it comes to vehicles with a lot of variants or liveries. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*This needs to happen. I really hate to scroll all the way to the bottom from a single page, just to look at its variants. Its a massive chore. [[File:JohnSignature.jpg|200px|link=User talk:JohnnyD-the-VGNerd]] 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*As documented on the Marshall [[Talk:Marshall|talk page]], the slideshow does not currently render in MonoBook wiki layout. This might be something we can fix under the hood but until then, we should not be rolling this out to any other page. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*I think sliders for liveries is a good idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
:If the wiki is going to have a new background it should be the new protagonists. Like how the wiki currently has the IV Era protags. Not Los Santos.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 02:16, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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==Sockpuppetry==
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'''Resolved''' = Obvious sockpuppet blocked. Closed by [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
::Agreed. Well if someone can make a background image, then I'll change it. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 02:42, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
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Ok, so, we had a [[User:DomWoody|user]] vandalize many staff member user pages, and vandalize articles a while back. It appears we have a sockpuppet[[User:Domwoodygaming|: Domwoodygaming]].
:::I have photoshop, but I'm not used to it. I think we will have to ask someone from the Community Wiki?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
   
::::Well, who made the current background? [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 08:57, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
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It is almost certainly them, given the name is exactly the same, bearing only the "gaming" attachment. This was made shortly before they started vandalizing other pages on their original account, suggesting they were planning on vandalizing pages and trying to get banned, and had another account ready for when they got banned.
::::::I am probably not meant to be posting here, but the background was made by [http://gta.wikia.com/User:JoePlay JoePlay].[[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=w:c:wildonesgame:User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=w:c:wildonesgame:Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:01, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Since everybody seems to agree that the new protagonists should be the background, shall I post a request to Wikia? First we should probably decide on an image for them to use. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 16:48, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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[[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 20:55, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
:[[:File:The Trunk-GTAV.jpg]] and [[:File:Trevorfranklinmichael-GTAV.jpg]]. Can't think on other backgrounds than those. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 18:01, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
::On the left side a photo of Trevor in "The Trunk", and on the other side Franklin's in the second picture Ilan shown. And the background (of the background, lol) to have the skyline of Los Santos.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*The "sockpupet" account created and edited his own user page, just before the original accout started to vandalize. All edits were made on one single day! However, just to be sure, it's best to keep an eye on the sockpuppet account first, as he had not made any edits since the original account had been blocked, as of yet, and this may need more evidence to proof that both accounts were sockpuppets. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#DBA901">My</span><span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span>]]) 22:44, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
:::I think just using the second image would be better, Trevor and Michael on either side. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 19:36, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Reports of this nature need to be made to Admin/Bureaucrat staff, not made on the community noticeboard. This is an obvious sockpuppet account and has been blocked. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
:::I was thinking that this wiki could be bright like GTA V. Having The GTA V cover or All Three Protagonists in the background image and having the colors being bright like the game looks. That would be great. [[User:Matt Seay|Matt Seay]] ([[User talk:Matt Seay|talk]]) 21:24, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
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==Use of the "Deceased" symbol==
::::I'm not really sure how having all three would work, making two smaller and having them on one side would look a bit off. As would having a transparent background. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 08:43, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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Symbol use in infoboxes approved, DECEASED- Skull, INCARCERATED- Handcuffs
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DETERMINANT- Question Grave. Vote closed by [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
::::Yes this true, I guess just the Game Cover Art would be good. I mean technocaly GTA IV has 3 protags, and only two are on the background. I am more in favor of the cover art being the background but I want something that is kind of generic for the new game. [[User:Matt Seay|Matt Seay]] ([[User talk:Matt Seay|talk]]) 02:09, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
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Four users ([[User:SJWalker|myself]], Sean, Marcus and RainingPain) have been discussing how to list characters as deceased in various sections (members, relatives etc.) of infoboxes. One case is character templates, where deceased characters have been identified with a crucifix (†) symbol. As Sean points out, they make the page look cleaner, but they can also impose religious connotations on others, which may not be appropriate on some pages. Since we all have varying opinions on how this should be identified, Sean suggesting setting up a community vote, so here we go:
   
==Help from the [http://es.gta.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Theft_Encyclopedia Spanish GTA Wiki]==
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In infobox sections (such as relatives, members etc), should deceased characters be identified in '''Written''' form, or through the use of a '''Symbol'''?
   
So, I talked to this Staff member, who apparently is talented in coding and is also a GTA fan. His name is [http://es.gta.wikia.com/wiki/Muro:Bola Bola].
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===Votes===
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*'''Symbol '''- [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*Symbol -[[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 21:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*'''Symbol (deathmatch marker) ''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Written''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Written''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''<s>Written</s>''' '''Symbol - '''{{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 20:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 22:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
He agreed to help us. But first we will have to decide the background(s). Sincerely, I don't want anymore protagonists' faces looking at me all-day long.
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===Comments===
I thought of using this:
 
   
[[File:BeautifulSunset-GTAV.jpg|200px]]
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*I think the crucifix means more of religion than death, but I think it should be added to a character's relative who is dead, like [[Packie McReary]], in the ''relatives'' section of his infobox, there should be; [[Derrick McReary]]†, but in the status section, it's better if we write ''Deceased''. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**The relatives etc. section was the section we were discussing Andre. If you look on the Lost MC page, the members section in the infobox uses the crucifix. I'll re-word the statement to make it clearer. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 14:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*If the crucifix is such a problem, I may come up with a skull icon. That one wouldn't have any religious connotation whatsoever. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Good idea Rain. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*We are living in an era where everyone can look at a symbol, a opinion or a idea and immediately feel ofended by it. If anyone look at that crucifix and say that we are imposing religious believe on him, I would say to him shut up and grow a pair, the crucifix is a universal symbol of death, on the context of the page it has nothing to do with religion, get over with. If anyone see religious symbolist on the crucifix is because they want to. The last thing I want right now, is to see this site bend over this ridiculous politically correct bullshit that have been plaguing the media for the past years.
   
Also, I tought of having a header like on tha Spanish wiki. You know, the navigation thingy with On The Wiki, GTA Games, GTA Info, Community. Maybe we could use the Skyline in this picture:
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*Besides, writing ''deceased'' on everything is ugly, and as Sean said, the crucifix makes it seem more clean. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
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**Understood now, changed my vote. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*What if deceased was identified as the word deceased but written in the color red.along with the crucifix {{userlinks|TevanoRCMP}}
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**Won't solve the issue. Just make the infobox look even worse than right now. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 15:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*The symbol works in the character templates and it will work in the infoboxes. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*Seeing how the odds of my suggestion wont look good I am voting as symbol. I would hate to see the cruucifix to go away [[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 16:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*Since I am a Christian, I can say that the symbol we use is based on the "Cross", which Jesus was hung on, along with what we wear on jewelry for "protection". However, adding the cross symbol to mean deceased is not a good idea, since most editors here are atheists and therefore do not believe in any religion. Still, I'd go for the symbol since it makes the pages look cleaner. As Rain said, a skull symbol is more understanding and less argumentive of a topic than the use of the cross symbol. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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**So what if most editors are atheists? The cross is there to symbolize that the character is dead, not that he was christian or anything like that. If most editors here are atheists, thats their problem. Hell, DocVinewood is atheist and he doesn't care about this. The way that we edit the wikia shouldn't be a reflex of the staff religious beliefs.- [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***Well, I believe that the cross isn't a good symbol to use. As WildBrick said, it can offend some users. Plus a Cross isn't used in reality to define a dead character at all. Also, you misread what I was saying. I didn't say that the Cross meant characters were Christians, but that the Cross isn't a good symbol to use for everyone. We have religious and non-religious editors here. A better symbol to use is a skull, which makes more sense and is a less argumentative topic. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:47, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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****This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality I was arguing against in my first comment, this whole "some people might get offended by it!", fuck this people! No seryously, fuck then. If these people can't see pass their religious beliefs, then they might as well stay away from the internet as a whole. Changing the way we operate things just because some small amound of people are too simple minded to accept that others can have different opinions of the world as they is bullshit, plain and simple. And I say this as a catholic myself. And the cross can have tons of different meanings depending of with person you ask for, the most common meaning is the christian one: death and ressurection, DEATH and ressurection.- [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with 558. The crucifix is an universal symbol and everybody knows what it means, there is no need to change it. I'm an atheist and I don't have any problem with it, nor I'm offended in the slightest. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*<nowiki>True as i don't see how the crucifix could offend anyone and well said Doc if it ain't broke don't fix it. ~~~~</nowiki>
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*Probably gonna be alone on this one but, yeah, written.<br /><br />First, the crucifix is mostly used as a symbol of christianity. Many people have different opinions of it whether it's good or bad. Not everyone might understand this though which can cause confusions. Remember, we live in a world filled with different opinions and religions which means some people will get offended by it and some won't. Some mightn't even know what that logo/symbol means (there are people like that) which will cause confusion and distrubance.<br /><br />Second. Cleaner yeah, effortful nah. The reason why I'm against this is because there isn't a point to these. "<small>(deceased)</small>" does the job just fine. It does not make the infobox ugly and it does give some bit of information. Unless you're using a 800x600 CRT (probably there are no issues even with that), there is absolutely no problems with it. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? Also how hard is it to type out "<nowiki><small>(deceased)</small></nowiki>"? It's no different than looking for and copy-pasting logos. It actually shows some effort put into the page instead of "here, have a random logo - I hope you understand 'cause you gotta find out things by yourself". If we're gonna use a logo to "explain" things, we might as well change all templates into pictures and put everything into abbreviations example being: "TA is a 2-door sc feat. in GTAV & GTAO." <small><small><small><small>(imaginary cookies for whoever actually knows what page's description I shortened like that)</small></small></small></small> I mean it makes the intro for the page cleaner and does give somewhat understandable information. It also doesn't need as much effort as writing the whole thing out so why not?<br /><br />Third, as said, the "<small>(deceased)</small>" does the job just fine. Are we really gonna waste so much of our times to swap everything with a logo? Nobody ever complained about the use of "<small>(deceased)</small>" then someone (don't remember who, I just remember seeing it on wiki activity) pointed out "it makes it cleaner" and suddenly ''everyone'' started losing their mind. Hundreds of pictures are uncategorized, hunderds of pages are stubs or are broken due to changes with whatever, hundreds of useless redirects are on the wiki, hundreds of old templates incompatible with the new design are not fixed... yet noone cares. Nodoby mentiones a thing about these and then suddenly we get a full-blown discussion about whether actual text should be replaced with some logo. Has logic taken a 180 degree turn or something? Even if this idea comes to pass, do we ''need'' to make such a silly issue our top priority?... especially when there actual issues around the wiki? [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Disagree, and i'll use your words: The crucifix does a fine job either, you can see that it works well on other wikis. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***"''Disagree''" Explain why?<br />"''you can see that it works well on other wikis''" Examples on wikis that noone (who supports the symbol) from GTA Wiki edited on? [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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****[[w:c:thelastofus:Henry|Look at this infobox here.]] For me it looks good. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*****[http://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Henry?diff=prev&oldid=45378 Added by an IP address] and you are also editing on this wiki. Fair enough though.<br />Still, "Sam (brother) † " doesn't look that clean to me. Words in bracket and then a symbol, it makes the little character description inconsistent. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:31, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**I think the cross looks nice, look at this [[w:c:godofwar:Kratos|page]] for example, can you imagine how that infobox would look if they put ''deceased'' after every single character? It would look polluted as hell, the cross occupies less space and does the job just fine. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***That's a lot of family members. Anyway, that list and descriptions after it wouldn't look as polluted if bullet points wouldn't be used and the description text would have "<nowiki><small></nowiki>" tags.<br /><br />Valid link and point though, it seems like the symbols were used on that page all the way back in 2010. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*I've thought about it and decided to stick with it in written form. As an athiest I have no opinion on the meaning of the crucifix as it does not offend me in any way, I just think that writing <small>"Deceased"</small> is much clearer and in my opinion makes little/no difference to the layout of the infobox. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*<s>Not everyone can understand symbols, that's all I have to say. I agree with Wild and Sam.</s> Just saw Rain's skull idea. Changed my vote, symbols are always identifiable when it comes to death :P. {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 20:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)18:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*It does seem neater when using the symbol, as the written one may occupy some space in the infobox. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 22:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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{{Infobox gang
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|name = {{Flagicon|United States of America|Flag of the United States}}<br/>The Lost
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|image = The_Lost_Insignia.png
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|game = IV
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|game2 = TLAD
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|game3 = TBOGT
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|game4 = CW
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|game5 = V
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|game6 = O
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|locations = [[Acter]], <br>[[Normandy]],<br>[[Tudor]]<br>[[Alderney]]<br>[[Broker]], [[Liberty City (HD Universe)|Liberty City]]<br>[[East Vinewood]], [[Los Santos (HD Universe)|Los Santos]]<br>[[Stab City]]<br>[[Grand Senora Desert]]<br>[[Hookies]], [[North Chumash]]<br>[[Grapeseed]], [[Blaine County]]
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|leaders = Liberty chapter:<br>[[Billy Grey]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (formerly)<br>[[Johnny Klebitz]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (formerly)<br>Los Santos/Blaine County chapter:<br>[[Johnny Klebitz]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (formerly)<br>[[Al Carter]]
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|type = Outlaw Motorcycle Club
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|enemies = [[The Angels of Death|Angels of Death MC]]<br>[[Pegorino Family]]<br>[[Algonquin Triads]]<br>[[The Commission]]<br>[[Hillside Posse]]<br>[[Russian Mafia]]<br>[[Albanians]]<br>[[Trevor Philips]] [[File:DeterminantCharacterBlip-GTAV.gif|16px|The fate of this character is determined by player choice|link=Category:Determinant Characters]]<br>[[Trevor Philips Enterprises]]<br>[[Jeremy Biker Gang]]<br>[[Varrios Los Aztecas (HD Universe)|Aztecas]]<br>[[The Families]] <small>(GTA Online)</small><br>[[Madrazo Cartel]]<br>[[Los Santos Vagos (HD Universe)|Los Santos Vagos]]
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|affiliations = [[Uptown Riders]]<br>[[Elizabeta Torres]] [[File:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]<br>[[Gunthugs MC]]<br>[[Niko Bellic]]<br>[[Petrovic Bratva]]<br>[[Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers]]<br>[[Los Santos Vagos (HD Universe)|Los Santos Vagos]] <small>(formerly)</small><br>[[Trevor Philips Enterprises]] <small>(formerly)</small>[[The Professionals]] <br>[[Ballas]]
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|colors = Black
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|colours = Black
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|cars = [[Hexer]]<br>[[Lycan]]<br>[[Revenant]]<br>[[Diabolus]]<br>[[Innovation]] <small>(TLAD)</small><br>[[Deamon]]<br>[[Hellfury]]<br>[[Zombie]]<br>[[Bagger]] <small>(only in [[The Underbelly Of Paradise]])</small><br>[[Slamvan]] <small>(TLAD & GTAO)</small><br>[[Duneloader]]<br>[[Gang Burrito]]<br>[[Maverick]]<br>[[Lectro]]
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|weapons = [[Baseball Bat|Bat]]<br>[[Knife]]<br>[[Pistol]]<br>[[Combat Pistol]]<br>[[Automatic 9mm]]<br>[[Pump-Action Shotgun]]<br>[[Sawn-off Shotgun]]<br>[[Assault Shotgun]]<br>[[Micro-Uzi]]<br>[[Assault Rifle]]<br>[[Carbine Rifle]]<br>[[MG]]<br>[[Minigun]]
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|businesses = Drug trafficking<br>Hijacking<br>Illegal racing<br>Armed robbery<br>Arms trafficking<br>Prostitution<br>Methamphetamine production<br>Contract Killing<br>Heists
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|fronts = [[Acter]] clubhouse<br>[[The Range]]<br>[[East Los Santos (HD Universe)|East Los Santos]] clubhouse<br>[[Hookies]]<br>[[Grapeseed]] ranch<br>The Motor Hotel
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|members = [[Billy Grey]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (Formerly)<br>[[Johnny Klebitz]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Jim Fitzgerald]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Brian Jeremy]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (Formerly)<br>[[Terry Thorpe]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Clay Simons]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Angus Martin]]<br>[[Jason Michaels]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Lil' Joe]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Lost MC Lady]] [[File:MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown.png|20px]]<br>[[Earl]]<br>[[Horse]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Dave Grossman]]<br>[[Ashley Butler]][[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Leila Sharpe]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Murphey]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Henry]] [[File:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]<br>[[Jose (TLAD)|Jose]]<br>[[Moose]] [[File:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]<br>[[Wyatt]]<br>[[Dirty Sue]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Al Carter]]
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*Wow, the feeling was stronger than I had anticipated. Always risky touching on a personal space like religion in a forum such as this. As you may have read, I do have a problem with the symbolism of any one religious denomination being accepted as a "default" for something as universal as death. Much like Wildbrick, I don't think this needs to be a high priority. I do like the '''idea of using a symbol''' in list fields (not to be used by itself in the individual's ''status'' field as has already been pointed out), but I don't think it should be a cross. That could just as easily be interpreted as indicating a character's faith, rather than their live or dead status. Do a [https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=death+symbol&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZlBJVYjUBKS1mwXblIDQAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=758 Google Image search for Death Symbol], the first results are all skull and crossbones style images. So is <big><big>&#9760;</big></big> any better? [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Good point, I feel like this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, so yeah, the crucifix suits more the deceased, as most graves are given a crucifix on top of them. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 00:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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***I think you've missed  most of the point.  "most graves are given a crucifix". No, many '''Christian''' headstones use a cross which symbolises the religious denomination of the deceased party. Less than 1/3rd of the worlds population is Christian. It is the most geographically widespread (we won't go into the reasons for that) but Christians are still far-outnumbered by non-Christians. Just beacause the majority of the active editors on this particular wiki are from Western nations that are predominantly Christian, doesn't mean we have to impose the Christian view of the world on everyone else. 60% of the world population does NOT identify a Crucifix as being a recognisable symbol of death, they recognise it through western media forcing it down their throats that it is a Christian symbol (and some of them are intolerant enough to be offended by it, but that is irrelevant to this argument). I'm not saying we have to be strictly secular, but where we '''can''' avoid it, we should do so. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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****I don't think you got that right, what I meant is that '''most of the graves''' uses a crucifix, and that this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, last but not least, what else would mean death on the infobox? I have seen many symbols and none of them fit better in this case than a crucifix, but sure, I understand that some users will understand that as a religious image, overall, I actually agree with you. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 01:12, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*Should characters in "determinant" be represented as ''italics'' in the infobox sections, or represented as another symbol? [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 08:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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**Maybe an interrogation symbol or something like that. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 14:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*After looking at this hot debate going on about what symbol to use, I'll just stay out of it. But a symbol in general is good. [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
I don't know, but we must take a decision, since Bola is ready to help us.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
   
:The skyline one is definitely more user-friendly. The bikini girl background would make the wiki more or less unusable for anyone who wanted to look at it at school or work, and I can imagine female editors not really caring for it too. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 18:49, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::The girl won't appear on the header, only the skyline beside her will do. Like this on the Spanish wiki:
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*Maybe instead of using using crucifixes and all that, how about something GTA-themed for GTA Wiki? Epsilon logo/HUD icon, GTA V rampage logo/HUD icon, 3D Era rampage, etc. There is a nice amount of things to choose from that we could use. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 15:10, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
[[File:Sp_Wiki_Header.png|300px]]
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**I like this idea. But how would that work? The rampage skull for deceased characters and this interrogation symbol ([[File:MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown.png|20px]]) for determinant characters? - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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***I found this: [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px]]. It's the deathmatch marker from GTA Online. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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****558 and Rain showed the best icons, now we don't need the crucifix anymore, who else agrees? [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 17:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*****I agree too. Also image icons are good since you can make it show the text when you hover over them (unlike acronym which does the same but adds the underline) so that's a nice compromise.<br /><br />For determinant characters, I could make IV's/V's red/blue flashing blip (the one that appears on characters where you have to make a decision) as an icon. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 20:52, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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******Now that we have the icons, here's what I suggest on how to use them. We would make a template called "Status" and it would work as the following:<br /><code><nowiki>{{Status|D1}}</nowiki></code> produces [[File:MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown.png|20px|The fate of this character is determined by player choice|link=Category:Determinant Characters]]<br /><code><nowiki>{{Status|D2}}</nowiki></code> would produce [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br />Just my idea. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 21:08, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*******I gotta say, that's a genial idea, if the voting is closed as ''symbol'' then we should use it, it looks much better than the cross and the skull, the images may also display a caption saying "deceased" or "determinant" for users who have no idea of what it means. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 22:21, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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(reset indent) - Tested with The Lost MC infobox >>>
   
I agree with Jeff.
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I don't like the Interrogation mark, to me that indicates uncertainty whether the listing should be there, not determinant character, although the mouse-over tip helps. I think the "flashing decision" icon as proposed by WildBrick would be better. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 22:33, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
I don't, but if I happened to visit the wiki at school, it wouldn't be easy to explain that good-looking girl in the background...
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**The interrogation mark could be used on characters whose status is currently ''unknown'', such as [[Donald Love]], by the way, some characters status is ''incarcerated'', ([[Hsin Jaoming]] and [[Gerald McReary]] for example) what symbol should we use on those kind of status? How about a badge symbol? Like this one ([[File:LCPD-GTA4-logo.png|20px]])? - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 03:37, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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*Maybe the symbol of the [[Bolingbroke Penitentiary]] or other known prison, the LCPD logo is more likely to say that the character is a cop. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 14:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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**Deteminant blip: [[file:DeterminantCharacterBlip-GTAV.gif|16px]] (if someone could remove the white outline, it'd be great. Photoshop is absolute shit when it comes to gifs, I'm not even sure why Adobe added that "feature"). Also V has an unused handcuff blip ([[file:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]) that could be used for arrested characters. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 15:28, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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***I know how to do a gif using photoshop, the problem is my PC, anyway, look at the infobox now. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 15:36, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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****The flashing red and blue blip doesn't really show a character is determinant at all.I agree that 558's question mark blip should be used for unknown status characters and that the handcuff blip could be used for incarcerated characters, but the flashing red and blue blip doesn't speak for itself. It appears to me as if also the character is either a cop, or is incarcerated. Not to be difficult, but I'd suggest using a different icon for a determinant character. Maybe a cross between life and death (not the cross symbol)? [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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****Added the "incarcerated" symbol for [[Elizabeta Torres|Elizabeta]]. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 02:24, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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*The skull icon should be used for deceased, handcuffs for incarcerated but as for determinant, that still needs to be determined. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*For those who are interested, I've made the template. It's called [[Template:Status]]. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 08:34, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*Made [[File:GTADet.png]] quickly in GIMP for Determinant. Original image is taken from one of those stock image sites where everything is fair use, I just made it transparent. [[User:ToJ|ToJ]] ([[User talk:ToJ|talk]]) 08:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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**Looks like a pretty good symbol, I don't think that theres any type of symbol that users can look at it and immediatly think: "this character's fate is determinent", so this one should do the job. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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{{Clr}}
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*Update, all three symbols are now able to be used in infoboxes, the skull for deceased, the handcuffs for incarcerated and the questioned grave for determinant. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:27, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
The skyline background doesn't bring any heat, haha.
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==[[Lifeinvader]] Profiles==
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'''''Closed as '''''Tabbed (9) Flat (0) [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:16, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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Update: As per the vote, I will continue development using the tabbed version and won't be trying too hard to get it looking perfect on mobile at the expense of visual or functional quality on a fully rendered browser. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
::Skyline one looks best I think. Bikini one is good for a male audience, but females play GTA too. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 22:54, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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I've been doing a bit of work this weekend building a [[Template:Infobox Lifeinvader|template]] to replicate the GTA V in-game Lifeinvader profiles. The intent is to include this template on any character that has a [[Lifeinvader]] page in-game. This will also automatically include them in the [[:Category:Lifeinvader|new category]] I have also added.
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[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Stalking_Page.png|thumb|500px|center|Sample of actual in-game Lifeinvader page]]
   
'''EVERYONE LISTEN:''' the girl won't appear on the wiki, only the skyline beside her will be the header. And the other picture will be the background. So, let's decide already. Am I telling to Bola?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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The template, as it stands at the moment, fairly closely replicates the look of the in-game page, with the Friends list page open displaying up to 20 friends with working links to each of their pages.
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{{clr}}
   
:I think that if the woman isn't in it, like you say, then yeah, it will be more user friendly. However, I do like the skyline one a lot. I think it would be the better of the two. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
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{{Infobox Lifeinvader
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|name = Franklin Clinton
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|mainimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_large.png
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|occupation = Entrepeneur
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|relationship = Keeping my options open
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|photosimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png
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|friendsimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png
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|stalkingimage = Feud_logo2.png
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|famimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png
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|famcount = 5
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|famname = Denise Clinton
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|frnimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png
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|frncount = 17
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|frnname = Lamar Davis
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|stkimage = GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png
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|stkcount = 5
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|stkname = LS Customs
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|friend1 = Lamar Davis
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|friend1image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png
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|friend2 = Simeon Yeterian
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|friend2image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Simeon_Profile_large.png
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|friend3 = Tonya Wiggins
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|friend3image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png
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|friend4 = Denise Clinton
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|friend4image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png
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|friend5 = Harold 'Stretch' Joseph
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|friend5image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Stretch_Profile_large.png
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|friend6 = Tanisha Jackson
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|friend6image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tanisha_Profile_large.png
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|friend7 = Tavell Clinton
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|friend7image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tavell_Profile_large.png
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|friend8 = Dom Beasley
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|friend8image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Dom_Profile_large.png
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|friend9 = Beverly Felton
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|friend9image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Beverly_Profile_large.png
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|friend10 = Devin Weston
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|friend10image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Devin_Profile_large.png
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|friend11 = Demarcus Bradley
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|friend11image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Demarcus_Profile_large.png
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|friend12 = Andre Barnes
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|friend12image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Andre_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend13 = Nicolson Bell
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|friend13image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Nicolson_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend14 = Jamal Reynolds
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|friend14image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Jamal_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend15 = JB Bradshaw
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|friend15image = LifeInvader_GTAV_JB_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend16 = Darryl Knox
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|friend16image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Daryl_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend17 = Dana Ellis
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|friend17image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Dana_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend18 =
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|friend18image =
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|friend19 =
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|friend19image =
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|friend20 =
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|friend20image =
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|friendshiddencount = 0
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}}
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{{Clr}}
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I have also done a bit of work seeing if I can more closely replicate the ''functionality'' of the in-game page by using 4 tabbers for profile/photos/friends/stalking but there appears to be limited formatting options available to the editor when using the tabber function, so some of the aesthetics of the template would be lost in favour of the additional functionality. 
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{| class="infobox" align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 500px;"
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:Maroon;" |[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Template_Header.png|500px|center]]
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|-
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| rowspan="5" style="width:180px;background-color:white;" |<br />[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_large.png|150px|center]]
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| colspan="3" rowspan="2" style="background-color:white;" |
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<br />'''<span style="Color:Maroon"><big><big><big>Franklin Clinton</big></big></big></span>'''<br />
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Occupation: Entrepeneur</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Relationship Status: Keeping my options open</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: Feud_logo2.png|[[File:Feud_logo2.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="4" style="text-align:center;background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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<tabber>
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Back to My Profile=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="width:300px; text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Messages</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|}
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|-|Photos=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Photos</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|}
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|-|Friends=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Friends List</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"|[[Lamar Davis|<span style=Color:Maroon>Lamar Davis</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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|style="vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Simeon_Profile_large.png{{pipe}}center{{pipe}}50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Simeon Yeterian{{pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Simeon Yeterian</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tonya Wiggins{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tonya Wiggins</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"{{Pipe}} <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Denise Clinton{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Denise Clinton</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Stretch_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Harold 'Stretch' Joseph{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Harold 'Stretch' Joseph</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tanisha_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tanisha Jackson{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tanisha Jackson</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tavell_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tavell Clinton{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tavell Clinton</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|}
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|}
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|-|Stalking=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Stalking</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:Feud_logo2.png|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Feud Baseball Team|<span style=Color:Maroon>LS Feud</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|}
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|}
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</tabber>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" | <br />
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|}
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{{clr}}
   
:I prefer the skyline screenshot. It just looks better in my opinion than the bikini artwork, regardless the girl's appearance or not. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 12:59, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
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I'd like to know your opinions on which version would be more useful.
:I quite like the skyline shot as well. I'm not so sure about putting the cover girl ahead of protagonists or main characters. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 14:27, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:<big>Ok, I'm going to tell Bola to use this image as the main background. We will think about the header later. </big>
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'''Flat Version:'''
<big>[[File:Optional Background.jpg|200px]]</big><span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*Closely replicates look of in-game site
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*Functional for friends list only, no stalking list visible
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'''Tabbed version:'''
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*Loses visual similarity for the tabs with background and text formatting lost
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*Fully-functional for both Friends and Stalking tabs, Photos tab is non-functional in-game so would have no content anyway, Profile (messages) tab content would not need to be replicated in the template (at this stage).
   
I think both of these are pretty good for the background. But I prefer the skyline picture rather than the bikini girl one
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The current (flat) version has been trialed on [[Franklin Clinton]]'s page.
(and I know its only the background and not her included). Either way these both make great backgrounds. --[[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 02:53, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
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I am still undecided on whether to align the template on the right as an infobox or whether to align it in the center of the wiki page to more closely mimic the internet appearance or to align it on the left as a normal article table.
   
::I decided to use the skyline beside the girl. I already sent Bola a message, now we just have to wait. Also I'll think about the header image at an other time...<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup>
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Niko Bellic test:
==Manual of style==
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{| class="infobox" align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 500px;"
I have recently create a page to hopefully try and smoothen the operation of our vehicles department, however I do not want to press ahead with its implementation without community consensus. The [[Manual_of_Style/Vehicles|Manual of Style for Vehicles]]<span style="line-height:20px;"> has been created and I would like the Bureacrats and admins to have a look at it.</span>
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:Maroon;" |[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Template_Header.png|500px|center]]
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|-
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| rowspan="5" style="width:180px;background-color:white;" |<br />[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Profile.png|150px|center]]
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| colspan="3" rowspan="2" style="background-color:white;" |
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<br />'''<span style="Color:Maroon"><big><big><big>Niko Bellic</big></big></big></span>'''<br />
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Driver at [[Express Car Service|<span style="Color:Maroon">Bellic Cab Services</span>]]</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Lives in [[Broker|<span style="Color:Maroon">Broker</span>]]</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:white;" |[[File:Garnet_St.png|left|75px]]
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| style="background-color:white;" |[[File:Dillion_street_.jpg|left|75px]]
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| style="background-color:white;" |[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|75px]]
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="4" style="text-align:center;background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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<tabber>
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"Profile"=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|-
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Profile.png|center|30px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Red> Niko </span><span>Posted a status update </span>
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Gray> xx minutes ago.</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:white;"| <span style=Color:Maroon>Happy Birthday Roman.</span>
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|
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <span style=Color:Red>+1 Fanboy. Comment. Share.</span>
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| [[Mallorie Bardas|<span style=Color:Red>Mallorie Bordas</span>]],[[Jacob Hughes|<span style=Color:Red>Jacob Hughes</span>]] and <span style=Color:Red>18 others</span> are obsessed with this.
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|-
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:Rockstar_New_England_logo.png|center|30px]]
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:white; border=gray"| <span style=Color:Black>Write a comment...</span>
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Profile.png|center|30px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Red> Niko </span><span>Posted a photo in Obsessions</span>
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Gray> 12 days ago.</span>
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:white;"| [[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Photo_posted.png|300px|center]]
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:white;"| I was hungry after an hour [[Jacob Hughes|<span style=Color:Red>Jacob Hughes</span>]]
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|}
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|}
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|-|Photos=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Photos</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
  +
|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|-
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
  +
|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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|}
   
<span style="line-height:20px;">Also I recently imported the {{Template:T|t}} from Drive Club Wiki, I probably should have asked this community first. Is there anybody who would like this template to be removed? [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 16:04, May 4, 2013 (UTC)</span>
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|-|Videos=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Videos</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|-
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
  +
|-
  +
|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
  +
|}
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|-|Obsessions=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Obsessing</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
  +
|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|-
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
  +
|-
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|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:Burgershot.svg|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Burger Shot|<span style=Color:Maroon>Burger Shot</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
  +
|}
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|}
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</tabber>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" | <br />
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|}
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{{clr}}
   
::If you need that template, it shouldn't be removed. You don't have to ask for things you have to do, you are an admin afterall. :) <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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Thanks for reading. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 11:18, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
   
==Chat Problems==
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===Votes===
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Please indicate your preference for '''Flat''' version or '''Tabbed''' version below:
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*'''Tabbed''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 11:59, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 12:06, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 12:10, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed '''- [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 12:37, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 13:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed ''' - {{userlinks|Mortsnarg}}
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="font-family:agency fb;">[[User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]] [[File:Detonator Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]] [[File:Crate Android.png|20px]]</span> 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed'''-[[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 10:28, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
So you all know that I'm always on chat to see if anyone is there, but it's always quiet there and I'm always the only there, there has to be a staff here that's not busy with something should be in chat when I'm school, so I'm gonna figure out how to get more users to come on this chat. [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 03:24, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Cloudkit01
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===Comments===
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Please add any comments or suggestions for improvements to either version:
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*The Tabbed version looks less confusing. However, both versions of the infobox looks very confusing in the mobile version. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 12:08, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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**Good point. I keep forgetting that both my Android and Windows mobiles are set to browse the full version, not the mobile version of wikia. As far as I can tell, the mobile version doesn't render tabbers at all, it just flattens them out, and both versions of the infobox use nested tables which don't ever render well in the mobile version. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:29, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***Checked using Wikia's preview tool. It definitely looks terrible on mobile. The table is extremely narrow and barely readable. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 12:31, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***Yes, I checked with my Android device (I think it is a better test than the Wikia previwer - although that works pretty well). The set widths of the left columns definitely mess with the mobile rendering, probably more so than the nested tables. I thought there would be side-scrolling issues but it just squeezed it vertically, even when you are viewing the mobile version in "landscape" mode. Yuck. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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****The mobile version of the wikia sucks anyway, I wouldn't bother with this if I was you. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*****That's something I agree with - but we can't do much if a lot of people use Wikia through their phone. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 07:25, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*****Noticed another thing - the infobox is readable in the GTA Fan App. Although a few words are not visible, it is far more better than the mobile version of this wikia. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 10:21, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Are you going to be adding this template to Niko Bellic's page? Just out of curiosity. I like the idea and in my opinion, the templates look really good on the pages! {{userlinks|Mortsnarg}}
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**We don't have access to his profile in-game, so that would be an incomplete template based on the blurry image we can see on Jimmy's PC. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 16:54, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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**But the people that Niko's friends with and the business's he follows are still partially visible and legible. We could just link it to the people he's friends with (on the main page) it would be incomplete, but there's still info on his page and I think it would be fair to at least consider it. Whatever, maybe I'm missing the point, just think over the idea. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 17:01, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***No, I hadn't intended to put Niko's profile on his page, since the player cannot see it on the in-game LI site nor get the full content of his friends/stalk lists. The mock-up on Jimmy's laptop is unique. I may replicate the 3rd version - the [http://www.lifeinvader.com/profile/jackhowitzer real world internet version] which doesn't match the in-game internet version as a 2nd template. Niko's one might warrant a one-off attempted replica on his page not using either template. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:47, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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****Test of Niko Bellic version added above (as best as I can make out some of the text from my screenshots of Jimmy's open laptop. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 05:10, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Even I'm not a big fan of things like this, the tabbed version looks nice and easy to handle, like the in-game version. Still can't give an accurate opinion about the mobile version, but all that I can see is that it looks messy in both forms due to their limitations. So yeah, the tabbed one. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="font-family:agency fb;">[[User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]] [[File:Detonator Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]] [[File:Crate Android.png|20px]]</span> 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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* The tabber makes it look cleaner and more organized. Closing the vote as tabber. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

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Probation Expiry: Camilo FloresEdit

Closed as successful by Leo68 (talk) 19:50, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Leave votes below for the probation expiry of Camilo Flores (Admins and bureaucrats only. Patrollers and non-staff can still leave comments).

VotesEdit

  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:39, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Sam Talk 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Leo68 (talk) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Neutral - smurfy (coms) 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • A brilliant editor, corrections are almost faultless. He deserves his spot, as he his kind, friendly and non-argumentative. Nothing much else to say! Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
    • Monk, patrollers can't vote, so you'll have to remove your vote. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 17:44, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yeh, I just realized. I removed the vote, but I'll keep my comment. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 17:48, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Cam's handled the step up well. No real problems to report. Sam Talk 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Cam surprised me, I didn't expect him to be such an awesome patroller during his probation. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 17:53, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • It's too early but two days will not change my opinion, Camilo has improved on probation and is up to the job. Yes from me. Leo68 (talk) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Camilo definitely deserves the spot to me. He has improved tremendously on his probation. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Cam is always improving himself every day, so why not retaining as a patroller? He will definitely make good use of his tools. MC (MyComputer) 09:47, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • As far as general patrolling duties, he's doing fine. As a contributor, the language barrier is still a problem. I started keeping track of the poor grammar edits but gave up when the list became too long. The grammar is still "Google Translate" level and is the sort of thing a patroller should be fixing, not causing. smurfy (coms) 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
  • He needs to improve his grammar, but I'm sure he will work to overcome this issue. Except that, I agree with most of you and think he's proven he's ready to be a patroller. DocVinewood (talk) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Probation Expiry: Monkeypolice188Edit

Closed as Probation Successful by LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 16:41, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Leave votes below for our latest probation expiry, for Monkeypolice188.

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Monk had a few issues when he joined, which were ironed out before his promotion, a reason why he is on probation. If you ask me they are an issue of the past now and he has gotten over them. He is a much better user and has been working well in his role as Patroller. A yes from me. Leo68 (talk) 21:22, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Leo, he had some problems at first but he has gotten better and I feel that he deserves to keep the position. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 21:49, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Monk deserves the position, he knows and enforces the policies and is one of the most active editors here. DocVinewood (talk) 22:03, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Had a minor indiscretion with WildBrick and Rain last week (which he apologised to both users for) but in the grand scheme of things a relatively isolated incident which shouldn't overshadow the whole three months, as he's ironed out the early teething troubles. Probation worked for Andre and it's worked for Monk. Sam Talk 22:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Monk had some relapses here and there during his probation, but who doesn't get carried away sometimes? He apologized and learned from his mistakes, he will make a good patroller. - DLVIII Talk 01:37, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • A good chatter, editor and rollbacker, of course he deserves to be a patroller. Since votes are limited to admins and b'crats, I shall not vote. However, it will definitely be a yes from me. :) MC (MyComputer) 06:02, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Not a fan of his attitude at times, mine isn't any better either, but he usually does a great job (finding all top speeds, acceleration times, etc. is an example) so I wouldn't say no if I were allowed to vote. I believe he can improve a lot as a full patroller. The only problem I really have with him is that he, sometimes, is disputing facts but other than that I don't see much reasons for him not to become a patroller.
    Off topic: 558050, patrollers are not allowed to vote on users on probation so you'll have to remove your vote. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 10:33, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Patroller vote removed (thanks for pointing that out Wildbrick). smurfy (coms) 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Been giving this a bit of though all day. I'm wary of throwing stones from a particularly fragile glasshouse here, but have to point out that this has been far from a blemish-free period of probation and another case is ongoing right now with the Osiris. I'm not sure he is learning from his mistakes as much as has been suggested. However, with that said, I don't think the battles he's been involved in over the last few months should prevent the transition from probationary to patroller just because he's been on the wrong side of a few and has taken a while to back down. smurfy (coms) 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd just like to say, thanks guys for being there for me and giving me the chance to show my real self. I may not of been the best of probational patrollers on record (probably the worst, come to think of it), but I really will try to improve my decisions (that's my real fault, I make the wrong choices here, and make everything seem bad), and if that means me having to get told off or avoid making choices all together, well so be it. I really can be a good patroller, and I'll do my best to prove it, after all I am one of the most active users on this wiki, so I really can get a lot done in a short space of time, whether that's article edits, minor correction, talk pages and user talk pages, I will do whatever I can to improve this wiki. Thank you guys! Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 11:14, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry to be late but you definitely deserve to keep your spot Monk. You've had trouble on this wiki when you first started but like 558 said, almost everybody did, including me. What matters most is that you improved from your warnings and kept doing what you are doing. Now, you are one of the most active patrollers here and use your tools very well. You have greatly improved and I am proud of you. Keep it up. A "Yes" from me. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:15, June 13, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • I've seen his contributions and his handling of his patroller spot and I'm impressed, but as all first time staff members (including myself), we have our hiccups every now and then and he seems to learn from his mistakes. Monkeypolice earns the right to be regarded as an official patroller here on GTA Wiki. -Tony42898

Notification - Infobox Beta redesign for mobile compatibilityEdit

See the project page. Anyone wanting to learn the new markup for infobox design is welcome to observe and possibly participate, the project is not limited to staff only. smurfy (coms) 13:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Sliders on infoboxesEdit

I was talking to WildBrick about the Marshall infobox, as we can see, there's a slider which changes the main picture every second, so I asked him about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple generations, he disagreed because it's too simple to add sliders, instead it's better to keep two images separete, however, he agreed that vehicles with multiple liveries should have sliders, such as the many Burritos, the many Boxvilles and the Hotring Racers. It would make much more simple than a text on the description and the many gallery pictures, so I had to post this on the noticeboard, what do you think about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple liveries?

VotesEdit

  • Yes - EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 15:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • No Yes Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Leo68 (talk) 17:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - DLVIII Talk 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - MC (MyComputer) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Yes - JohnSignature 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • On Hold - pending compatibility/rendering issues. smurfy (coms) 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Approve
  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
  • yes - Myth(Talk/Stalk) 11:52, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Wildbrick's right. Unless there's tonnes of different liveries (like the Marshall), I really don't think a slider is needed. I think it's best to either put the unique variants in the infobox (eg, Post Op Livery), or put the different regular liveries in a gallery "variant" section (eg, the Mule's different liveries). Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • But that's my point, if the vehicle has dozens of liveries, we add sliders, like I said, for the Burritos, Boxvilles and Hotring Racers. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 16:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • As I said, I don't think there's enough of those liveries to put in the infobox as a slider. Look, there's 25 different liveries for the Marshall, and only 3 (in two games) liveries for the Hotring Racer. I still think it would only be usefull for things that have more than 10 liveries. Putting sponsors or company liveries (found on trucks) in the infobox as a slider might work however, it depends how many there are to me. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 16:29, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
        • Just understood what Andre and Wild meant, I always get so confused as they right so much in such large pieces of text. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 19:46, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • To clear some things up; The slider is only for liveries. Vans or trucks that have different company on them. Vehicles and their generations are split as normal if it's a different model name and share the same in-game name. Boxvilles would stay the same with the exception of LSDWP and LSDS Boxvilles as they are the same model but different liveries.
    Template:Infobox Tester has the Burrito page with how the infobox would look like (ofc. changes will be made because even though the snowy one is a different model name, it appears only once ever which means it's better suited for Variants section - for same reason Humane Boxville is not included in the infobox). The slider still needs fixing though because it displays unused ones (as you can see on the page). V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • The slider for multiple liveries will keep the galleries cleaner but as for multiple generations, no, we have the second image for that. Leo68 (talk) 17:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • I think we could use the slider for multiple liveries and also for vehicles with different Universe designs (Perennial, Intruder, etc), although I'm probably in the minority here. DocVinewood (talk) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't say you stand alone, if it's a car like the Perennial, the Manana or something that vastly changed between 3D and HD Universe I'd be inclined to agree with you. Leo68 (talk) 18:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes please, the Boxville page definetely need one of those. - DLVIII Talk 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • The page may very messy without this, due to the number of pictures in the gallery. The slider will also make the infobox more informative. MC (MyComputer) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • This is an excellent idea especially when it comes to vehicles with a lot of variants or liveries. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • This needs to happen. I really hate to scroll all the way to the bottom from a single page, just to look at its variants. Its a massive chore. JohnSignature 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • As documented on the Marshall talk page, the slideshow does not currently render in MonoBook wiki layout. This might be something we can fix under the hood but until then, we should not be rolling this out to any other page. smurfy (coms) 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • I think sliders for liveries is a good idea. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

SockpuppetryEdit

Resolved = Obvious sockpuppet blocked. Closed by smurfy (coms) 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so, we had a user vandalize many staff member user pages, and vandalize articles a while back. It appears we have a sockpuppet: Domwoodygaming.

It is almost certainly them, given the name is exactly the same, bearing only the "gaming" attachment. This was made shortly before they started vandalizing other pages on their original account, suggesting they were planning on vandalizing pages and trying to get banned, and had another account ready for when they got banned.

Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:55, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Comments Edit

  • The "sockpupet" account created and edited his own user page, just before the original accout started to vandalize. All edits were made on one single day! However, just to be sure, it's best to keep an eye on the sockpuppet account first, as he had not made any edits since the original account had been blocked, as of yet, and this may need more evidence to proof that both accounts were sockpuppets. MC (MyComputer) 22:44, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Reports of this nature need to be made to Admin/Bureaucrat staff, not made on the community noticeboard. This is an obvious sockpuppet account and has been blocked. smurfy (coms) 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Use of the "Deceased" symbolEdit

Symbol use in infoboxes approved, DECEASED- Skull, INCARCERATED- Handcuffs DETERMINANT- Question Grave. Vote closed by Leo68 (talk) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

Four users (myself, Sean, Marcus and RainingPain) have been discussing how to list characters as deceased in various sections (members, relatives etc.) of infoboxes. One case is character templates, where deceased characters have been identified with a crucifix (†) symbol. As Sean points out, they make the page look cleaner, but they can also impose religious connotations on others, which may not be appropriate on some pages. Since we all have varying opinions on how this should be identified, Sean suggesting setting up a community vote, so here we go:

In infobox sections (such as relatives, members etc), should deceased characters be identified in Written form, or through the use of a Symbol?

VotesEdit

  • Symbol - EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - DLVIII Talk 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol -TevanoRCMP (talk) 21:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Symbol (deathmatch marker)  - DocVinewood (talk) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written - V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written - SJWalker (talk) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written Symbol - Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - MC (MyComputer) 22:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Neutral - smurfy (coms) 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I think the crucifix means more of religion than death, but I think it should be added to a character's relative who is dead, like Packie McReary, in the relatives section of his infobox, there should be; Derrick McReary†, but in the status section, it's better if we write Deceased. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • The relatives etc. section was the section we were discussing Andre. If you look on the Lost MC page, the members section in the infobox uses the crucifix. I'll re-word the statement to make it clearer. SJWalker (talk) 14:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • If the crucifix is such a problem, I may come up with a skull icon. That one wouldn't have any religious connotation whatsoever. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • We are living in an era where everyone can look at a symbol, a opinion or a idea and immediately feel ofended by it. If anyone look at that crucifix and say that we are imposing religious believe on him, I would say to him shut up and grow a pair, the crucifix is a universal symbol of death, on the context of the page it has nothing to do with religion, get over with. If anyone see religious symbolist on the crucifix is because they want to. The last thing I want right now, is to see this site bend over this ridiculous politically correct bullshit that have been plaguing the media for the past years.
  • Besides, writing deceased on everything is ugly, and as Sean said, the crucifix makes it seem more clean. - DLVIII Talk 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Understood now, changed my vote. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • What if deceased was identified as the word deceased but written in the color red.along with the crucifix TevanoRCMP (talk)
    • Won't solve the issue. Just make the infobox look even worse than right now. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 15:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • The symbol works in the character templates and it will work in the infoboxes. Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Seeing how the odds of my suggestion wont look good I am voting as symbol. I would hate to see the cruucifix to go away TevanoRCMP (talk) 16:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Since I am a Christian, I can say that the symbol we use is based on the "Cross", which Jesus was hung on, along with what we wear on jewelry for "protection". However, adding the cross symbol to mean deceased is not a good idea, since most editors here are atheists and therefore do not believe in any religion. Still, I'd go for the symbol since it makes the pages look cleaner. As Rain said, a skull symbol is more understanding and less argumentive of a topic than the use of the cross symbol. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
    • So what if most editors are atheists? The cross is there to symbolize that the character is dead, not that he was christian or anything like that. If most editors here are atheists, thats their problem. Hell, DocVinewood is atheist and he doesn't care about this. The way that we edit the wikia shouldn't be a reflex of the staff religious beliefs.- DLVIII Talk 17:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • Well, I believe that the cross isn't a good symbol to use. As WildBrick said, it can offend some users. Plus a Cross isn't used in reality to define a dead character at all. Also, you misread what I was saying. I didn't say that the Cross meant characters were Christians, but that the Cross isn't a good symbol to use for everyone. We have religious and non-religious editors here. A better symbol to use is a skull, which makes more sense and is a less argumentative topic. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:47, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
        • This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality I was arguing against in my first comment, this whole "some people might get offended by it!", fuck this people! No seryously, fuck then. If these people can't see pass their religious beliefs, then they might as well stay away from the internet as a whole. Changing the way we operate things just because some small amound of people are too simple minded to accept that others can have different opinions of the world as they is bullshit, plain and simple. And I say this as a catholic myself. And the cross can have tons of different meanings depending of with person you ask for, the most common meaning is the christian one: death and ressurection, DEATH and ressurection.- DLVIII Talk 18:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with 558. The crucifix is an universal symbol and everybody knows what it means, there is no need to change it. I'm an atheist and I don't have any problem with it, nor I'm offended in the slightest. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. DocVinewood (talk) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • True as i don't see how the crucifix could offend anyone and well said Doc if it ain't broke don't fix it. ~~~~
  • Probably gonna be alone on this one but, yeah, written.

    First, the crucifix is mostly used as a symbol of christianity. Many people have different opinions of it whether it's good or bad. Not everyone might understand this though which can cause confusions. Remember, we live in a world filled with different opinions and religions which means some people will get offended by it and some won't. Some mightn't even know what that logo/symbol means (there are people like that) which will cause confusion and distrubance.

    Second. Cleaner yeah, effortful nah. The reason why I'm against this is because there isn't a point to these. "(deceased)" does the job just fine. It does not make the infobox ugly and it does give some bit of information. Unless you're using a 800x600 CRT (probably there are no issues even with that), there is absolutely no problems with it. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? Also how hard is it to type out "<small>(deceased)</small>"? It's no different than looking for and copy-pasting logos. It actually shows some effort put into the page instead of "here, have a random logo - I hope you understand 'cause you gotta find out things by yourself". If we're gonna use a logo to "explain" things, we might as well change all templates into pictures and put everything into abbreviations example being: "TA is a 2-door sc feat. in GTAV & GTAO." (imaginary cookies for whoever actually knows what page's description I shortened like that) I mean it makes the intro for the page cleaner and does give somewhat understandable information. It also doesn't need as much effort as writing the whole thing out so why not?

    Third, as said, the "(deceased)" does the job just fine. Are we really gonna waste so much of our times to swap everything with a logo? Nobody ever complained about the use of "(deceased)" then someone (don't remember who, I just remember seeing it on wiki activity) pointed out "it makes it cleaner" and suddenly everyone started losing their mind. Hundreds of pictures are uncategorized, hunderds of pages are stubs or are broken due to changes with whatever, hundreds of useless redirects are on the wiki, hundreds of old templates incompatible with the new design are not fixed... yet noone cares. Nodoby mentiones a thing about these and then suddenly we get a full-blown discussion about whether actual text should be replaced with some logo. Has logic taken a 180 degree turn or something? Even if this idea comes to pass, do we need to make such a silly issue our top priority?... especially when there actual issues around the wiki? V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Disagree, and i'll use your words: The crucifix does a fine job either, you can see that it works well on other wikis. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • "Disagree" Explain why?
        "you can see that it works well on other wikis" Examples on wikis that noone (who supports the symbol) from GTA Wiki edited on? V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
        • Look at this infobox here. For me it looks good. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
          • Added by an IP address and you are also editing on this wiki. Fair enough though.
            Still, "Sam (brother) † " doesn't look that clean to me. Words in bracket and then a symbol, it makes the little character description inconsistent. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:31, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • I think the cross looks nice, look at this page for example, can you imagine how that infobox would look if they put deceased after every single character? It would look polluted as hell, the cross occupies less space and does the job just fine. - DLVIII Talk 17:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • That's a lot of family members. Anyway, that list and descriptions after it wouldn't look as polluted if bullet points wouldn't be used and the description text would have "<small>" tags.

        Valid link and point though, it seems like the symbols were used on that page all the way back in 2010. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • I've thought about it and decided to stick with it in written form. As an athiest I have no opinion on the meaning of the crucifix as it does not offend me in any way, I just think that writing "Deceased" is much clearer and in my opinion makes little/no difference to the layout of the infobox. SJWalker (talk) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Not everyone can understand symbols, that's all I have to say. I agree with Wild and Sam. Just saw Rain's skull idea. Changed my vote, symbols are always identifiable when it comes to death :P. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)18:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • It does seem neater when using the symbol, as the written one may occupy some space in the infobox. MC (MyComputer) 22:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)


  • Wow, the feeling was stronger than I had anticipated. Always risky touching on a personal space like religion in a forum such as this. As you may have read, I do have a problem with the symbolism of any one religious denomination being accepted as a "default" for something as universal as death. Much like Wildbrick, I don't think this needs to be a high priority. I do like the idea of using a symbol in list fields (not to be used by itself in the individual's status field as has already been pointed out), but I don't think it should be a cross. That could just as easily be interpreted as indicating a character's faith, rather than their live or dead status. Do a Google Image search for Death Symbol, the first results are all skull and crossbones style images. So is any better? smurfy (coms) 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Good point, I feel like this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, so yeah, the crucifix suits more the deceased, as most graves are given a crucifix on top of them. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 00:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • I think you've missed  most of the point.  "most graves are given a crucifix". No, many Christian headstones use a cross which symbolises the religious denomination of the deceased party. Less than 1/3rd of the worlds population is Christian. It is the most geographically widespread (we won't go into the reasons for that) but Christians are still far-outnumbered by non-Christians. Just beacause the majority of the active editors on this particular wiki are from Western nations that are predominantly Christian, doesn't mean we have to impose the Christian view of the world on everyone else. 60% of the world population does NOT identify a Crucifix as being a recognisable symbol of death, they recognise it through western media forcing it down their throats that it is a Christian symbol (and some of them are intolerant enough to be offended by it, but that is irrelevant to this argument). I'm not saying we have to be strictly secular, but where we can avoid it, we should do so. smurfy (coms) 01:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
        • I don't think you got that right, what I meant is that most of the graves uses a crucifix, and that this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, last but not least, what else would mean death on the infobox? I have seen many symbols and none of them fit better in this case than a crucifix, but sure, I understand that some users will understand that as a religious image, overall, I actually agree with you. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 01:12, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Should characters in "determinant" be represented as italics in the infobox sections, or represented as another symbol? MC (MyComputer) 08:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • Maybe an interrogation symbol or something like that. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 14:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • After looking at this hot debate going on about what symbol to use, I'll just stay out of it. But a symbol in general is good. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)


  • Maybe instead of using using crucifixes and all that, how about something GTA-themed for GTA Wiki? Epsilon logo/HUD icon, GTA V rampage logo/HUD icon, 3D Era rampage, etc. There is a nice amount of things to choose from that we could use. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 15:10, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • I like this idea. But how would that work? The rampage skull for deceased characters and this interrogation symbol (MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown) for determinant characters? - DLVIII Talk 17:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • I found this: Deathmatch marker GTA V. It's the deathmatch marker from GTA Online. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
        • 558 and Rain showed the best icons, now we don't need the crucifix anymore, who else agrees? EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 17:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
          • I agree too. Also image icons are good since you can make it show the text when you hover over them (unlike acronym which does the same but adds the underline) so that's a nice compromise.

            For determinant characters, I could make IV's/V's red/blue flashing blip (the one that appears on characters where you have to make a decision) as an icon. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 20:52, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
            • Now that we have the icons, here's what I suggest on how to use them. We would make a template called "Status" and it would work as the following:
              {{Status|D1}} produces MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown
              {{Status|D2}} would produce Deathmatch marker GTA V
              Just my idea. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 21:08, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
              • I gotta say, that's a genial idea, if the voting is closed as symbol then we should use it, it looks much better than the cross and the skull, the images may also display a caption saying "deceased" or "determinant" for users who have no idea of what it means. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 22:21, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

(reset indent) - Tested with The Lost MC infobox >>>

I don't like the Interrogation mark, to me that indicates uncertainty whether the listing should be there, not determinant character, although the mouse-over tip helps. I think the "flashing decision" icon as proposed by WildBrick would be better. smurfy (coms) 22:33, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

    • The interrogation mark could be used on characters whose status is currently unknown, such as Donald Love, by the way, some characters status is incarcerated, (Hsin Jaoming and Gerald McReary for example) what symbol should we use on those kind of status? How about a badge symbol? Like this one (LCPD-GTA4-logo)? - DLVIII Talk 03:37, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
  • Maybe the symbol of the Bolingbroke Penitentiary or other known prison, the LCPD logo is more likely to say that the character is a cop. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 14:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
    • Deteminant blip: DeterminantCharacterBlip-GTAV (if someone could remove the white outline, it'd be great. Photoshop is absolute shit when it comes to gifs, I'm not even sure why Adobe added that "feature"). Also V has an unused handcuff blip (HandcuffBlip-GTAV) that could be used for arrested characters. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 15:28, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
      • I know how to do a gif using photoshop, the problem is my PC, anyway, look at the infobox now. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 15:36, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
        • The flashing red and blue blip doesn't really show a character is determinant at all.I agree that 558's question mark blip should be used for unknown status characters and that the handcuff blip could be used for incarcerated characters, but the flashing red and blue blip doesn't speak for itself. It appears to me as if also the character is either a cop, or is incarcerated. Not to be difficult, but I'd suggest using a different icon for a determinant character. Maybe a cross between life and death (not the cross symbol)? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
        • Added the "incarcerated" symbol for Elizabeta. MC (MyComputer) 02:24, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
  • The skull icon should be used for deceased, handcuffs for incarcerated but as for determinant, that still needs to be determined. Leo68 (talk) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • For those who are interested, I've made the template. It's called Template:Status. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 08:34, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Made GTADet quickly in GIMP for Determinant. Original image is taken from one of those stock image sites where everything is fair use, I just made it transparent. ToJ (talk) 08:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • Looks like a pretty good symbol, I don't think that theres any type of symbol that users can look at it and immediatly think: "this character's fate is determinent", so this one should do the job. - DLVIII Talk 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Update, all three symbols are now able to be used in infoboxes, the skull for deceased, the handcuffs for incarcerated and the questioned grave for determinant. Leo68 (talk) 18:27, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

Lifeinvader ProfilesEdit

Closed as Tabbed (9) Flat (0) Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Update: As per the vote, I will continue development using the tabbed version and won't be trying too hard to get it looking perfect on mobile at the expense of visual or functional quality on a fully rendered browser. smurfy (coms) 23:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

I've been doing a bit of work this weekend building a template to replicate the GTA V in-game Lifeinvader profiles. The intent is to include this template on any character that has a Lifeinvader page in-game. This will also automatically include them in the new category I have also added.

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Stalking Page

Sample of actual in-game Lifeinvader page

The template, as it stands at the moment, fairly closely replicates the look of the in-game page, with the Friends list page open displaying up to 20 friends with working links to each of their pages.

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile large


Franklin Clinton

Occupation: Entrepeneur
Relationship Status: Keeping my options open
LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile photos
LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Feud logo2
Back to My Profile Photos Friends Stalking
Friends List
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis

LifeInvader GTAV Simeon Profile large
Simeon Yeterian

LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Tonya Wiggins

LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Stretch Profile large
Harold 'Stretch' Joseph

LifeInvader GTAV Tanisha Profile large
Tanisha Jackson

LifeInvader GTAV Tavell Profile large
Tavell Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Dom Profile large
Dom Beasley

LifeInvader GTAV Beverly Profile large
Beverly Felton

LifeInvader GTAV Devin Profile large
Devin Weston

LifeInvader GTAV Demarcus Profile large
Demarcus Bradley

LifeInvader GTAV Andre Profile tiny
Andre Barnes

LifeInvader GTAV Nicolson Profile tiny
Nicolson Bell

LifeInvader GTAV Jamal Profile tiny
Jamal Reynolds

LifeInvader GTAV JB Profile tiny
JB Bradshaw

LifeInvader GTAV Daryl Profile tiny
Darryl Knox

LifeInvader GTAV Dana Profile tiny
Dana Ellis


LifeInvader GTAV Template private
0 friends with private profiles.

I have also done a bit of work seeing if I can more closely replicate the functionality of the in-game page by using 4 tabbers for profile/photos/friends/stalking but there appears to be limited formatting options available to the editor when using the tabber function, so some of the aesthetics of the template would be lost in favour of the additional functionality. 

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile large


Franklin Clinton

Occupation: Entrepeneur
Relationship Status: Keeping my options open
LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile photos
LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Feud logo2

Messages
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs

Photos
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs

Friends List
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis

LifeInvader GTAV Simeon Profile large
Simeon Yeterian

LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Tonya Wiggins

LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Stretch Profile large
Harold 'Stretch' Joseph

LifeInvader GTAV Tanisha Profile large
Tanisha Jackson

LifeInvader GTAV Tavell Profile large
Tavell Clinton

Stalking
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
Feud logo2
LS Feud


I'd like to know your opinions on which version would be more useful.

Flat Version:

  • Closely replicates look of in-game site
  • Functional for friends list only, no stalking list visible

Tabbed version:

  • Loses visual similarity for the tabs with background and text formatting lost
  • Fully-functional for both Friends and Stalking tabs, Photos tab is non-functional in-game so would have no content anyway, Profile (messages) tab content would not need to be replicated in the template (at this stage).

The current (flat) version has been trialed on Franklin Clinton's page. I am still undecided on whether to align the template on the right as an infobox or whether to align it in the center of the wiki page to more closely mimic the internet appearance or to align it on the left as a normal article table.

Niko Bellic test:

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile


Niko Bellic

Driver at Bellic Cab Services
Lives in Broker
Garnet St
Dillion street
Burgershot


On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot
LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile
Niko Posted a status update xx minutes ago.
Happy Birthday Roman.
+1 Fanboy. Comment. Share.
Mallorie Bordas,Jacob Hughes and 18 others are obsessed with this.
Rockstar New England logo
Write a comment...

LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile
Niko Posted a photo in Obsessions 12 days ago.
LifeInvader GTAV Niko Photo posted
I was hungry after an hour Jacob Hughes

Photos
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot

Videos
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot

Obsessing
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot
Burgershot
Burger Shot


Thanks for reading. smurfy (coms) 11:18, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

Please indicate your preference for Flat version or Tabbed version below:

CommentsEdit

Please add any comments or suggestions for improvements to either version:

  • The Tabbed version looks less confusing. However, both versions of the infobox looks very confusing in the mobile version. MC (MyComputer) 12:08, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
    • Good point. I keep forgetting that both my Android and Windows mobiles are set to browse the full version, not the mobile version of wikia. As far as I can tell, the mobile version doesn't render tabbers at all, it just flattens them out, and both versions of the infobox use nested tables which don't ever render well in the mobile version. smurfy (coms) 12:29, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Checked using Wikia's preview tool. It definitely looks terrible on mobile. The table is extremely narrow and barely readable. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 12:31, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yes, I checked with my Android device (I think it is a better test than the Wikia previwer - although that works pretty well). The set widths of the left columns definitely mess with the mobile rendering, probably more so than the nested tables. I thought there would be side-scrolling issues but it just squeezed it vertically, even when you are viewing the mobile version in "landscape" mode. Yuck. smurfy (coms) 12:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
        • The mobile version of the wikia sucks anyway, I wouldn't bother with this if I was you. - DLVIII Talk 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
          • That's something I agree with - but we can't do much if a lot of people use Wikia through their phone. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 07:25, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
          • Noticed another thing - the infobox is readable in the GTA Fan App. Although a few words are not visible, it is far more better than the mobile version of this wikia. MC (MyComputer) 10:21, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Are you going to be adding this template to Niko Bellic's page? Just out of curiosity. I like the idea and in my opinion, the templates look really good on the pages! Mortsnarg (talk)
    • We don't have access to his profile in-game, so that would be an incomplete template based on the blurry image we can see on Jimmy's PC. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 16:54, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
    • But the people that Niko's friends with and the business's he follows are still partially visible and legible. We could just link it to the people he's friends with (on the main page) it would be incomplete, but there's still info on his page and I think it would be fair to at least consider it. Whatever, maybe I'm missing the point, just think over the idea. Mortsnarg (talk) 17:01, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • No, I hadn't intended to put Niko's profile on his page, since the player cannot see it on the in-game LI site nor get the full content of his friends/stalk lists. The mock-up on Jimmy's laptop is unique. I may replicate the 3rd version - the real world internet version which doesn't match the in-game internet version as a 2nd template. Niko's one might warrant a one-off attempted replica on his page not using either template. smurfy (coms) 01:47, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
        • Test of Niko Bellic version added above (as best as I can make out some of the text from my screenshots of Jimmy's open laptop. smurfy (coms) 05:10, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Even I'm not a big fan of things like this, the tabbed version looks nice and easy to handle, like the in-game version. Still can't give an accurate opinion about the mobile version, but all that I can see is that it looks messy in both forms due to their limitations. So yeah, the tabbed one. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Dispatch Detonator Android Data Files Crate Android 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  •  The tabber makes it look cleaner and more organized. Closing the vote as tabber. Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

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