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For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
We currently have a lot of staff so there will be no more Patroller requests for a while. Current Patrollers may request to be promoted to Admin status by voting on the Requests for Promotion Page.
 
   
 
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*Voting usually lasts 3 to 5 days.
 
*Voting usually lasts 3 to 5 days.
   
==Toning Down Obvious Trivial Points==
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'''Please input your new requests above the old ones. That way, we can easily spot it rather than looking for it.'''
I been noticing some pages recently; when pages have Trivia, the trival points they have are so obvious that you can figure it out yourself rather than reading it. Most of the Trivias have points that are like "The sky is blue."  I been thinking: We get all the obvious trivial points and put them on their articles' sections. There is a policy on Wikipedia (and Wikia in general) where Trivia is not allowed, but it's rare to find one on a page because they have points possibly not known to others. I think the Trivia should be reserved for glitches, tips and unnoticed features in a GTA game, not for, "This is the first appearance of Mikhail Faustin." or "The car is unique to the mission".
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==Sockpuppetry Allegations - Sasquatch101==
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[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 01:32, April 17, 2013 (UTC) 
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Posted on Leon's talk page earlier today:
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===Sockpuppeting information===
I agree with using the Trivia section to point out interesting facts such as puns in names (p.e. [[R.C. Hole]]), continuity errors, hidden stuff...
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''(I originally wrote this to you on Community Central, but it glitched and my message was not appearing. That's why there may be some artefacts.)''
 
However, cleaning up ALL of the Trivia sections in articles of this wiki would be hard, time-taking and, therefore non-effective.
 
 
What do you suggest we do, T?
 
 
[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:06, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: I thought about something: We don't have to do it immediately. If we find a page with obvious trivia "facts", just remove them. Let's not start and GTA Wiki-wide clean-up. Just remove some points if we get time.
 
 
: [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 01:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Maybe. What if we separed the articles into "Characters", "Vehicles", "Missions" and "Games" and distribute them by the GTA Wiki Staff?
 
::I think it could work...
 
::[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 09:29, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::Guys, read [[GTA Wiki:Trivia|our policy on Trivia]], which states that you should try and intergrate good trivia points into the article itself first. If there is no room for a trivia point in the article, then it goes on the trivia list. "The sky is blue" trivia points, where you state the obvious, such as "Mikhail is Russian" is discouraged and deleted. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:29, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::Go ahead and start a wiki wide clean up deleting all the "sky is blue" trivia points if you so wish. Be bold when editing :) [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:31, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Ok, let's do this!
 
:::::[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:33, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Dealing with Vandals (For Staff and Current/New Users)==
 
When vandalism is going on, isn't it less necessary to confront the such users and tell them off, especially users with no staff ranks and that are patrollers? During the Joshualeverburg Incidents, staffs and non-staff confronted him and in result/retaliation, got their userspages vandalised, such as [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|M.K.]], [[User:Cloudkit01|Hi-Hi Puffy Bosco]], and [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|myself]]. The average contributors and patrollers should report to an admin/b'crat first rather than acting like an admin or if the admins are active during these incidents, block them immediately. To my sense, if you write to the vandals, telling them to stop, you're more than likely making them say, "What are you going to do about it?", "Ha, Ha" or "I'm going to piss the guy off". I just don't want those vandals coming back attacking the users who told them to stop.
 
 
[[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 01:07, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
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I agree. I also think that most admins and bureaucrats should be online as often as possible because if we remember back to the 22 case, there were no admins online and his vandalism went on for hours until [[User:Ilan xd|Ilan]] finally came on. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 21:01, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
I wasn't active during the Zombie22 Incidents, so I have little knowledge of that. Now that we have five admins, at least one of you guys should check the wiki a couple times a day and always check the Recent WIki Activity page.
 
[[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 21:10, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
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:Read [[GTA Wiki:Vandalism]]. There is a section on how to deal with vandalism. If you come to the conclusion that you need to block a user for vandalism or any other incident, then read [[GTA Wiki:Blocking Policy]]. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:10, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Our '''Do not feed the trolls''' policy is important when dealing with vandals.
 
 
"Everytime we respond to those tryin to ruin the wiki, we are giving them what they want. The more we do that, the more they will be back for more. It's best to be calm, and limit contact with vandals. The less attention they get, the more likely they are to move on. Don't play games with the vandals as this makes it more fun for them."
 
 
See, those are words to live by :) [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:15, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:That was epic :) -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:04, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Read and understood 'em. The "Do not feed the trolls" should be mentioned by any new/normal users should get that memo when they confront the vandal. Like my mom use to say, "Never care for a person if you have no idea of his or her intentions." The care part means anything that you do to the person good. bad or trying to stop his actions, i.e. vandalism. [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 06:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Background==
 
Since there is new artworks for GTA V, is the GTA Wiki background going to change? [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:09, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==With regards to Promotion==
 
Hey guys. When someone usually requests a promotion, the same reason keeps popping up time and time again. "I've been on this wiki for such and such time and have such and such edits"
 
 
Who agrees with me that this has never been a good reason to request promotion and who agrees that it should be stated on our promotion page? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 20:48, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:When I'm promoting someone, I'm most interested in the quality of their contributions, and after that their ability to get along with other users. Linking to work done on another wiki is fine, but saying "I'm a bureaucrat on somesuch wiki" alone doesn't impress me, because Wikia will let anyone found a wiki or adopt an abandoned wiki, and I've met a couple shockingly incompetent bureaucrats. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 23:04, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah quality of edits, if they've helped fight vandalism on the wiki, and their ability to get along with others is things I usually look for too. Not how long they have been editing here, how many edits they have, or even their status on another wiki. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 23:14, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Edit count doesn't mean that much really, I know many users that do a full character biography in one edit, something like that is a lot more impressive than 100 seemingly unnecessary edits. But experience on another wiki, so long as that wiki is of a good quality and they have actually contributed significantly to it, does get taken into account in my eyes. The length of time someone has been around on the wiki doesn't matter to me, if there are big gaps in editing or there edits aren't significant that is. So yes, maybe mention these things on the requests for promotion page. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Featured Article section==
 
Featured articles are a common feature on almost most wikis. Does anyone think we should have a feature article section on this wiki? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:39, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I would love to see a featured article on the wiki. But I would only want it under the GTA games section; not replaceing it. Were "Rockstar Games Twitter" and "Helping Out" is would be a better place for it. I think a Featured Article would be much better than that. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 07:24, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah, same here! I would love having a Featured Article section. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:20, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::Anyone else have any opinions or comments on this? I wonder what Tom and Jeff think. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:25, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::I'm fine with that idea. But if we're going to do something like that we should to have stricter and clearer standards for articles. Official layouts and policies and the like. People usually don't like it when I try to make rules though, I get complaints that I'm making the wiki no fun. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 21:10, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I think a Manual of Style is needed on this wiki. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 21:33, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::I agree with Jeff and Dan, it's a good idea but we could do with a Manual of Style, like Dan said. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::Okay well us three crats all agree on the Manual of Style, so we'll have to start discussing that soon. Does anyone else have any comments on featured articles? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 16:47, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::::::::Yes, will the Featured article be marked with a template, like [[w:c:rockstargames:Edgar Ross|that]], or an 'Era' template (small icons at the top of the page, indicating games/groups/etc related to the page), like [[w:c:assassinscreed:Desmond Miles|that]]? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:58, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::::Just an aside, I'm going away for about a week (give or take a couple days) for Christmas so I'll likely not be responding to this for a while... on the other hand I might end up with hours per day on my hands and put in some actual work on this place. But if I do go quiet that's why. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 03:34, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I say we leave the discussion until after Christmas as I'll be busy over the holiday period aswell. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 04:26, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::I think this discussion should begin again. The featured articles are also on the Red dead Wiki and they seem good on there, so I also think it's a good idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 20:09, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::We have the featured articles section, but it's been sticky on the ambulance for a long time. It would be nice if it changed only a weekly or bi-weekly rotor. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::We can delete this section and make a new one. Also, a weekly rotor is such an annoying thing, as it would eventually repeat itslef too much. I prefer promoting articles to a "featured status" and then just show them 'randomly' each time when a user views the main page, like [[w:c:maxpayne|this one]]. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 09:23, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I like the sound of that. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 10:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Wiki Reconstruction==
 
I say we should bring to the wiki back to life a little bit. We are one of the best wikis, but we lack of new users (50 a month isn't that good). Here are my ideeas:
 
*Adding a new background (GTA V themed).
 
*Based on the color of the background, we should change the wiki skin color.
 
*Re-writing the main article and making it more friendly for new users.
 
*Adding "featured articles" and polls.
 
 
Of course, this shouldn't happen that fast, but with GTA V on the way, we might catch some new users. We want them to stay, no? <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span>
 
 
   
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Hello there. I see you're the head bureaucrat here. I have some information related to some sockpuppeting schemes going on on that wiki, so I'd be glad if you could hear me out. I apologise for the new account but I fear persecution for the controversial info I may show you.
   
:I do agree with you on most things but GTA isn't really the most brightest game so, I don't think changing the Wikis skin colour will do much but the other ideas are good. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 20:23, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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I am certain that you know both users [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] and [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]], correct? I have evidence that these users are actually the same person and there may be a sockpuppeting scheme occuring..
:All those things sound good, espesially "featured articles". The only thing I don't agree with is changing the wiki's background. Great ideas!  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:03, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:What this wiki needs is a GTA V background image. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 05:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:: We should definetely change the Main Page. It looks "old". <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span>
 
   
::: Something with all the three protagonist or a view of Los Santos would be nice. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 09:23, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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I will get the simple stuff out of the way first, the more complex evidence is for later. Where do we begin? Both these users (or should I say, this user,) have the exact same beliefs. For example, compare "their"  profiles, both of them have the "Catholic" "This user follows the Policy" "XBOX 360" and "Niko is the best protagionist" infoboxes. Both of their profiles begin with "I am Boomer/Sasquatch." And the writing style on both of their profiles is very consistent.  This may be more than coincidence. Their interests are the same as well. Both of them edit on the same wikis (i.e GTA Myths.) 
::::Yeah, that'd be nice. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 09:51, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::The main page is fine as it is. It's the background image that needs changing. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:40, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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Now, only a couple weeks ago, Boomer8 was banned for Meatpuppetry (he was also unilaterally unblocked by [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy]].) And that's just another reason why "Boomer" is just a sockpuppet of Sasquatch. These two users will defend themselves to the end. It's the reason why Boomer got demoted from his staff position - he was angry that Sassquatch was demoted. Just look at both of these user's edits to either the GTA Wiki or the GTA Myths Wiki's Community Noticeboard or Requests for Promotion page and you will spot something fishy.
   
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'''The biggest proof is these user's IP address. They are EXACTLY the same.''' Now, they are using a dyamic IP address so his IP will often change, but it is a minor difference and is usually only by 1 digit. ''[Their IP is usally 107.77.75.55 but I have seen them edit from 107.77.75.49 and 107.77.75.53 as well. If anyone wants me to delete this personal info I will.] ''Not to mention their editing times - it is very strange. They log in at the exact same time, but do not edit at the same time suspiciously. For example, Sasquatch will sign in, make an edit and vanish, then right after that Boomer will sign in and make an edit, and so on. This activity just shouts "I am switching accounts!" to me.
   
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My conclusion is that Sasquatch101 and Boomer8 are sockpuppets of the same person. I am asking you to take some action against these rule breaking users.
   
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I also have a suspicion that  bureaucrat LS11sVaultBoy is also assosciated with Sasquatch and Boomer, but I do not have much proof other than the unilateral unbanning of them and constant support for them, even when bad ideas were proposed. This probably is not a bad gesture as I presume VaultBoy is only doing this to maintain his admin at the GTA Myths Wiki by "being good" to Sasquatch.
   
:Ok, Messi. I thought I could help, but I can't test backgrounds since I'm not an Admin. We might have to wait for someone with experience in making backgrounds. Any ideeas who could be? Maybe a Community Wikia staff? <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] <sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Tal </span>''</sup></span>
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I have provided some photo evidence of various claims below, just remember that there are even more occasions of these 2 users pulling the things I have mentioned above.
:[[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:33, April 1, 2013 (UTC) 
 
   
:Changing the backround to a backdrop of Los Santos would be a great face lift for the wiki. The wiki skin should stay dark though. 
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Imgur link with various photos of evidence: http://imgur.com/szX46BV,2wOk2Dp,pgI8VE0,J5tota6#0
   
:If the wiki is going to have a new background it should be the new protagonists. Like how the wiki currently has the IV Era protags. Not Los Santos.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 02:16, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:PunjabiNights|PunjabiNights]] ([[User talk:PunjabiNights|talk]]) 01:50, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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It is well known around here that Sasquatch and Boomer are close, and they will agree on a lot in votes, especially Requests for Promotion supporting each other. They appear to be close friends and this is backed up by the fact that they work a lot on the GTA Myths Wiki, but Tom's involvement does not seem likely just because they agreed on a vote. Tom can make bureaucratic decisions if he feels there has been an unjust decision, however, he should have brought it up. For now I will not be making any reports to Community Central. I will also argue this case if you bring it up with Community Central. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
::Agreed. Well if someone can make a background image, then I'll change it. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 02:42, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
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A discussion has been made to lift the ban on Boomer but it seems unlikely he'll get it lifted. As for Sasquatch, he may be similar to Boomer but I don't think B is a sockpuppet of S or vice versa. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:46, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
:::I have photoshop, but I'm not used to it. I think we will have to ask someone from the Community Wiki?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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I don't think it's a Community Central issue. Perhaps if we wanted to punish B and S for being sockpuppets, but that's something more suited for Special:Contact rather than CC. It should remain local for the time being. [[User:PunjabiNights|PunjabiNights]] ([[User talk:PunjabiNights|talk]]) 04:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
::::Well, who made the current background? [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 08:57, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
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: {{Q|It should remain local for the time being.|Anonymous sockpuppet}}
::::::I am probably not meant to be posting here, but the background was made by [http://gta.wikia.com/User:JoePlay JoePlay].[[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=w:c:wildonesgame:User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=w:c:wildonesgame:Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:01, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Since everybody seems to agree that the new protagonists should be the background, shall I post a request to Wikia? First we should probably decide on an image for them to use. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 16:48, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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: Sure it should... wouldn't want Wikia staff asking curly questions like how this person claims to know wikia editors IP addresses now would we? They are either Wikia staff abusing their [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Checkuser CheckUser] rights or the IPs have been farmed by off-wikia bait site(s), and we know who has been using one of [http://gta.wikia.com/User_talk:Carl_Johnson_Jr.#A_concern those] recently now, don't we? [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 11:10, April 26, 2015 (UTC) 
   
:[[:File:The Trunk-GTAV.jpg]] and [[:File:Trevorfranklinmichael-GTAV.jpg]]. Can't think on other backgrounds than those. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 18:01, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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===Reponse===
::On the left side a photo of Trevor in "The Trunk", and on the other side Franklin's in the second picture Ilan shown. And the background (of the background, lol) to have the skyline of Los Santos.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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:: Allow me to debunk some of the so-called evidence presented here.
:::I think just using the second image would be better, Trevor and Michael on either side. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 19:36, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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::* The quoted IP addresses are allocated to Cingular mobile devices by proxy, and could be in the same room or on opposite sides of the country, and will be allocated simultaneously to literally hundreds of mobile devices at a time. This is standard practice in the industry. There are many other reasons for multiple accounts to have the same public IP address that do not prove they belong to a single user.
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::* I have pulled some data for edit times here at GTA Wiki. The last time they were both active simultaneously was around 30 April 2014. Some may remember the vandal attacks that happened at that time. Since then, they have both been serving various blocks here so naturally they haven't been active simultaneously much. The days where both have edited, there has usually been gaps of hours between one another. I haven't had the time nor the inclination to repeat the exercise for the Myths wiki.
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::* Shared interests - isn't it strange how two people who become friends on the internet could have the same interests and use the same userbox templates on their user pages to display those interests. /sarcasm! Most of us here at GTA wiki have many of those userboxes in common. We have shared interests, that's why we have congregated here in the first place.
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::* Similar style on user pages - most users seem to copy and paste layouts for their user pages and just edit in their own detail. If you are going to convict as sockpuppets everyone who plagiarizes user page content for their own use, you are going to end up with a small active user base.
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::* Personality/style - as has been discussed elsewhere, either this "one user" is a very good actor, has a serious multiple personality disorder, or (more likely) there are actually two different people.
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::* Taking sides - Yes, it is abundantly clear that they take the same side in any debate. That's precisely why Boomer was blocked for Meatpuppetry. That doesn't make them the same person.
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:: My case for the "defence". [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:11, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
:::I was thinking that this wiki could be bright like GTA V. Having The GTA V cover or All Three Protagonists in the background image and having the colors being bright like the game looks. That would be great. [[User:Matt Seay|Matt Seay]] ([[User talk:Matt Seay|talk]]) 21:24, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I'm not really sure how having all three would work, making two smaller and having them on one side would look a bit off. As would having a transparent background. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 08:43, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::::Yes this true, I guess just the Game Cover Art would be good. I mean technocaly GTA IV has 3 protags, and only two are on the background. I am more in favor of the cover art being the background but I want something that is kind of generic for the new game. [[User:Matt Seay|Matt Seay]] ([[User talk:Matt Seay|talk]]) 02:09, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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* It is painfully obvious to me that these spurious allegations have been made by a user with an axe to grind against Sasquatch101, Boomer8 and LS11sVaultBoy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify who that could be. Even letting slip words like "persecution" should give you a clue that we are dealing with exactly the sort of troll attempt we were supposedly on the lookout for after the Cloudkit01 blow up this week. The fact that many of you seem to have been gullible enough to fall for this mud-slinging disappoints me almost more than the act itself. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:11, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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* Unless they're brothers, what PunjabiNights said appers to be solid proof for me, not to mention that I study system analysis and it's too much coincidential for them too have the same IP addres, even if they live close or far, check my IP addres and see if anybody has it or if it comes at least close. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 15:04, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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* I don't believe that Tom is a vandal, nor do I believe that Boomer and Sasquatch are run by the same sockpuppet. If they are then it would be frustrating that for nearly three years we've had two sockpuppets. Tom's mistake was not bringing up the issue regarding Boomer's ban with other staff or even if it was decided by a Bureaucratic veto. I think that somebody has an issue with B and S and want to discredit them. They just appear to be close friends. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 17:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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* This is user is Gunshow (the extreme vandal that has been harassing the Myths wiki) trying to besmirch me and Boomer. Vault Boy should block this user right now as he is aware of how this guy operates. See what I'm talking about---[http://www.vandalism-discussion.wikia.com/wiki/Message_Wall:Sasquatch101] --[[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 22:31, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
==Help from the [http://es.gta.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Theft_Encyclopedia Spanish GTA Wiki]==
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==Recent Events - Boomer8 Block==
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Earlier today another user accused one of our staff members of sockpuppetry and favoritism towards Boomer8 following his unexpected blocking lift. I have reinstating the block for now and will not be making any formal reports to Community Central. However, there is a vote being set up to determine the future of the user.
   
So, I talked to this Staff member, who apparently is talented in coding and is also a GTA fan. His name is [http://es.gta.wikia.com/wiki/Muro:Bola Bola].
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Should the block be lifted on [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]]? [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:23, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
He agreed to help us. But first we will have to decide the background(s). Sincerely, I don't want anymore protagonists' faces looking at me all-day long.
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Vote closed; the ban will remain. Closed by [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 17:54, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
I thought of using this:
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===Votes===
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*'''No '''- [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:23, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 04:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*No - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 05:07, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 07:30, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 07:35, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 10:14, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No '''- [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 10:24, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 12:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 17:42, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
[[File:BeautifulSunset-GTAV.jpg|200px]]
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===Comments===
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*He's been blocked twice and was given the ban for failing to follow the rules. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:23, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*Boomer has had trouble in the past. He needs to stay blocked. Though this case of sockpuppetry does sound likely... [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 04:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*I'm gonna say right off the bat that I don't feel confortable with Boomer here. He is hot-headed, childish and I don't see him as a valuable user enough to ignore the rule about the permanent ban after two blocks as Leon already pointet out above. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*I am not going to vote as I am a new user and that really defeats the purpose, but I am going to give you a TL;DR on why Boomer8 should be banned: he has been known to use sockpuppets. I left a large messageon [[User:Leon Davis|Leon's&nbsp;wall]] about this, but in short, Boomer has the same IP address, interests, profile and much more of another Wikia user. Sockpuppetry is against this Wiki's rules and he should keep the ban. [[User:PunjabiNights|PunjabiNights]] ([[User talk:PunjabiNights|talk]]) 04:46, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*I was really sorely tempted to vote yes here just to spite the trolls that are using their dispute with Boomer and Sasquatch from Myths Wiki as an excuse to mess with this wiki. But the fact is that Boomer's blatantly displayed personality issues got him deservedly blocked by Jeff. There is no justification for the block to be lifted. Incidentally, Boomer's cited traits are markedly different to those displayed by his supposed sockpuppet Sasquatch, and any accusations of sockpuppetry from an account that is itself practicing sockpuppetry (in the guise of protection from "persecution") should not be taken into account in this discussion. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 05:07, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*Next point, do we bring Sasquatch's involvement into this and block him for sockpuppetry? If Boomer also controls Sasquatch's account then, A; he's been breaking the rules and getting away with it for nearly three years, B; he's sockpuppeting after a block and C; he occupied TWO patroller positions in the past. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 05:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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**Oh dear, a sockpuppet case? And this user getting away for three years? <s>I think that both accounts should be blocked for an '''unlimited''' amount of time for having ''zero'' integrity.</s> [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 05:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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**Okay, maybe there's indeed not enough evidence, but Boomer had not learnt his lesson as he had been blocked too many times, so it's still a '''no''' to the block being lifted for Boomer. <s>But indeed Punjabi did have some evidence.</s>
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**If the sockpuppetry allegations is true, I don't even know what to say. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 13:55, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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***<s>There's not much proof that Boomer and Sasquatch are the same guy. If you're not convinced, send a checkuser request at the Wikia staff.</s> Changed my opinion after eading Punjabi's message. I suggest to discuss Sasquacth's situation in another thread. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 08:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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***Boomer and Sasquatch dont appear to be the same person to me. I think I also once found both editing at the same time on GTA Myths Wiki. [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*I have known Boomer from GTA Myths Wiki and He is not somekind of vandal. However I cant say yes because of him being blocked so many times.[[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*After looking over several things, I now agree with this. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 10:14, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*He has been blocked four (now five) times, all with good reason. When he returned late last year, he made no real edits to the Wiki. There was no reason for him to have been unblocked again, he had done nothing to justify it. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 12:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*I think the way Boomer treated Dan and Jeff is enough reason to get him blocked forever. [http://gta.wikia.com/User_talk:Messi1983#RfP_2 Check this out] and you'll see what made me feel uncomfortable for his block lift. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*Just like Sam, I see no reason to unblock him. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 17:42, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*Closing the vote. Given that 12 people have decided to keep him blocked there's no way we'd get enough users to turn it around. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 17:54, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
Also, I tought of having a header like on tha Spanish wiki. You know, the navigation thingy with On The Wiki, GTA Games, GTA Info, Community. Maybe we could use the Skyline in this picture:
 
   
[[File:Beachweather-GTAV.jpg|200px]]
 
   
I don't know, but we must take a decision, since Bola is ready to help us.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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== RfP Lock ==
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Due to recent events involving 'trollers' applying for positions, I have locked the Requests for Promotion page until another staff position comes up. The Requests for Promotion is a page that can't be vandalized due to how important it is on this wiki, so from now on, the page will be locked when staff positions aren't available. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:36, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
:The skyline one is definitely more user-friendly. The bikini girl background would make the wiki more or less unusable for anyone who wanted to look at it at school or work, and I can imagine female editors not really caring for it too. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 18:49, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>What about the ones who reapply after coming back from their inactivity? I may try to reapply for patroller rights after a week or two of editing. --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 01:45, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
::The girl won't appear on the header, only the skyline beside her will do. Like this on the Spanish wiki:
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== Mission Pages Cleanup ==
[[File:Sp_Wiki_Header.png|300px]]
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A notice to all users; a majority of the mission pages need a major cleanup. The quotes have links, the grammar is poor and the pages are poorly assembled. If you can, check over the pages so that they can be cleaned up. If you don't know what qualifies as a page needing cleanup, add the template so another user can clean up the page. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 07:34, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*Yeah, I noticed that, i'm checking out articles that needs a cleanup, [[User:SJWalker|Sam]] is working on it. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:08, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
I agree with Jeff.
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==Missions in GTA 2==
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I was just writing this to let you guys know who want to get some edits that most of the missions in GTA 2 still need infoboxes and images. To get the images, watch GTA Series Videos play the mission on Youtube, print screen it while it is saying the mission name and then crop it in an editing application such as Paint.NET. I'm currently doing it as well but I'm going to have to continue tomorrow as I am going shortly.
   
I don't, but if I happened to visit the wiki at school, it wouldn't be easy to explain that good-looking girl in the background...
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Also, the missions in GTA 1 are pretty much a lost cause because I can't find videos of the missions anywhere to get images or even an understanding of what happens in the mission. If anyone can do either of these things then that would be great.
   
The skyline background doesn't bring any heat, haha.
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Thanks, [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 23:55, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:16, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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== XPanetta ==
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Heads up to all the users, XPanetta is going onto other wikis to convince users to un-block him now that Ilan is gone. Ignore him, if the harassment continues, report him to an admin, or if you can block him from the wiki like I have. See [http://thebill.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:11869 the latest log] on The Bill Wikia, where I am a Bureaucrat (he has been blocked from said wiki). The first notice was in September, and the most recent was today. {{unsigned|Leon Davis}}
   
::Skyline one looks best I think. Bikini one is good for a male audience, but females play GTA too. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 22:54, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for the warning Leo. Considering Tom was one of the ones harrassed by X I can't see him unblocking X any time soon, but we'll all keep our eyes open for him. I think eventually Wikia will do an IP block on him if he continues his harrassment and gets blocked from wikis one by one. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 16:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
'''EVERYONE LISTEN:''' the girl won't appear on the wiki, only the skyline beside her will be the header. And the other picture will be the background. So, let's decide already. Am I telling to Bola?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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I blocked him a month ago on another Wiki for harassing Smashbro. Ever since he got blocked he has so far only cross-wiki harrassed administrators to get unblocked. I'm thinking about filling a report to Wikia against him. I could read once that harrassment can lead to your account being globally blocked. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 17:17, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
:I think that if the woman isn't in it, like you say, then yeah, it will be more user friendly. However, I do like the skyline one a lot. I think it would be the better of the two. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
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I'd file a report if I were you Rain. There's enough evidence of harrassment and he even helps us by listing what he was blocked for. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
   
:I prefer the skyline screenshot. It just looks better in my opinion than the bikini artwork, regardless the girl's appearance or not. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 12:59, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
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I don't think our admin cleanout has been that drastic that trolls like this will get away with asking to have well-deserved infinite blocks overturned. His current harrassing and pleading and demanding is no different to what he has been doing constantly since he was first warned here, let alone after his block(s). Wikia staff have told him point blank he deserved the block and he should pull his head in, but he hasn't given up. Eventually I think he will get a global Wikia block. In the mean time, I do feel sorry for those of you who have your other wikia activity advertised in your profiles which makes you potential targets for him. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></small></sup> 07:50, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
:I quite like the skyline shot as well. I'm not so sure about putting the cover girl ahead of protagonists or main characters. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 14:27, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:<big>Ok, I'm going to tell Bola to use this image as the main background. We will think about the header later. </big>
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:He messaged me on my talk page on wikianswers. I reverted the edit stating that I do not wish to discuss GTA Wiki on another wiki. If he continues such harrassment I will block him there. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:33, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
<big>[[File:Optional Background.jpg|200px]]</big><span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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===Report===
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As I am busy today coupled with what appear to be internet problems (pages that take time to load and etc.), I'm putting here all evidence I could gather regarding XPanettaa harrassing others. If anyone can report him, they must do this through [[w:c:community:Special:Contact|this]]. One should provide evidence of it as I doubt Wikia staff would deal with someone without proof. If anyone has more evidence of it, post it below.
   
I think both of these are pretty good for the background. But I prefer the skyline picture rather than the bikini girl one
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Evidence:
(and I know its only the background and not her included). Either way these both make great backgrounds. --[[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 02:53, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
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*XP's thread on Community Wiki: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:740624
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*XP's original request to be unblocked to Ilan (at least the only one Ilan replied to): http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ilan_xd#Block
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*Ilan's reply to XP with a clear "NO": http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:XPanettaa#RE:
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*Harrassment of Smashbro8: http://watchdogs.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:12995 and http://midnightclub.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:4308
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*Harrassment of Leon Davis: http://thebill.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:11869
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*Harrassment of The Tom: http://mafiagame.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:18856
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*Harrassment of Messi1983 mentioned above: http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Messi1983?diff=5935870&oldid=5294604
   
::I decided to use the skyline beside the girl. I already sent Bola a message, now we just have to wait. Also I'll think about the header image at an other time...<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup>
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I'll reply to any questions about it on my talk page. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:19, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
==Manual of style==
 
I have recently create a page to hopefully try and smoothen the operation of our vehicles department, however I do not want to press ahead with its implementation without community consensus. The [[Manual_of_Style/Vehicles|Manual of Style for Vehicles]]<span style="line-height:20px;"> has been created and I would like the Bureacrats and admins to have a look at it.</span>
 
   
<span style="line-height:20px;">Also I recently imported the {{Template:T|t}} from Drive Club Wiki, I probably should have asked this community first. Is there anybody who would like this template to be removed? [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 16:04, May 4, 2013 (UTC)</span>
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He knows some of us are admins/bureaucrats of other wikis, he will be harrising us as soon as he knows which wiki we run, he has been in multiple wikis, such as the Midnight Club wiki, the Bill wiki, the Watch Dogs wiki, the Red Dead wiki, the Mafia wiki, he didn't attempt to visit my Scarface wiki yet, but i'll not even answer him, he'll be automatically blocked, he and Sean are a pain in the ass. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]) 15:41, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
::If you need that template, it shouldn't be removed. You don't have to ask for things you have to do, you are an admin afterall. :) <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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===Update===
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Report filed. I have sent a report including the evidence to Wikia, and received an email back saying they will look into the evidence and get back to me within two days if necessary. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 15:26, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
==Chat Problems==
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I have received an email from the Wiki moderators. Here is the email in full:
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"Hello,
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Thanks for contacting us, and apologies for the slow response. I have communicated to XPanettaa that his actions are not reasonable, and that he should desist in his pestering about the block. Hopefully this will have a positive effect.
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With regards the other user, they do currently have a Wikia-wide block against those accounts - so you shouldn't be continuing to have issues with them. Has there been any recent activity around that? (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:741274#38appears to come a little out of the blue, the previous response being in November).
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Thanks again for bringing this to our attention, and best regards,
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George Marbulcanti (Kirkburn)
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Wikia Community Support" [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]])
   
So you all know that I'm always on chat to see if anyone is there, but it's always quiet there and I'm always the only there, there has to be a staff here that's not busy with something should be in chat when I'm school, so I'm gonna figure out how to get more users to come on this chat. [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 03:24, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Cloudkit01
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:XPanettaa is still trying to get unblocked, and AK-28 is attempting to advise him on how to do that - [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:787016]. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User talk:McJeff|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 02:54, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

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Sockpuppetry Allegations - Sasquatch101Edit

Copied from user talk page(s) Posted on Leon's talk page earlier today:

Sockpuppeting informationEdit

(I originally wrote this to you on Community Central, but it glitched and my message was not appearing. That's why there may be some artefacts.)

Hello there. I see you're the head bureaucrat here. I have some information related to some sockpuppeting schemes going on on that wiki, so I'd be glad if you could hear me out. I apologise for the new account but I fear persecution for the controversial info I may show you.

I am certain that you know both users Sasquatch101 and Boomer8, correct? I have evidence that these users are actually the same person and there may be a sockpuppeting scheme occuring..

I will get the simple stuff out of the way first, the more complex evidence is for later. Where do we begin? Both these users (or should I say, this user,) have the exact same beliefs. For example, compare "their"  profiles, both of them have the "Catholic" "This user follows the Policy" "XBOX 360" and "Niko is the best protagionist" infoboxes. Both of their profiles begin with "I am Boomer/Sasquatch." And the writing style on both of their profiles is very consistent.  This may be more than coincidence. Their interests are the same as well. Both of them edit on the same wikis (i.e GTA Myths.) 

Now, only a couple weeks ago, Boomer8 was banned for Meatpuppetry (he was also unilaterally unblocked by VaultBoy.) And that's just another reason why "Boomer" is just a sockpuppet of Sasquatch. These two users will defend themselves to the end. It's the reason why Boomer got demoted from his staff position - he was angry that Sassquatch was demoted. Just look at both of these user's edits to either the GTA Wiki or the GTA Myths Wiki's Community Noticeboard or Requests for Promotion page and you will spot something fishy.

The biggest proof is these user's IP address. They are EXACTLY the same. Now, they are using a dyamic IP address so his IP will often change, but it is a minor difference and is usually only by 1 digit. [Their IP is usally 107.77.75.55 but I have seen them edit from 107.77.75.49 and 107.77.75.53 as well. If anyone wants me to delete this personal info I will.] Not to mention their editing times - it is very strange. They log in at the exact same time, but do not edit at the same time suspiciously. For example, Sasquatch will sign in, make an edit and vanish, then right after that Boomer will sign in and make an edit, and so on. This activity just shouts "I am switching accounts!" to me.

My conclusion is that Sasquatch101 and Boomer8 are sockpuppets of the same person. I am asking you to take some action against these rule breaking users.

I also have a suspicion that  bureaucrat LS11sVaultBoy is also assosciated with Sasquatch and Boomer, but I do not have much proof other than the unilateral unbanning of them and constant support for them, even when bad ideas were proposed. This probably is not a bad gesture as I presume VaultBoy is only doing this to maintain his admin at the GTA Myths Wiki by "being good" to Sasquatch.

I have provided some photo evidence of various claims below, just remember that there are even more occasions of these 2 users pulling the things I have mentioned above.

Imgur link with various photos of evidence: http://imgur.com/szX46BV,2wOk2Dp,pgI8VE0,J5tota6#0

PunjabiNights (talk) 01:50, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

RE:Edit

It is well known around here that Sasquatch and Boomer are close, and they will agree on a lot in votes, especially Requests for Promotion supporting each other. They appear to be close friends and this is backed up by the fact that they work a lot on the GTA Myths Wiki, but Tom's involvement does not seem likely just because they agreed on a vote. Tom can make bureaucratic decisions if he feels there has been an unjust decision, however, he should have brought it up. For now I will not be making any reports to Community Central. I will also argue this case if you bring it up with Community Central. Leo68 (talk) 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

A discussion has been made to lift the ban on Boomer but it seems unlikely he'll get it lifted. As for Sasquatch, he may be similar to Boomer but I don't think B is a sockpuppet of S or vice versa. Leo68 (talk) 04:46, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

REEdit

I don't think it's a Community Central issue. Perhaps if we wanted to punish B and S for being sockpuppets, but that's something more suited for Special:Contact rather than CC. It should remain local for the time being. PunjabiNights (talk) 04:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

"It should remain local for the time being."
— Anonymous sockpuppet
Sure it should... wouldn't want Wikia staff asking curly questions like how this person claims to know wikia editors IP addresses now would we? They are either Wikia staff abusing their CheckUser rights or the IPs have been farmed by off-wikia bait site(s), and we know who has been using one of those recently now, don't we? smurfy (coms) 11:10, April 26, 2015 (UTC) 

ReponseEdit

Allow me to debunk some of the so-called evidence presented here.
  • The quoted IP addresses are allocated to Cingular mobile devices by proxy, and could be in the same room or on opposite sides of the country, and will be allocated simultaneously to literally hundreds of mobile devices at a time. This is standard practice in the industry. There are many other reasons for multiple accounts to have the same public IP address that do not prove they belong to a single user.
  • I have pulled some data for edit times here at GTA Wiki. The last time they were both active simultaneously was around 30 April 2014. Some may remember the vandal attacks that happened at that time. Since then, they have both been serving various blocks here so naturally they haven't been active simultaneously much. The days where both have edited, there has usually been gaps of hours between one another. I haven't had the time nor the inclination to repeat the exercise for the Myths wiki.
  • Shared interests - isn't it strange how two people who become friends on the internet could have the same interests and use the same userbox templates on their user pages to display those interests. /sarcasm! Most of us here at GTA wiki have many of those userboxes in common. We have shared interests, that's why we have congregated here in the first place.
  • Similar style on user pages - most users seem to copy and paste layouts for their user pages and just edit in their own detail. If you are going to convict as sockpuppets everyone who plagiarizes user page content for their own use, you are going to end up with a small active user base.
  • Personality/style - as has been discussed elsewhere, either this "one user" is a very good actor, has a serious multiple personality disorder, or (more likely) there are actually two different people.
  • Taking sides - Yes, it is abundantly clear that they take the same side in any debate. That's precisely why Boomer was blocked for Meatpuppetry. That doesn't make them the same person.
My case for the "defence". smurfy (coms) 12:11, April 26, 2015 (UTC)


CommentsEdit

  • It is painfully obvious to me that these spurious allegations have been made by a user with an axe to grind against Sasquatch101, Boomer8 and LS11sVaultBoy. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to identify who that could be. Even letting slip words like "persecution" should give you a clue that we are dealing with exactly the sort of troll attempt we were supposedly on the lookout for after the Cloudkit01 blow up this week. The fact that many of you seem to have been gullible enough to fall for this mud-slinging disappoints me almost more than the act itself. smurfy (coms) 12:11, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Unless they're brothers, what PunjabiNights said appers to be solid proof for me, not to mention that I study system analysis and it's too much coincidential for them too have the same IP addres, even if they live close or far, check my IP addres and see if anybody has it or if it comes at least close. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 15:04, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't believe that Tom is a vandal, nor do I believe that Boomer and Sasquatch are run by the same sockpuppet. If they are then it would be frustrating that for nearly three years we've had two sockpuppets. Tom's mistake was not bringing up the issue regarding Boomer's ban with other staff or even if it was decided by a Bureaucratic veto. I think that somebody has an issue with B and S and want to discredit them. They just appear to be close friends. Leo68 (talk) 17:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • This is user is Gunshow (the extreme vandal that has been harassing the Myths wiki) trying to besmirch me and Boomer. Vault Boy should block this user right now as he is aware of how this guy operates. See what I'm talking about---[1] --Sasquatch101 (talk) 22:31, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Recent Events - Boomer8 BlockEdit

Earlier today another user accused one of our staff members of sockpuppetry and favoritism towards Boomer8 following his unexpected blocking lift. I have reinstating the block for now and will not be making any formal reports to Community Central. However, there is a vote being set up to determine the future of the user.

Should the block be lifted on Boomer8? Leo68 (talk) 04:23, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

Vote closed; the ban will remain. Closed by Leo68 (talk) 17:54, April 26, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • He's been blocked twice and was given the ban for failing to follow the rules. Leo68 (talk) 04:23, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Boomer has had trouble in the past. He needs to stay blocked. Though this case of sockpuppetry does sound likely... Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 04:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm gonna say right off the bat that I don't feel confortable with Boomer here. He is hot-headed, childish and I don't see him as a valuable user enough to ignore the rule about the permanent ban after two blocks as Leon already pointet out above. - DLVIII Talk 04:39, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • I am not going to vote as I am a new user and that really defeats the purpose, but I am going to give you a TL;DR on why Boomer8 should be banned: he has been known to use sockpuppets. I left a large messageon Leon's wall about this, but in short, Boomer has the same IP address, interests, profile and much more of another Wikia user. Sockpuppetry is against this Wiki's rules and he should keep the ban. PunjabiNights (talk) 04:46, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • I was really sorely tempted to vote yes here just to spite the trolls that are using their dispute with Boomer and Sasquatch from Myths Wiki as an excuse to mess with this wiki. But the fact is that Boomer's blatantly displayed personality issues got him deservedly blocked by Jeff. There is no justification for the block to be lifted. Incidentally, Boomer's cited traits are markedly different to those displayed by his supposed sockpuppet Sasquatch, and any accusations of sockpuppetry from an account that is itself practicing sockpuppetry (in the guise of protection from "persecution") should not be taken into account in this discussion. smurfy (coms) 05:07, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Next point, do we bring Sasquatch's involvement into this and block him for sockpuppetry? If Boomer also controls Sasquatch's account then, A; he's been breaking the rules and getting away with it for nearly three years, B; he's sockpuppeting after a block and C; he occupied TWO patroller positions in the past. Leo68 (talk) 05:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
    • Oh dear, a sockpuppet case? And this user getting away for three years? I think that both accounts should be blocked for an unlimited amount of time for having zero integrity. MC (MyComputer) 05:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
    • Okay, maybe there's indeed not enough evidence, but Boomer had not learnt his lesson as he had been blocked too many times, so it's still a no to the block being lifted for Boomer. But indeed Punjabi did have some evidence.
    • If the sockpuppetry allegations is true, I don't even know what to say. MC (MyComputer) 13:55, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
      • There's not much proof that Boomer and Sasquatch are the same guy. If you're not convinced, send a checkuser request at the Wikia staff. Changed my opinion after eading Punjabi's message. I suggest to discuss Sasquacth's situation in another thread. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 08:43, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
      • Boomer and Sasquatch dont appear to be the same person to me. I think I also once found both editing at the same time on GTA Myths Wiki. Myth(Talk/Stalk) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • I have known Boomer from GTA Myths Wiki and He is not somekind of vandal. However I cant say yes because of him being blocked so many times.Myth(Talk/Stalk) 08:37, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • After looking over several things, I now agree with this. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:14, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • He has been blocked four (now five) times, all with good reason. When he returned late last year, he made no real edits to the Wiki. There was no reason for him to have been unblocked again, he had done nothing to justify it. SJWalker (talk) 12:21, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • I think the way Boomer treated Dan and Jeff is enough reason to get him blocked forever. Check this out and you'll see what made me feel uncomfortable for his block lift. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 14:52, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Just like Sam, I see no reason to unblock him. DocVinewood (talk) 17:42, April 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Closing the vote. Given that 12 people have decided to keep him blocked there's no way we'd get enough users to turn it around. Leo68 (talk) 17:54, April 26, 2015 (UTC)


RfP Lock Edit

Due to recent events involving 'trollers' applying for positions, I have locked the Requests for Promotion page until another staff position comes up. The Requests for Promotion is a page that can't be vandalized due to how important it is on this wiki, so from now on, the page will be locked when staff positions aren't available. Leo68 (talk) 04:36, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Comments Edit

*What about the ones who reapply after coming back from their inactivity? I may try to reapply for patroller rights after a week or two of editing. --Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 01:45, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Mission Pages Cleanup Edit

A notice to all users; a majority of the mission pages need a major cleanup. The quotes have links, the grammar is poor and the pages are poorly assembled. If you can, check over the pages so that they can be cleaned up. If you don't know what qualifies as a page needing cleanup, add the template so another user can clean up the page. Leo68 (talk) 07:34, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I noticed that, i'm checking out articles that needs a cleanup, Sam is working on it. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 14:08, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Missions in GTA 2Edit

I was just writing this to let you guys know who want to get some edits that most of the missions in GTA 2 still need infoboxes and images. To get the images, watch GTA Series Videos play the mission on Youtube, print screen it while it is saying the mission name and then crop it in an editing application such as Paint.NET. I'm currently doing it as well but I'm going to have to continue tomorrow as I am going shortly.

Also, the missions in GTA 1 are pretty much a lost cause because I can't find videos of the missions anywhere to get images or even an understanding of what happens in the mission. If anyone can do either of these things then that would be great.

Thanks, LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 23:55, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

XPanetta Edit

Heads up to all the users, XPanetta is going onto other wikis to convince users to un-block him now that Ilan is gone. Ignore him, if the harassment continues, report him to an admin, or if you can block him from the wiki like I have. See the latest log on The Bill Wikia, where I am a Bureaucrat (he has been blocked from said wiki). The first notice was in September, and the most recent was today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon Davis (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Thanks for the warning Leo. Considering Tom was one of the ones harrassed by X I can't see him unblocking X any time soon, but we'll all keep our eyes open for him. I think eventually Wikia will do an IP block on him if he continues his harrassment and gets blocked from wikis one by one. SJWalker (talk) 16:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I blocked him a month ago on another Wiki for harassing Smashbro. Ever since he got blocked he has so far only cross-wiki harrassed administrators to get unblocked. I'm thinking about filling a report to Wikia against him. I could read once that harrassment can lead to your account being globally blocked. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 17:17, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'd file a report if I were you Rain. There's enough evidence of harrassment and he even helps us by listing what he was blocked for. SJWalker (talk) 17:41, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think our admin cleanout has been that drastic that trolls like this will get away with asking to have well-deserved infinite blocks overturned. His current harrassing and pleading and demanding is no different to what he has been doing constantly since he was first warned here, let alone after his block(s). Wikia staff have told him point blank he deserved the block and he should pull his head in, but he hasn't given up. Eventually I think he will get a global Wikia block. In the mean time, I do feel sorry for those of you who have your other wikia activity advertised in your profiles which makes you potential targets for him. smurfy (coms) 07:50, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

He messaged me on my talk page on wikianswers. I reverted the edit stating that I do not wish to discuss GTA Wiki on another wiki. If he continues such harrassment I will block him there. Messi1983 (talk) 11:33, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

ReportEdit

As I am busy today coupled with what appear to be internet problems (pages that take time to load and etc.), I'm putting here all evidence I could gather regarding XPanettaa harrassing others. If anyone can report him, they must do this through this. One should provide evidence of it as I doubt Wikia staff would deal with someone without proof. If anyone has more evidence of it, post it below.

Evidence:

I'll reply to any questions about it on my talk page. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 14:19, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

He knows some of us are admins/bureaucrats of other wikis, he will be harrising us as soon as he knows which wiki we run, he has been in multiple wikis, such as the Midnight Club wiki, the Bill wiki, the Watch Dogs wiki, the Red Dead wiki, the Mafia wiki, he didn't attempt to visit my Scarface wiki yet, but i'll not even answer him, he'll be automatically blocked, he and Sean are a pain in the ass. Signature (talk) 15:41, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

UpdateEdit

Report filed. I have sent a report including the evidence to Wikia, and received an email back saying they will look into the evidence and get back to me within two days if necessary. SJWalker (talk) 15:26, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

I have received an email from the Wiki moderators. Here is the email in full: "Hello, Thanks for contacting us, and apologies for the slow response. I have communicated to XPanettaa that his actions are not reasonable, and that he should desist in his pestering about the block. Hopefully this will have a positive effect. With regards the other user, they do currently have a Wikia-wide block against those accounts - so you shouldn't be continuing to have issues with them. Has there been any recent activity around that? (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:741274#38appears to come a little out of the blue, the previous response being in November). Thanks again for bringing this to our attention, and best regards, George Marbulcanti (Kirkburn) Wikia Community Support" SJWalker (talk)

XPanettaa is still trying to get unblocked, and AK-28 is attempting to advise him on how to do that - [2]. Jeff (talk·stalk) 02:54, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

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