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For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
We currently have a lot of staff so there will be no more Patroller requests for a while. Current Patrollers may request to be promoted to Admin status by voting on the Requests for Promotion Page.
 
   
 
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*Voting usually lasts 3 to 5 days.
 
*Voting usually lasts 3 to 5 days.
   
== Anonymous Users Should be Allowed==
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'''Please input your new requests above the old ones. That way, we can easily spot it rather than looking for it.'''
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==Patroller Election==
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'''Closed as; WildBrick142 (8) TevanoRCMP (1)'''
   
::<font color=red>'''RESOLVED: Anonymous editing will ''not'' be allowed'''</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:28, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Following Dodo's demotion to inactivity, there is now a vacancy for the eighth patroller position. [[User:WildBrick142|WildBrick]] and [[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] have both expressed an interest, so the vote has been thrown open to the community. The voting rules are the same as with the recent administrator election, whereby you list who you want to vote for in the "votes" section. Best of luck to both users.
   
I have noticed on many active wikis that anonymous users are allowed. And when you check some of these wiki's recent wiki activity you'll see that a large amount of edits are done by anonymous users. So what I'm trying to say is that GTA Wiki should allow unregistered users to edit freely. This would make the wiki much more active and encourage some of these anonymous users to sign up and become registered users. Sure there may be a vandal here and there, but with the large staff this could easily be stopped. And if possible, an admin or Bureaucrat could block the Anonymous User account for a week. Please consider this as I believe this could do great for the wiki.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:37, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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====TevanoRCMP====
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Hello My names TevanoRCMP but my real name is Brandan something that should be noted about me is that I am 16 I live in the United States (as noted by my profile) some more things that should be noted about me is that im kinda like a grammar corrector sometimes if I see a sentence that has a spelling error in it I will try my best to correct the error and if for example on here if in an article and I see the word you instead of the player I will correct it to say the player if necessary. I hope to be able to contribute more to the wikia. The reason why I'm interested in becoming a patroller is because I wanna help other users and contribute more to the wikia. I hope one day to be able to help other users to get up to where I'm applying for. Thanks for taking the time to read this I hope to hear back from you guys.
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====WildBrick142====
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Hi all. I'm WildBrick142 (also known as WildBrick). I usually contribute here to add info or improve things. I used to be a bureaucrat on another wiki so I know how all the staff tools work. I like creating or editing templates (Some examples; [[Template:Infobox heist|here]], [[Template:Infobox location|here]] and [[Template:Gtav missions|here]] ([[User:ToJ|ToJ]] helped out with this one, by coloring the mission name text) and know some of MediaWiki (not much though). I have fixed most of the templates/infoboxes in the new style following the Wikia change that messed up background-less infoboxes and created a set of "Gta[title] missions" navboxes for each post-GTA2 game. <small>(I've also [http://gta.wikia.com/Template:Tnavbar?diff=prev&oldid=765583 found and removed this vile leftover from the Community split])</small> The bad things is that I'm not that good at spotting/reporting vandals - I'm mostly here about editing, improving, etc. - and that I'm not active that much (I will have to study for exams for and until the next two months but after that I will be much more active). Feel free to ask if you want to know more.
   
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:37, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*[[User:TevanoRCMP|Tevano]] - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 18:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:42, June 8, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*[[User:WildBrick142|WildBrick]] - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 18:48, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*[[User:WildBrick142|WildBrick]] - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 19:39, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*'''NO''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 11:07, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*[[User:WildBrick142|WildBrick142]] - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 20:34, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 12:29, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Wildbrick142''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 20:43, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]])
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*'''WildBrick142''' - [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 20:47, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oh Hell No - [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 13:26, June 9, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''WildBrick142''' <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="font-family:agency fb;">[[User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]] [[File:Detonator Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]] [[File:Crate Android.png|20px]]</span> 00:05, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup> 14:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''WildBrick142 '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 23:33, April 22, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''No''' -[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 03:49, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''WildBrick142''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 00:33, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
*No [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:53, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 10:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:41, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*The GTA Myths Wiki as well as others I see allow anonymous users and I don't think it would be a big deal. We should try it out; but if there is lots of vandals then reverse it. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:42, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*Difficult, but i'll have to vote on Tevano on this one, sorry WildBrick. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 18:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*Yeah, but what if some of them are anon vandals? - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*Yes, I think Tevano is more respectful (I'm not accusing anyone), and could be more responsible. I've seen him edit, and he doesn't make silly mistakes, whereas Wildbrick makes mistakes, and forgets to correct them. Wildbrick is a good editor, but I don't think he'd be a good Patroller,. Sorry [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 18:28, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*Same as Mikey. It is not a secret that any second anon is a vandal: it is impossible to trust anons, at least in my eyes. Sure, Wikia is all about making a community, but anons are a different story. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 11:07, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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**"''whereas Wildbrick makes mistakes, and forgets to correct them''" May I ask for examples? I'm not gonna lie - I did and do make silly mistakes when editing, but I usually try fix them instantly when I notice them. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 18:43, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*There will not be "a vandal here and there". There will be dozens of vandals per day. Just think about it this way - Wikia and Wikipedia tout their everyone-can-edit rule like it's a religion. For them to turn off anonymous editing completely on this wiki just proves the magnitude of the anonymous vandalism problem this wiki once had. In fact, I'd bet that even if this resolution passes, Wikia Staff would veto it. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 12:33, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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**The many times you added the handling file data to all them vehicles that day, you made many mistakes on the titles (eg: "Overview", instead of "GTA V Overview"), you also kept spelling Overview wrong several times. This is just a few on the top of my head I've seen. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 18:45, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*We already have problems with registered users, unregistered users would bring even more problems. But I agree we should have more Admins. For example, there's some guy who is adding Fanon content and me and Jeansowaty are the only one who spotted him? I'm voting '''No'''. <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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**"Overview" is what was always used before, and I did not know that we have to specify the game in the title - it's not mentioned in the [[GTA Wiki:Manual of Style/Vehicles|manual of style]] so, obviously, I had no idea how exactly should these sections be handled. As for spelling things wrong, it happens to everyone - especially people who's first language is not English. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 18:52, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*'''We already have problems with registered users, unregistered users would bring even more problems''' - Sums it up perfectly. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 22:56, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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**Not to be rude, but the attitude you give to users isn't exactly welcoming. I've seen some messages (no fingers being pointed) which are quite demanding and rude. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 18:55, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*As per Dan's last comment. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:53, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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**Which users? Unwelcoming? The only times I was "demanding and rude" was during our arguments in the past (vehicle stats, Faggio and Media policy) and these discussions were only with me with the GTAWiki staff (except in the Faggio argument where one user joined in too, but I don't believe this was "unwelcoming" in any way). [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 19:14, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*Well, that ended up quickly. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:02, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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**Check some of the messages you have sent to me for example, whe I first recieved some of them, I felt quite shaken by the way you worded or spoke to me. for example, when I removed the rename template of the category page, you said: "Well obviously! I Ain't a admin so....". The first part of that was quite sarcastic and harsh. Anyway, I'm ending this before you start to argue with me, another concern I have, since the events of the Faggio incident, which Andre delt with responsibley. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 19:24, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*thumbs up the last comment* - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:34, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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**As I said, I misunderstood it. I didn't knew Categories could not be renamed and the way you worded the edit reason ("You cannot rename categories" or something along these lines) as well as removing the "Move" template made me think you're just removing it for the sake of removing it and saying that I cannot rename pages. I did not intend it to be harsh or malicious - sarcastic yes, but only because I misunderstood your message. I'm not arguing here (or at least not intentionally), I'm just trying to clear up the false things said about me. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 19:38, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*I agree with Jeff and Dodo. While I do allow anonymous users to edit on the other Wiki's I run, this Wiki is just too big for that, there are already a lot of users, adding unregistered users to that would make this place almost unmanageable. I think I was the only one around when this Wiki was abandoned, pretty much every unregistered user was a vandal, and it took an incredible amount of time and work to get this Wiki to what it is now, allowing unregistered users will be a step backwards. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 10:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*I've been editing with WildBrick for more than a year now and it is unbelievable how much he has done for this wiki (and another wiki of mine he helped me with something on). Several of the things you see on the wiki are here because of WildBrick. He also has more thane enough edits and has been here longer. He is helpful and always responds to messages quickly. Also, Tevano says that he is a "grammar corrector", although, as a self-proclaimed grammar Nazi, I felt like shooting myself in the head while reading Tevano's statement. I can't see a single correct piece of grammar. It's either he isn't good with his grammar, or he is half-arsed (pardon my French) about the job and couldn't be bothered writing his statement with correct grammar. No offence to Tevano, as I'm sure he's a great editor, but I feel WildBrick exceeds him in almost every way. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 18:48, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
*In my opinion, I disagree but not at all. The bad part is, that each day we need to check if these new users are doing good edits, reasonable work, and don't messing up with the pages, we had a lot of problem with it. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:44, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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**Okay, answering messages quickly is an exaggeration, he takes a lot to answer sometimes :p [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 18:56, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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**I agree, he takes hours - sometimes days - to answer messages. Staff should be active and read to answer messages, instead of being offline, being un helpful. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 18:58, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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**He's always answered mine pretty quick. When I say quick, I mean within a couple of hours, 6 at the most. Who knows, maybe I catch him at around the right time. Also, if you're complaining about staff having to be active all of the time, check out Messi1983, there's been times when he's been inactive for 2 months at a time. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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**Agree with Andre, it actually takes me a long time to answer messgaes, and that's not only here but in other sites as well. It's all because of my lack of time, sometimes I barely get to log on and when I do I usually don't get the time to reply so it takes me pretty much forever to respond to anything. I try to answer messages as fast as I can though. <small><small><small>Sometimes I also read the message and decide to reply later, but end up forgetting to reply later on.</small></small></small> [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 19:14, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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*Definitely Wildbrick. He has contributed a lot to the wiki adding content, images or fixing infoboxes. He has been here for a much longer time and he knows how to use the staff tools already. Regarding Tevano, no offense but you should start improving your own grammar before claiming you're a "grammar corrector". <strike>I think you're a good editor and you have potential, but</strike> Wildbrick is a better option right now. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 19:39, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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*I'm gonna have to go with WildBrick here, looking at his contributions, its unbelivable everything he has done to this wikia, he definetely deserves the spot. <strike>Tevano is competent, but just a little more then 200 edits? I feel that I need to see more before you can get my trust.</strike> Tevano you need to improve A LOT, not just in grammar, but also in the way you handle the wikia, you keep forgetting to sign your messages, your userpage is a mess and for some reason you keep getting into others people conversation without no one calling you. I'm not the right person to judge others by their grammar, because my grammar is also far from perfect, but even I can see that out of both of you, Tevano is the one that needs to improve his grammar the most. So, I'm gonna go with the one with more experience and less grammar issues. <strike>But don't give up Tevano, more opportunities will appear in the future.</strike> Tevano, if you don't improve any of this, I'm afraid you have no chance to become a patroller in the future. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 20:34, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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*Absolutely wildbrick. If you think this Tevano idiot should be staff, I'll be leaving. Check my talk history with him! [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 20:44, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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**That was when i first started smurf things change don't you know that. {{Unsigned|TevanoRCMP}}
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**This is an agressive and rude comment, Sean, you don't need to state something like that, even if you hate a user so much. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 22:42, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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**Tough. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:18, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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*WildBrick with no questions, since he looks very acceptable as stated above, apart for the contributions that he made (especially the interior maps that I was adding some time ago). Tevano... well, I don't know too much about him, and he seems a bit complicated; he claims himself as a "grammar corrector", yet there are grammar mistakes over there. I don't like that because in my case, I'm good at English and grammar, but not too good to state that I'm "perfect". The case is that "presuming something" isn't good. Sorry. [[User:Camilo Flores|Camilo Flores]] ([[User talk:Camilo Flores|talk]]) 22:11, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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*I vote for WildBrick. He's been on the GTA Wiki a long time and has greatly contributed to the wiki in over a short period of time, along with others such as Doc, Smurf and [[User:Switch101|Switch101]]. As with the other three, if it weren't for WildBrick, some pages would not have been merged, images would not have been added, nor would our vehicle performance template be updated. I don't know much about Tevano, but he has tried helping out very well. However, he doesn't have enough contributions to promote him, nor is his grammar very good. Like others said, this isn't to make you lose confidence Tevano, however, use this as an opportunity to look to improve yourself in case another spot becomes available. For now, I vote for WildBrick. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 23:33, April 22, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*WildBrick is more experienced and I have always believed he deserved to be Patroller. I am closing the vote with the new Paroller being WildBrick. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 00:33, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
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Fine with me I'll try again next time when everyone gets a better chance to know me more by the way guys I never said that I am perfect with grammar I said I correct it the best that I could never said I was perfect at it [[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 02:22, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
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Also a tip free of charge of course don't be afraid to try new people just saying [[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 02:26, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
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== Mission Music / Wanted Level Music for GTA V ==
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'''CLOSED AS SUCCESSFUL - '''{{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 14:38, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
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Hello All, I'm sure you may all know by now that, during missions, unique Rockstar-Produced music plays, and many different tracks play. They also play during Wanted Levels (changing in intensity when raising stars), Heists, Missions and Activities.
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I have found a channel on Youtube that has all of the tracks, including Mission Tracks, Wanted Level tracks and Heists Tracks, and he sensibly names and uploads them, without having any intros/outros. The only problem is he puts "Remember to subscribe, rate and subscribe" in the Description (you have to click the down arrow to see that, though)
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Since he is very good with copyright, and how he presents the videos of music, with sensible images, comments and audio, '''should we consider adding these tracks to mission/heist/wanted level pages?''' (bare in mind the tracks are individually unique, and are Rockstar-made).
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'''''Channel:''''' https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSLktT72mKJj64CWRU92mOA
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{{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 17:47, April 19 2015 (UTC)
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=== Votes ===
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*'''<strike>Neutral</strike> Yes''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:25, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes - '''[[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 17:56, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myths]] ([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]])
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*'''Yes - '''[[User:SenyaGTA|SenyaGTA]]'''.'''
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 13:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 13:43, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 15:51, April 20, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 18:23, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:32, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
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*I think the music should be added to the game, but I don't know how they'd fit into the mission pages. <strike>If they are to be added, I think the best place would be in the radio stations page, but under a "Soundtracks" heading</strike>. As Alex said, the soundtracks from all the games should be listed in a dedicated "Soundtracks" page. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:25, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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**We'd put it in the videos section. Along with the FPS Walkthrough and Mission Walkthrough. {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 18:58, April 19 2015 (UTC)
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**Good idea, like we have a "Mission Name"/Transcript, and "Mission Name"/Walkthrough technique, we could have a "Mission Name"/Soundtrack. Which follows a separate article design. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 18:08, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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***Sounds ok to me. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 18:11, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*I like the idea of having music on pages, but I think that we should make a new "soundtrack" page if there isn't already to put all the original music from ALL the GTA games, not just GTA V (Tenpennys Theme, San Andreas). I also have another pretty swell music source: [https://www.youtube.com/user/michaeldesantarus GTA V Score]. If anyone deserves to be the "music" source on the wiki, it's this guy. He has all songs and he has who made them, too. He's solely dedicated to GTA and his videos get released within days of a new update or game. Just an idea. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 17:56, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*Tbh, he doesn't seem to have all of the scores we need. The channel I picked out has all of the mission scores, as well as Heist tracks AND Wanted Level Tracks. {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 19:10, April 19, 2015 (UTC) 
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*GTA V Score does, he even has stuff like loading music and pause menu music. The reason I thought we should make a new page is because every mission doesn't have its own score, the Assasination Missions are a great example of this. I think maybe put the ones with their own scores on the missions pages, then make a new page featuring all the misceallneous tracks. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 18:17, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree, especially because I love [[Bury The Hatchet]] and [[Minor Turbulence]]'s themes. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 13:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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*It's an interesting idea, just create an page to include all score songs in one single place and remember that this theme songs are part of the SCORE of the game, not the soundtrack, the soundtrack is composed by the songs on the radios. If I remember correctly, GTA V is the first and only game of the franchise to have an original score, right? - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 13:43, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
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**Yes you're right, Woody Jackson and Tangerine Dream composed the music in 2009 ready for GTA V's release [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 14:45, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
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*Right, closed as successful, I will contact the Youtuber and mention the vote was successful. Please do not add any of the tracks onto pages/new articles until I get the all clear. Thank You! [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 14:45, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
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*I'm reopening the vote until the all clear is given. I also gave a positive vote. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:32, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
==WE NEED MORE STAFF- Raise the Admin limit to 8==
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==Probation Expiry: [[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]==
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'''PASS'''
   
::<font color=red>'''RESOLVED:''' Proposal to raise admin limit to 8 failed. </font><b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:29, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Currently the GTA Wiki has '''3 Bureaucrat''', '''5 Admins''', & '''8 Patrollers. '''Once GTA V is fully released there will be a flood of new users. Some users will be good editors, some will unintentionally make mistakes and others will be vandals. My proposal would be to have one of 8 patrollers assigned to one of 8 admins. This would make it easy for one admin not to get overwhelmed with his duties. Of course patrollers could still contact another admin and fellow patrollers but this new reporting system would improve the responce time as in the past, vandals were not stoped for a while. It would almost be like individual teams that would make up the whole GTA staff.  I hope you all consider this great plan to assure a promt responce in any situation that could damage the GTA Wiki. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:52, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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First time so I'll lay it out for everyone. This vote is the outcome of a three month probationary period that Andre has undergone since his promotion to Patroller in January. His rights will remain and will only be lost if the vote is negative. There are eight voters, limited to administrators and bureaucrats, and 5 positive votes are required for a pass, and 5 negative votes result in a fail. Patrollers and users may comment on Andre's work since he made Patroller and throughout his probation. Anyway, down to business. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
===Proposal===
 
*3 Bureaucrats
 
*8 Admins (assigned one patroller)
 
*8 Patrollers (assigned one admin)
 
*Staff total: 19 (18.75% increase)
 
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:52, June 10, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes and No''' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 04:12, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Yes - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 04:04, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:29, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Yes - {{userlinks|Smashbro8}} 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''No''' [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:59, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 11:30, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No -''' <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 07:20, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 12:53, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:15, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Probably''' - [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 03:57, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 13:45, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No - '''[[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Leave me a message]]) 14:33 ,June 12, 2013
 
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*As I stated above this proposal is about further limiting the potential damage vandals and confussed users can do on the wiki. This "team" system will also allow for a faster responce time and more organized effort to secure the GTA Wiki agginst potential threats.
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*Andre has vastly improved since he became a Patroller. He has improved on grammar, is quick and effective and benefited from probation. Yes from me. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*I partially agree with this. I do agree that we need three more admins and patrollers to keep the Wiki smooth running. However, the staff can't be on the Wiki all day. We have lives outside the Interweb and the Wiki. That's a problem (and I contribute to that) that will never be resolved. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 04:09, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*Happy to have been proved wrong here. There may have been a couple of minor skirmishes over the last few months but nothing significant enough for me to have made a note of them to bring up here. Well done.  [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*I don't really see any logic in assigning patrollers to certain admins to report an issue. I don't think any admins are getting "overwhelmed". And about raising the amount of admins to eight seems a little high, but the release of GTA V may call for this. I'm not sure. I'll think about it. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:29, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*I vote for Andre, not only because we are good friends but because he has improved so tremendously it is amazing. His grammar has improved, his policy following has improved, everything basically has improved. He understands how to use rollback, how to solve edit wars, how to help the community in merges, talk page discussions, votes, etc, and also knows how to use warnings. He also is the "founder" of this year's chat sessions (with me being a co-founder, as we used to share chat, allowing users to join). Anyway, a big yes from me.  {{userlinks|Smashbro8}} 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*We already have enough admins and bureacrats to cover the different times zones, except the far east. The only new additions to the Bureacrat and Admin team should be from the far west or far east, so that we have strong coverage for each time zone. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:59, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Andre has come on leaps and bounds since his probation. Like Jamal said, his knowledge of all aspects of the policy has improved vastly and he's a much better editor for it. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 11:30, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*I agree we should have more admins, yesterday we were 3 active patrollers who spotted that vandal, but we couldn't stop him until an Admin logged in. Since I'm one of the patrollers who wants to be promoted in the future, my vote won't count anyway. Also, 8 Admins seems a little too much, in my opinion 7 would be enough.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup>
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*Another yes from me. Andre has proved he deserves the position more than enough. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 12:53, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*Yeah, I think it would be a good idea to have more admins, but as Dodo said, it would be a bit too much with 8. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*5 positive votes. Vote closed as pass. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 14:26, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*We don't need more admins, but we do need more patrollers: 6 admins is enough (for now) and our cuurent limit for patrollers is 8 anyway (so your proposal doesn't increases this limit). I personally think that limit for patrollers should be increased to 12.-- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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**I wanted to thank you guys for voting to whether or not I should stay, I appreciate your honesty and your opinions here, thank you guys for trusting me :) [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:37, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
*I agree with Ilan. That's why we're currently allowing requests to become a patroller. But I think we have enough admins at the moment. It's exam time for some admins, hence the current inactivity of me among others, so that may explain why nobody was available at the time. We can revisit this idea in a couple of months, if it's still an issue then we may implement some changes. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
**We will check this issue during the summer holiday. If there will be periods of time when no staff will be present I consider we should agree to make the staff bigger.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*Okay, a couple of points.
 
**First of all, Dodo, your vote does count.
 
**Secondly, I believe we should discuss whether to take on a new admin when GTA V is released, or a little beforehand, so we can deal with the inevitable bad edits, vandalism, arguments over content, and new members.
 
**Thirdly, this idea of assigning a patroller to a certain admin is not logical, and is ridiculous in my opinion. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:26, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I hadn't read the part about patrollers assigned to admins. I agree with Dan on that, and on everything else he said. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 09:48, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Not sure if this is the place to put this, but admins and bureacrats do have those boxes urging people to message us. If any one of our editors actually left me a message I would have been able to come and sort out the issue. When I was patrolling I would send messages to every last admin; if other editors did so as well, there would be a greater chance of a quick solution. I still believe that if we do we need an admin, they should be at least GMT +5. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 20:40, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Good point. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 09:48, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*If we're having more admins, make it one more, not three. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*My whole logic is that patrollers really don't have any power to stop an aggressive vandal which is why we need more editors with blocking power. The number 8 for admins makes sense since there will be 8 patrollers. The problem isn't that there is not enough patrollers, but rather there isn't enough admins. Adding three admins would fill the gaps that are missing at the moment. As it is there are vandals; once V is out, bet that number to double. Everyone has there own time they are active, so more admins would further protect the wiki. The time is now to be prepared for the near future. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:39, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* The thing about admins is that being an administrator is a much bigger deal than being a patroller. Administrators have to be patient, reliable, responsible, and knowledgeable about GTA Wiki's policies - even the unpopular ones like the [[GTA Wiki:Image Policy|Image policy]]. We've promoted one admin who would plead with vandals to pleasepleaseplease be nice instead of blocking them while they laughed in his face and kept vandalizing, and we've promoted one admin who wasn't even remotely qualified and ended up getting demoted for saying there was ''nothing for him to do''. That's why I'm very hesitant when it comes to promoting people to admin, and to opening promotion back up again. Opening up a position for one more administrator is something I'd probably vote in favor of if someone made that proposal, but another thing I want to make clear - an empty spot doesn't guarantee that any particular person's going to get the position, and an empty spot doesn't mean that there's any great urgency to fill that spot. Admins need to be qualified and reliable. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 13:44, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I agree with you. Being an admin doesn't make you god of that wiki. Most wikis I visit just to read have a crap load of admins, yet, they don't do a damn thing. Promoting someone an admin, they will go AWOL then causes disturbances and disputes. If we ever do promote a Patroller to Admin, we can't take their word for it; we need to check if the user has good, quality edits and check if the user is on good terms. As for the Patrollers, we are only given the Rollback tool Chat blocking tool. What you said about how they (we) can't stop aggressive vandals, that could be a problem. Even worse if there are no admins active. This request on this noticeboard is a yes and no to others and I and when it closes, this is something I could look back on after the release of GTA V. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 18:02, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* I'm voting '''Yes''' because of what Sasquatch just said. Once GTA V is out there will be more confused new users and vandals. It would be smarter to get new admins now and prepare, rather than later.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 16:58, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* What about the proposal to assign on admin to one patroller? My first point was that this would improve the responce time to a vandal. What I was also thinking was that it would make sure admins and patrollers are very involved, and performing their job. Of course taking a couple days off is normal, but this new system would weed out the editors that have lost interest and would freeup positions for enthusiastic editors. We could also have a reward system where the team with the most edits that month get a badge or some recognition in the wiki community. The team system would not only be a fun reward system, but a functional tool to make sure everyone is performing in their position. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:39, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
::As both I and other people have said, if anyone catches a rampaging vandal (by which I mean someone vandalizing as many pages as he can manage, not just a drive-by vandal) they shouldn't edit war with the vandal - they should inform ''all'' of the admins and b'crats and then completely ignore the vandal. Even if the vandal gets fresh and tries to remove the message, the admins will still get the "you have new messages waiting" and have the sense to check their talk page history to see what's going on if they don't see any new messages. There's no reason to assign patrollers to individual admins. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 02:59, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Ok ok, what about we raising at least to 1 more bureaucrat, and 2 admins? That wouldn't be a bad idea...
 
PS.: Arrrrrghhhh I don't have much time to see the new updates, beacause the school is killing me (not really, but you know right...). Bloody hell, I'll try to check posts, this friday ok? [[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Leave me a message]]) 14:33, June 12, 2013
 
**There'll always have to be an odd number of bureaucrats, since there are occasional bureaucrat-only votes. And what I said about promoting people to admin goes double for promoting them to b'crat. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:55, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I thought better and I changed my vote to '''No'''. I believe we should have 1 or 2 more admins, and maybe a few more patroller, but is fine for now.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
   
<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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== RfP Lock ==
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Due to recent events involving 'trollers' applying for positions, I have locked the Requests for Promotion page until another staff position comes up. The Requests for Promotion is a page that can't be vandalized due to how important it is on this wiki, so from now on, the page will be locked when staff positions aren't available. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:36, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
   
==Affiliation with Watch Dogs Wiki==
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=== Comments ===
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<nowiki>*</nowiki>What about the ones who reapply after coming back from their inactivity? I may try to reapply for patroller rights after a week or two of editing. --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 01:45, March 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
::<font color=orange>'''RESOLVED''': The margin of support falls short of the 70% required to enact the affiliation</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 01:20, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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== Enhanced Version Vehicle images in Infobox ==
I know since the beginning of time this wiki has been running completely on its own. The [http://watch-dogs.wikia.com/wiki/Watch_Dogs_Wiki Watch Dogs Wiki] has many similarities with GTA wikia; it uses similar framework as I quite like the GTA wiki setup and similar category networks. I think it would be nice if we could get some more editors interested in editing there. I don't want to put too much emphasis on the affiliation so just a picture link on the main page somewhere would be all. Also linking the two titles together could be beneficial to readers, as the two games share a lot in common as well. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:04, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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'''''Closed as unsuccessful by''''' [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 00:46, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
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Hey guys, just wondering, since the cars look much better in quality and lighting in the enhanced version of GTA V, should we get vehicle images from the enhanced version for the infoboxes? I started this a while back, but I forgot to get the rear quarters, and I saved the images in their smallest format (Like an idiot). What do you think? Is it worth it? {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 14:23, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
   
:Since (as of this post) the proposal has not quite enough votes to pass but does have majority support, as well as sporadic voter participation, it shall remain open for a few extra days. Proposals need 70% support to succeed, this one currently has 62.5%. Patrollers and admins who have not voted because they don't care are allowed to vote "no preference", "no opinion", "indifferent" or something similar. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:34, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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=== Votes ===
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*<s>'''Neutral'''</s> '''No''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 13:39, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 13:47, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 13:55, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIIIL'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 14:01, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*Yes - eventually [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 20:26, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''<s>Yes</s> Neutral''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 20:42, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 21:04, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 23:29, March 30, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*'''Disagree''' {{userlinks|Tony 1998}}
   
::5 days and one additional 'no' vote later, I'm closing this as a failed proposal. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 01:20, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
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*It's a good idea but it'll probably be better to wait for PC version - there's only two more weeks of waiting. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*That's what i meant, PC is part of Enhanced Version. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 13:37, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*Much better? From what I've seen, vehicle images from PS4/Xbone barely look different. Furthermore, each attempt to swap the X360/PS3 screenshots with new ones resulted in lower quality screenshots. Unless someone is able to add nice images, don't see the need to change. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 13:39, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*It depends on the picture, not on the platform or quality, as Rain said, some attempts to swap the original version's screenshots resulted in poorer images. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 13:47, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*As Rain and Andre said, the picture quality is the important thing. The current infobox pictures are clear enough and serve their purpose. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 13:55, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*Not worth it. The upgrade in lightining is barely noticeable and even if it was, do you honestly think that the majority of people who come to the wikia to see images of the vehicles pay attention to this kind of stuff? They are here just to see the design of the vehicle and thats it, they will not stop to see the lightning or the polygons on the image. The images that we have already do the job, thank you. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIIIL'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 14:01, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*The MoS is quite clear that the infoboxes should have the '''latest game appearance''' and there is no reason for that guideline to change. In the case of GTAV, the enhanced version of the game is the latest. The HD screengrabs DO show a lot more texture, lighting and model detail than the Snapmatic resolution shots, which is why I originally questioned whether they qualified as "fair use". However, that being said, the images should only be replaced when <span style="color:green">a better quality image</span> is available. A lot of the existing shots have far too much background interference and/or the vehicle is painted too dark/lighting is inadequate to show the design detail. I was guilty of replacing with some rushed shots taken in limited PS4 time that were admittedly worse in some aspects. I have also thrown away hundreds of PS4 screenshots because they were no better than the existing once they were examined on my PC. As has been discussed in several talk discussions, the Vehicles Manual of Style is being updated '''after the PC release''', along with the gallery design guidelines (I'm still undecided on using the gallery templates). The same rules applied to the character pages which have mostly all been replaced with enhanced version portraits with often very little graphical superiority over their low-res predecessors.  [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 20:26, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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**''"the latest game appearance"'' - Yes, game, not edition. Going by this logic, then let's update the GTA San Andreas vehicle images because the latest edition has slightly better textures (oops I forgot San Andreas is too old).<br />I'm going to repeat what 558 said and that whenever someone checks out for vehicle images they are interested in design, they do not give two fucks about light effects which are, if you don't mind, barely noticable on PS4 and Xbox One - as shown in some of the screenshots that were uploaded to the Wiki. Most of the vehicle images (they come from either DocVinewood, WildBrick of a couple of others) are of pretty good quality.<br />Something that I would support, however, is that we upload "render" images - which means we take the vehicle model from the game files and upload a front quarter view of the model with transparency. Of course, that'll require GIMP/Photoshop knowledge to add semi-transparency (that ain't really easy), but it'll be the best we can get. Simply swapping the current images with images from an edition that will have probably small changes in the vanilla edition and they won't change the vehicles images neither. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 20:35, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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**Whoa whoa whoa, not so fast, MoS says "latest appearance", yet, this is not totally applicable, see, we can't replace the [[Python]]'s main picture from a Vice City model to a Vice City Stories/Chinatown Wars model, as they came later than GTA Vice City, the same goes to [[Cuban Hermes]] and [[Diablo Stallion]], in adittion, as Rain said, the enhanced version of GTA V is not necessarily the latest appearance, as it's the same game, just more detailed, this case is different than those of characters (see [[Trevor Philips]], [[Michael De Santa]] and [[Franklin Clinton]]) which makes much more difference. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 20:43, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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**I'm with RainingPain and 558050 on this one. Enhanced ''edition'' also has this fog-like blur so instead of giving a sharp image, it looks a bit misty instead - even with a png format (can't describe it). It's not like you can even see a huge detail difference in these tiny infoboxes. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 20:49, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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***Am I the only person who uses the wiki that clicks on thumbnail images to see the '''full resolution image''' in a new browser tab? [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 20:56, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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***No, I do that too, but honestly, most people just want to search for information. They don't care about the shadows, lightning, reflections, etc. They just see image and "okay, so that's the car I saw" and move on. There are people who do look on full resolution images as well but they probably don't care about shadows/lightning/reflections, etc. Other than the image resolution messing things up, the detail on cars is extremely similar between both versions, if not the same. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 21:10, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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****I do the same thing, and, as well as the latest appearance/rendition rule applying to this, the quality is actually better, the reflections, lighting and shadowing makes the car look even better, as when the image is compressed to a smaller size to fit in the infobox, the detail stands out better, making it a very vibrant image. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 20:59, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*****I also see images in full size.[[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 21:03, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*{{rI}} Viewing image in full size is not an excuse to replace good quality screenshots such as Switch101's with crappier quality screenshot for the sole reason that they were taken on the PC edition. Afaik most of the previous titles have console screenshots, yet no one decided to complain about not being "pc ultra master hq" screenshots. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 21:08, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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**Actually it should be which one is better. I am saying if a ps3 image is better than pc then keep ps3 image. The one that looks better should be kept regardless of edition.[[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 21:19, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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***Whoa, hold one a sec. The forum was initially about swapping ''every'' GTA V vehicle screenshot with a PC one. Something I highly disagree with because there is no purpose of replacing good quality screenshots with other ones that are usually of bad quality for the sole reason of being taken on PC. Now, if we talk about swapping screenshots that are of quite bad quality with better ones taken on PC, I fully agree with this. I had noticed multiple images that aren't so good. But we could do that, assuming that the provider takes good quality screenshots. I don't mean to single out the concerned users here, but I haven't seen ''any'' vehicle screenshot from next-gen that was better than the former. I don't say I'm a good vehicle photographer, and I know how hard it is, but I'm just saying that if we can't get better quality screenshots, the swap is pointless. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 11:40, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
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*The enhanced version(PS4 Xbox one and PC) has better graphics. So yes. But new images should be of good quality not bad. As smurfynz said images should be replaced only when a better one is available.[[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 20:42, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*It's very simple really. Images should be replaced if someone uploads a better one, regardless of the edition. Of course, a good PS4 image will always have preference over a good PS3 one, but for me, the photographer is more important than the platform. For example, check [[Special:ListFiles/Switch101|Switch101]]'s vehicle images (in my opinion the best vehicle photographer of the wiki), they're from last gen but of excellent quality. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 21:04, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*Smurfy is, in my opinion the best vehicle photographer, he gets shots of the above, underside, sides and front, as well as details on badging and crash deformation, that's alot of images that sum up a car's description, origin and durability. [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 21:06, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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**Quantity and quality are two different things. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 21:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*No, I agree Switch101's are generally better lit and composed than most of my vehicle shots - apart from the occasional busy background. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 21:13, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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**Redact - It wasn't Switch that had the busy backgrounds issue. Although if you look at his earliest uploads, he did have lighting and "fish-eye" compositional issues until he learned how to use the snapmatic lens properly, similar to issues I had with PS4 depth of field etc. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 21:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*I think it is safe to close this as unsuccessful. There should be no specific "project" instigated to replace all GTA V vehicle images solely for the sake of replacement with higher resolution shots, but, like any other image on the wiki, if a '''better image''' is available, there should be nothing preventing '''any editor''' from uploading it. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:04, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
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*Smurf and I had a discussion about that a few days ago when it came to changing the Kuruma and Savage infobox images into enhanced version images. A lot of editors such as WildBrick, Switch 101, and Doc managed to add very high quality images from their original versions. To me there's hardly a difference between enhanced and original version images and some are quite poorer to me than the original versions. Also, like everyone else said, quality matters. There's lots of enhanced version images that aren't even that good to me, while some images such as the Heists Update vehicle infobox images are very high quality images which were taken on the original version. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 23:29, March 30, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
   
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==Transcript in mission pages==
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Closed as '''''successful''''' by [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:24, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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Should transcript be allowed in mission pages again? I remember there used to be transcripts but they were mass removed for some reason. [[User talk:Opasen#Transcripts|Apparently it is violating copyright]] even though this is kinda silly because this wiki has worse things than transcripts in pages. I fail to see how it violates copyright, considering we have images of pretty much everything, videos of every mission that have audio/walkthrough/transcript and snippets of game file code to help with many different pages. [http://pl.gta.wikia.com/wiki/The_Cousins_Bellic#Scenariusz Many] [http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/Exodus_in_America/dialogues different] [http://maxpayne.wikia.com/wiki/Prologue_%28The_American_Dream%29#Transcript wikis] [http://mafiagame.wikia.com/wiki/The_Old_Country/Transcript also] [http://saintsrow.wikia.com/Canonized#Transcript have] [http://watchdogs.wikia.com/wiki/Bottom_of_the_Eighth/Transcript them] and ''noone'' complains about copyright even if it's a R* game wiki (or an actual GTA Wiki but in different language). And I'm pretty sure if there was an actual copyright thing made by R* to begin with, it would have most likely expired just like the "no cutscenes" in IV.
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Should they be re-added again? (Ignore the fact that it takes up much space or any other technical difficulties. I can easily make it take up little to no space and fix said difficulties.) [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:07, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 19:04, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes - '''[[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Message]]) 15:52, June 13, 2013
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIIIL'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 19:39, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes -''' <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 19:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:50, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:00, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 20:05, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]])
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 20:14, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 14:13, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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===Comments===
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 14:02, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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*As said above. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*[[w:c:callofduty:Executive Order/Transcript|One more to the list]]. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 19:04, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Yes please. I see transcripts in so many wikias and its ridiculous that we don't have any of these. Its helpfull and pratical so why not? - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIIIL'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 19:39, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Same as 558. [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 19:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree, they were one of the first things I edited before they were removed and I too do not understand their copyright. I'd help you make them too. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:00, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Request is closed as successful so let's do this. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:25, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Which way should we handle this? Write down what happens in the background (i.e. "Niko gets off the boat and Roman arrives in his taxi" quotes "Niko gets in the cab" quotes, etc.) or do it the simple way Saints Row wiki does (i.e. "cutscene" quotes "gameplay" quotes, etc.)? [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 20:32, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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**I'd say the first option. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 20:38, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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**I'd go with the first one too. I'm starting to do the first mission of GTA San Andreas by the way. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:40, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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**Also, should we include links in the transcript? [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:42, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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**Noted. I'll start off with GTA III. And IMO, links should be only in the character and scenario. Not in quotes just like in the main page. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 21:36, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Are we 100% sure it's not a copyright violation? Why were transcripts removed? [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 20:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*They were claimed to be copyright to the new admins by the old admins after the community split. I don't think they are copyright, and if they are then [[User:RockstarPressUK|RockstarPressUK]] will let us know. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:49, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*The idea for transcripts being copyright violation is non-sense. If its true, then Rockstar must be the only developer concerned about this kind of stuff, since hundreds of wikias have transcripts and they never faced this kind of problem. Also, Red Dead and L.A. Noire wikia have transcripts and Rockstar never bothered neither of those wikias with copyright allegations. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIIIL'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 20:56, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Regarding the GTA V transcripts, it's going to be a bit more difficult. The characters constantly taunt their enemies during gunfights, and there are multiple dialogue options (such as when you die, the dialogue's gonna be a bit differnt), and furthermore, there are missions where the dialogue changes depending which missions you completed first. For the multiple options things, we could use tabbers, although I don't know if it's worth keeping the taunting quotes as in some missions they will occupy more than a half of the transcript. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 11:02, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*Not just GTA V, I played "Off Route" from TLaD last night and Johnny used a variety of quotes. With the HD Universe missions, I'd only quote the dialogue used in cutscenes or when the characters are "passive" (i.e. driving to/from a certain point in the mission), as that dialogue is almost always be the same. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 11:10, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with tabs for different quotes and instead of writing all of the taunts, I just wrote what was happening in the mission. You can see this on [[Sweet & Kendl/Transcript]] after the Ballas start their drive-by.
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*I had started drafting a comment along these lines earlier today but got sidetracked by IRL stuff. There is a lot of dialogue (and even alternate cutscenes) throughout the series but more prevalent in HD universe titles that depends not only on what mission paths you have completed before the current mission, but also what "determinant" decisions you have made. There can also be additional dialogue in GTAV missions depending on which character you are starting the mission with. That's why I'm standing back from this project and I'll leave you guys to deal with the headaches of how to present variable scripts. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 11:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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*Unless it's part of the script, no taunts. Even if it appears in subtitles, if it's something that constantly appears over and over again (i.e. Niko shouts "motherfuckers" then he has civilized discussion with Roman, LJ, Packie, whatever and then suddenly shouts "motherfuckers" again as he starts shooting at enemies again.).<br /><small><small><small><small><small>Calling dibs on LCS and IV</small></small></small></small></small> [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 11:38, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
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==Who changed the theme?==
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And why?
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The previous colors were the best!! <small><small><small><small>pls change it back</small></small></small></small> [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 16:18, March 28, 2015 (UTC)<br /><small><small>PS: The community noticeboard is a suitable place to discuss this, right?</small></small>
   
 
===Comments===
 
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*It doesn't really important if the two titles share similar features, as even the wikis with the most different subjects can become affiliated. I do think, however, this is a very good idea and may open a door us to affiliate with more Wikis. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:07, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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*I don't know, I've been trying to change them back. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 16:26, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*To say Watch Dogs Wiki should be an affiliate to the GTA Wiki really makes no sense. It is not related to GTA in any way; that alone should be the deal killer. Saints row is a GTA clone, and has very similar attributes, but it is not GTA and therefore should not be able to tap into the GTA network. Grand Theft Answers and Rockstar Games Wiki should really be the ones considered affiliates at the moment. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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**Main color was #222222 and buttons were #444444 (luckily I had a page open in another tab)[[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 16:29, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*#You don't seem to understand the affiliation concept; (as ILan pointed out) the topics don't have to be similar in order for an affiiliation to be made; do some research - look at other wikis that belong to affiliate groups. One thing that I love about Wikia is the community that exists and the various wikis with interesting information, social integration is something tha we could do with, for our own editors and maybe to attract new talent.
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**Thank god for that. I've changed it back now. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 16:31, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*#Plus it would be good for readers to have quicker access to other wikis that we affiliate with. Limiting our affiliation just to GTA-related wikis, kind of defeats the object of community integration and linking.
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**Anyone notice a change in the source editor? I'm getting highlighted words when I type. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:18, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*#<span style="line-height:21px;">"</span>''It is not related to GTA in any way''<span style="line-height:21px;">" - a view that indicates little research done before speaking. I suggest people do some research before voting if they wish to agree with this statemnt. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 09:39, June 13, 2013 (UTC)</span>
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**@Leon Davis, I definitely am seeing this. The whole source editor is made up of highlighted words in different colors. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 18:20, March 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*Well I see no problem to affiliate with other wiki, and plus as Ilan said, it's a good idea... [[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Message]]) 15:52, June 13, 2013
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***It's the new [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Kirkburn/Syntax_highlighting_-_helping_you_read_and_write_code syntax highlighting]. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 18:21, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*It's a good idea! Also, we should list the Rockstar Games Wiki too.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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***I like it, it's really helpful and makes it look less dull. It also helps to highlight if you've made a mistake. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 18:33, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
*Go ahead. And like Dodo said, you should add the [http://rockstargames.wikia.com/Main_Page Rockstar Games Wiki] too. [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:50, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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***I love the Source editor code highlighting, just like using Notepad++. I was trying to teach 558050 to use a text editor to highlight nested IF functions in a template this week, this does it for us! (almost) no excuse for missing closure tags now! [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 21:42, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
**Credit to Sasquatch, it was his idea :) <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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***I'm a bit neutral about this. I like the help with the highlights (shows me where I left out a tag or something) but honestly, it's sometimes more confusing and distracting than text without highlights. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 11:40, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
**In that case, good idea Sasquatch. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:52, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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**Thanks. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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==Chat Moderators==
**@Jbanton, You have a real pissy tone in your responce to the comment I made which is a sign that you are a very insecure person. Now thats out of the way, you should look at the wikis that are GTA wiki affiliates and note it's only GTA related.  I very much understand the affiliates concept as I was the one who lobbied for an affiliates section on this wiki. I know you have been fighting to get your foot in the door over at "watch dogs wiki" as an admin, but that is no reason to use the GTA Wiki name as a way to boost activity on an ill qualified wiki. YOU who should be looking out for this wiki, not others you are trying to boot activity on for your own reputation. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
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'''''Closed as unsuccessful by''''' [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 23:22, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
**#We don't have affiliates, hence why I have this proposal here.
 
**#You really should research; I've been an admin there for a little while actually, your misconceptions and naivety ''("use the GTA Wiki name as a way to boost activity on an ill qualified wiki")'' are uncalled for and poorly founded.
 
**#GTA Wiki belongs to Wikia, editors don't have to pledge full allegiance to one topic. Also this is not the place for (poorly researched) personal atacks. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 07:04, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
***Stop it, guys. You're part of the GTA Staff, you shouldn't fight eachother.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
***Enough! No more personal attacks. Both of you need to calm down.  - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:34, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I'm not sure if we are allowed to add amendments or that sort of thing to proposals, but could we also affiliate with other Rockstar title wikis, such as [[w:c:reddead|Read Dead Wiki]] and Midnight Club wiki? [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 17:19, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Nah, I think we should be affiliated or "allied" to Wikis only with the Rockstar Games as the developer/publisher, Watch Dogs could be a nice game but it has nothing to share with GTA. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*It's nothing against Watch Dogs Wiki, but in my experience "affiliated wikis" never leads to anything good and usually leads to a fight between the wikis when malcontents from one jump over to the other and start causing problems. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 03:12, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I think so, because then we can build a bridge in a way for larger communitys joining the Watch Dogs wiki and to here as well. [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 14:15, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This has now run for a little over a week. Five votes in favour versus three against. I'm guessing this can be closed as the motion having passed. I have taken on board Jeff's comment and will do my best to ensure that nonsene and trolls are not shared, mainly by stamping them out in the first place at the affiliated wiki. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 07:54, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Edit Requirement==
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<nowiki> </nowiki>I have noticed that there has been an increased use of chat lately so I was thinking, should we promote 2 or 3 users who aren't already staff members to be chat moderators? I personally think it would be a good idea. What do you guys think? [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
::<font color=red>'''FAILED'''</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:30, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
I've noticed that some staff members (I won't name names) are inactive sometimes. So to ensure that the GTA Wiki staff is active and doing their job properly, we should have a "three strike rule". What I'm saying is that  if a staff member didn't produce 30 edits at the end of the month, that person would recieve "a strike". And if that peticular staff member recieved three stikes in one year, he or she would be demoted. This sytem would make sure every staff member is quallified for their job and flush out the ones who are not. This would also possibly open up staff positions for people who are quallified for the job, rather than the ones who are not. For an active and quallified staff member 30 edits a month should not be a problem; if it is, then you are not cut out for the job and are just holding up precious staff positions. One edit a day is not too much to ask for. And to make sure every staff member is producing 30 edits a month, three trusted editors at the end f each month whould check every one of the staffs contributions.
 
====Proposition:====
 
*30 edits are required each month by a staff member.
 
*If 30 edits are not executed, that staff member will recieve a strike.
 
*If a staff member recieves three strikes in a year, he or she is demoted.
 
*Edit counters - Three trusted staff members who check the staff's contributions each month.
 
Please vote and leave a comment. Thankyou.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:44, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:47, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 20:16, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*'''No''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 20:50, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''No''' [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:06, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 12:50, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 23:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Absolutely Not''' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 15:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''No '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''Yes, great idea!''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 20:11, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*I think this is a great idea, and is an easy edit requirement for a staff member. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:47, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*Most of the times there are people in chat there is at least one patroller/admin in. So I'm not sure we need more. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 20:16, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*This would be useless if the staff member knows the rule. It ain't that hard to produce 30 edits a month.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*When the chat is on, usually me, Sam or Smashbro are in the chat, we are chat moderators too. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 20:50, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*Thirty edits are quite easy to produce, and the staff are required to have administration skills, not just editing. Also the introduction of the system would penalise users who produce edits that add a lot to articles, but come in lower amounts. Finally, we have the sixty day rule, so I don't think the addition of a new system is really necessary. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 12:57, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*As the others have said, since Patrollers are "security guards", chat moderation would come under "security", which all Patrollers are automatically promoted to. There's no need to create two roles for work which one Patroller can do alone. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 23:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*Unnecessarily bureaucratic. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*I don't think it's necessary, staff members are doing their work already. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
*So let me get this straight, you want to demote Staff members that are inactive for a month? What about users who have a reason for being inactive? Is Messi going to be demoted because of his medical reasons? Is Jeff going to be demoted because he in in West Virginia? Am I going to be demoted because I can't edit all the time because I'm on vacation? Seems to me that you didn't quite think this out wholly. There is a rule on the [[GTA Wiki:Staff]] page for users who are inactive for no given reasons. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 15:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*Due to me, Andre, and Monkeypolice taking over the Chat, we have the ability to ban and kick troublesome users in chat, which makes giving two new users rollback rights unnecessary. I constantly watch over the chat to make sure everything is running smoothly once I am in it. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
**Tony is right. Next year I will be in the eighth grade. In my country, we have to learn very, very, very much for the Romanian and Maths exams, which are very difficult. I won't be active all day during this period, but I'll try to check the wiki at least once a day. Being a staff member doesn't means you have to produce many edits, but to keep the wiki off vandals and check issues.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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**Chatmod rights come without rollback rights. The question is about if we should give chatmod status to users that regularly come into chat. Not if we need two more patrollers. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 06:49, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
**Tony said all of what I wanted to say. [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:27, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*We have patrollers to do this job, two of which are normally on chat so I'm closing the vote as unsuccessful. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 23:22, March 27, 2015 (UTC)
**I really agree with this idea, it was one of the most brilliant ideas I ever saw, so, there's a lot of "newbies" who been keeping a hard work in the edits and they have not the chance to become a standard (so sorry). And if one of the staff member did not his part in a month, he should be "expelled". In my part I think things have been done good, the 1000 edits in March and I really excuse my absence in the months of April and May in cause of someones death in my family. Today no one of the staff's member is going inactive so that's good. So sorry about the newbies but I agree with your idea and I think your idea needs to be applied. Like Dodo I'm too in the eight grade and I need to learn a lot but, I always try to help the Wikia meanwhile these days.. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I believe those who are extremely inactive (not editing for more than a few months; not responding to messages) should be considered for demotion, but "strike" thingy would be too difficult to accomplish.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
:::Users such as Bob.cutlass2, Haruhi, and GTANiKo are prime examples of long inactive users. The "strikes" effect is problematic and unprofessional, it's like playing baseball. Each users' contributions should be checked, should the users go inactive without any reasons. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 18:34, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::We have a policy that says anyone who goes inactive for 3 months is automatically demoted to patroller. As far as people who are barely active but who edit just often enough to keep from getting demoted, I suppose the way to handle that would be for someone to file a request for demotion against them. But what kind of work they do should also be taken into consideration, as should whether they intend to become active again when GTAV comes out. It can be assumed that editors who get promoted are among the best of editors, and punishing them for not being active should be done reluctantly. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 23:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::::This sounds like a great idea to keep the wiki running strongly. I think the 30 edit requirement is fine, and if someone can't even tack up 30 edits a month then they have probably lost interest altogether. Waiting for V shouldn't be an excuse for long periods of not contributing, or very little as we are all waiting for V and there are still plenty of things to improve apon. It's a yes for me it really shouldn't scare anyone that is activley involved. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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== Administration Election ==
*This concept is massively flawed. Firstly, an editor could write 20 complete articles in a month, and be given a strike for inactivity, that's ludicrous. It isn't about the edit count, it's about the significance of each edit. Secondly, we have a policy in place, and we demote inactive users, the current system is much more professional. The three strike idea is such a primary school concept. I could think of more flaws in this idea, but that's redundant now, I think I've got my point across. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:07, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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Closed SJ Walker (5) 558050 (3)
*I know this wiki doen't like change, but I suggested this idea in the first place because I believe the current one (which is that you'll be demoted if you're inactive for three months) isn't working. I hate to say, but Winter Moon abuses the current rule by doing one or two edits a month just to keep his admin position. If this new rule was put into place he would be gone quickly, opening up an admin position for a patroller who deserves it. This rule would keep this from happening again. Sure the rule can bend a bit if your on vacation or something, or you have many large edits. But five large edits a month I believe aren't enough to be part of the staff. Being part of the staff is a priveledge, not a right.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:40, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It also seems unfair that if you can't contribute 30 edits, you are demoted. What about Winter Moon? He is out, yet he can still edit here snd there to maintain his position and stay active. If you see my rant similar to this, you'll see what I'm talking about. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 11:18, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::To exemplify what Tom, was saying; If a user makes only twenty-five edits like [http://gta.wikia.com/Unnamed_Truck?diff=prev&oldid=430921 this], [http://gta.wikia.com/Dewbauchee_GT?diff=prev&oldid=383188 this] or [http://gta.wikia.com/Maibatsu_Sports_Coup%C3%A9?oldid=422600 this], they would still be punsihed although they had gone to the effort of adding over half a gigabyte's worth of information. The system is fine as it is. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:48, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This vote has ended, but I feel I need to add my two cents on this. So here it goes. Winter Moon has not abused any rule. He has every right to edit as little as possible, as he might be busy with his life outside this wiki. That is what some people can never fathom on here, people have lives outside this wiki. I hope a stupid proposal like this never pops up again. If it does, I shall delete it immediately, as in my opinion, it is nothing but trolling. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I agree. Not only it is trolling, but it is ''greed''. This purposal is actually wanting inactive staff to go demoted so current patrollers or normal good editors can apply for promotion. In a way, you, Messi, were inactive due to medical reasons. That's excuseable. Most staff go inactive without any reasons (sans Winter Moon). Hypotheticly speaking, if this purposal came to fruitition, inactive admins would go inactive and it would have made room for patrollers, wanting to become admin so badly. Same thing for patrollers; I'm inactive, but I have a reason for that. If I get demoted, Instulent and/or Kingrrhem would get my position. That's is just greed and it is awfully unfair and wrong. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 23:45, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Edit guide for new users who don't know how to edit and use the Wikia==
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As I am now bureaucrat there is a vacancy for my former adminstrator position. [[User:558050|558050]] and [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] are the most qualified patrollers, due to the fact that two were recently demoted and two are on probation. Set up your votes below. Unlike a request for promotion, you should write the user's name and your signature as opposed to a yes or no.
: '''<font color = blue>Idea extended below this purposal</font> --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:12, June 26, 2013 (UTC) 
 
So, let put the cards on the table, I have an idea and I think it should be applied. The point is, new users ( a lot of people with less then 10 edits who started their accounts few days ago ) and they simply start editing the pages, without to have the knowledge and sense, how it works and how to use the Wikia ( edits formation, use of the talk page ). That's why I started to "keep an eye" in these users, normally I check the Wiki Activity everyday and I see edits from newbies, 50% from these edits are completely wrong, ( having nothing to share with gta, catastrophic grammar, messing up the pages ) and unfortunately I need to revert it, after this I always post in their talk pages a little advice and help how to edit and they don't even answer it. So my idea is, when someone creates an account, he/she should receive a edit guide and read it all before start editing in the Wikia, that should help them. I appreciate your positive acknowledgment.
 
--'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 20:31, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
===Votes===
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===[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]===
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:36, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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====About me====
*''Yes'' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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I'm Sam, I've been a patroller for just over two months. I am still learning my way around in some areas and can occasionally undo correct edits, but I am also quick at spotting vandals, and can give advice to any user who needs it, likewise those who need a "talking to" in certain areas. I try to look at disputes from a netural point of view and listen to both sides before making a decision. I am aware that on occasions I can be seen as "picking on" certain users, but I try and treat everyone equally and attempt to come to a civilised and reasonable conclusion to any disputes. Positive and negative feedback is welcome. Thank you for reading this. Best of luck to 558050 as well. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 01:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:08, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
   
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===[[User:558050|558050]]===
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====About me====
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Hello, fellow wikia contributors. I have been contributing to this wikia for 17 months by now, almost one year and a half, during this time I acquired a lot of experience editing articles and dealing with other users. My contributions here include the creation of dozens of articles, plus major updates to already existing articles, more recently [[Fleeca Job - Kuruma|the]] [[Fleeca Job - Scope Out|online]] [[The Fleeca Job|heists]] [[The Prison Break|pages]].
   
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I'm always trying to be friendly with other users and resolve any kind of issue as polite as possible, but I'm not afraid to be a little rough if the situation demands it.
   
===Comments===
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My grammar was improved since my promotion to patroller, so I think that this will not be a problem anymore. Thanks for you attention. Good luck to Sam and goodbye. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIIIL'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 01:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
*Then, as well as the "Welcome" automated message, there should be an automated "Edit guide" too. Not sure every newbie'd read it anyways, but it's worth giving a try. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:38, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Actually, I thought of something even better that that flimsy automated message and the Edit Guide....... '''A Welcome/Greet New Users Template. '''I will create it. It will say the usual good faith of new users and ones new to Wikia, the Wikia Editing Guide link, Contents of GTA Wiki (i.e. Vehicles, Weapons, Characters etc. organized in links to take them into category pages about the such. If they need any help, I will provide the links to the Staff rank category page. How's that? Best Idea so far? [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:*Good idea, T. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 10:17, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:*Nice one T, that would be even more better. - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:10, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
 
:*Sounds good. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
:*This sounds like a good idea.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
 
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==The "Welcome New Users" Template Layout==
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=== Votes ===
In continuation of [[User:Thomas0802|Tom's]] purposal above, I had concocted an idea on how to make new users of GTA Wiki or Wikia, in general. The '''Welcome New Users '''Template. This new template will replace the currently used (and bland) "Welcome" automated message and will make the user understand what is done around here or around in Wikia.
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*[[User:558050|558050]] - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 01:28, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*558050 - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 02:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''[[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]]''' - [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 02:44, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*SJWalker - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 06:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*558050 - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:55, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*[[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*[[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] - [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*SJWalker - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 01:34, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
   
I am still writing the template's coding, but I am not going to reveil it because if I do and this purposal gets all "''No's''", it will just be a waste of time, vice versa, if "''Yes's''" are a majority of the "''No's''", then I will reveil it.
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=== Comments ===
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*I'm undecided at the moment, both Sam and 558 have awesome editing skills, I'll have to think about this for a while before voting. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 01:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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**After hours thinking, I finally decided and my vote goes to Sam, 558 has administrative skills, like asking to rename lots of pages, having a higher knowledge about the series (not to mention that he resurrected the GTA CW mission pages), however, Sam quickly detect sockpuppets and quickly report vandals, which for me is the best point to vote for him, sorry 558, but I can't vote for both. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 01:34, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with Andre. I'm also undecided. Both of you are amazing editors. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 01:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*I had to think about. SJWalker is an excellent editor and is great at cleaning up pages, however, 558050 is more active and has a higher edit counter. SJWalker may have better English, but that is because 558050 is Brazillian. Nothing personal, Sam. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 01:28, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*This is difficult. Weighing up who I think would make the best admin right now (558) vs who I think would probably make the better admin in the long term (Sam). Another couple of months and this vote probably would have gone the other way. Whoever "loses" this vote in the end, you are both doing a great job and it will not be a reflection on your capabilities. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 02:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*This is a tough one! You both are very good editors and I think both of you have made an excellent contributions to the GTA Wiki, but I gotta' pick SJWalker/ Sam on this one. In debates he's always had a good habit of looking at the situation (as he stated himself) with a neutral standpoint that doesn't really pick a "side" until he's seen the two reasons for why or why not. That's a good quality in a person higher up in the commmunity. He also has pretty good grammer and I almost never see mistakes in that area. If there's one thing I think he could improve on, it's looking into something a little more and doing a little more research, but the last time this was a problem was a month or two ago, and that was minor. That isn't to say that 558050 is bad, in fact it's pretty close and I appreciate 558050 just as much, but there can only be one, and that one is SJWalker for the reasons stated. Good luck to both of you! [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 02:44, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*Do we really need to rush on promoting a new administrator?<br />If it's important, then my vote goes for Sam. Pretty much for the reasons that were alreayd mentioned by Mortsnarg. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 06:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*This is a tough choice, I think both deserve the position. I will vote later. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 10:34, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*:First of all I agree with Rain, is promoting a new administrator really needed now? In any case, I finally decided to vote for Sam. He spots and reports vandals, cleans up pages, has a very good grammar and is a level-headed person. 558050 is a great editor as well, but sadly I can't vote for both. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*No offense to Sam, who is too a great staff member, but I feel 558 is more qualified at this moment in time. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:55, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with Rain and Doc, it's not necessary to hurry for a new admin. The wiki can run smoothly with vacant spots, like how it did when me, CJ Jr. and Leon Davis were the only admins. I just feel we need more rules and protections to the Requests for Promotion page so users don't troll and make a request thinking they will get promoted. That other user's request should be deleted. Anyway, since I sadly cannot pick both when both SJ Walker and 558050 do excellent work here, I'd pick Sam for the same reasons as DocVinewood's. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*Our new administrator is SJWalker! [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 01:47, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
   
Here is the template's layout will be:
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== Mission Pages Cleanup ==
*'''"Welcome to GTA Wiki!" '''
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A notice to all users; a majority of the mission pages need a major cleanup. The quotes have links, the grammar is poor and the pages are poorly assembled. If you can, check over the pages so that they can be cleaned up. If you don't know what qualifies as a page needing cleanup, add the template so another user can clean up the page. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 07:34, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
**'''Introduction about the wiki and what's on here'''
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*Yeah, I noticed that, i'm checking out articles that needs a cleanup, [[User:SJWalker|Sam]] is working on it. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:08, March 22, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''"Contents" --What we have on the wiki; category (or other) links to them.'''
 
**'''GTA Games'''
 
**'''Characters'''
 
**'''Weapons'''
 
**'''Vehicles (With the Manual of Style/Vehicles description/link alongside it.)'''
 
*'''"Policies" --Brief introduction about the policies. If they want to see it all, there will be a link to it. Also, an Edit Guide (if we have one).'''
 
**'''~~Number of the common policies'''
 
**'''~~'''
 
**'''~~'''
 
*'''Contacting the Staff'''
 
**'''Patrollers'''
 
**'''Admins'''
 
**'''Bureaucrats'''
 
*'''"Outroduction" --good faith/luck to the new editors'''
 
   
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==Updating policy: Trainers==
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'''''Closed as <font color="green"> Successful</font>'''''<font color="green"> </font> by''''' '''''[[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 01:23, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think it is possible to replace the current automated message with this template in mediawiki.css, but we have to find out first. This will familiarize new users, who are new to editing, to understand how things work around here, where to contact staff members if vandal bombardment is going on, etc.
 
   
Also if this template is succesful, I will be applying it on my upcoming wiki and our afilliates.
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This has been on my mind for the last couple of days, as I've seen a couple of articles with posts relating to the use of trainers. Since the policy prohibits images of modified vehicles, I think this should be extended to include trainers and modification tools. As Leon clarified for me last night, any information should be related to GTA as Rockstar created it, so any modification or trainer-related posts should be removed. The way I see it, since only stock photos of vehicles are allowed, only information relating to the "stock" game should be included too. I hope I've written this in a way that makes sense, and I'd love to know what you all think about this. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 22:07, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
Staff Members are welcome to add, alter, or change the WNU layout in the '''Comments'''.
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Question - Should we prohibit Mods/Trainers in articles?
   
[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:12, June 26, 2013 (UTC) 
 
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 05:40, June 27, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 22:10, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:49, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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*<s>'''Neutral '''</s> '''Yes'''- [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 22:17, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes ''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*'''Ofc''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes'''- [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 23:59, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
   
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===Comments===
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* It gets a little curly when you see what happened after the community split. For a short while, GTAwiki was thought of as the home of modded content. Thankfully that was stopped but there are still remnants scattered throughout the article content. I agree with Leon, the wiki should be "official content only" except for a small number of articles dedicated to [[Modifications]]. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 22:13, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
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*This can be a bit rough, some vehicles such as the [[Andromada]], [[Brickade]] and [[FBI Truck]] can only be spawned with trainers, same with weapons and characters, so I agree to forbid pictures of mods, unofficial content and partially revealed content, but not content (vehicles, weapons and other content) which is in the game, but unavailable without trainers. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 22:17, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
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**They are part of the vanilla game. It's official content. Mentioning that these are spawner mod-exclusives because they were cut is OK. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
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**I see your point there Andre. If the policy is changed, a link could be posted to the GTA Mods Wiki or GTA Fanon Wiki for anyone who wants to add mod-content. I'm probably going to contradict my argument here but a brief sentence explaining they can be spawned via mods would be acceptable, but not to reference specific mods or methods of modding (i.e. tweaking files). If the vehicles are in the files then they still exist in the game, so they technically aren't modded "into" the game because they're already there. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 22:27, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
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**Exactly, it's acceptable to say that the mentioned vehicles are only obtainable with mods or trainers, but it's unacceptable to say "The Dukes can perform a wheelie, but to do this, you'll need to mod the game". [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 22:39, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
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*Yes and that's something that I was removing a while ago. The [[Modifications]] page has no purpose other than advertising. Saying that the graphics of San Andreas can be improved through modding is completely irrelevant. If anyone want to edit content about mods they should go to the GTA Fanon Wiki. This is GTA Wiki, aka ''official'' content, not fan-made content. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
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**Changed my vote then, I agree with you. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 22:27, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
   
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== Media Policy: A New-Look Image Policy ==
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''Closed as '''successful''' by'' [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:33, March 6, 2015 (UTC).
   
===Comments===
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This has been lingering around the wiki for a few days. A policy about uploading videos to the wiki has been suggested by [[User:AndreEagle17|Andre]]. My idea;
*I think it needs a bit more planning, but it is a good idea. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:57, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Extra, Non-Related Idea:''' I think we could add flags near our name on the Staff page so if the user is Portuguese for example, he might contact Mickey.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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We add info to the image policy about uploading videos and rename it the ''Media Policy''. It will be in one location for users to understand how to add both images and videos here.
*I wrote the coding in exactly 25 minutes:
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* '''ALL''' videos must have a clear picture and clean audio.
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* All videos must be copyrighted to show who the video belongs to, the video's site and Rockstar Games.
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** All videos have to be GTA related.
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* Videos '''MUST NOT''' violate other policies such as leaked information.
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* Videos must have an extra copyright if it features music.
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Feel free to add to the policy and vote on whether or not we should implement this. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 09:02, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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=== Votes ===
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* '''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 09:02, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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* '''Yes '''- [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 11:25, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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* '''Yes''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 13:51, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 13:55, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 18:03, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></small></sup> 21:12, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
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*Absolutely, i've seen quite a few pages with videos which contravene these rules. {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}}
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*I would add that videos should not contain any form of self-promotion (audio or text) or advertising apart from a watermark (we obviously have to allow this since we are using GTASeriesVideos we can't really say it is prohibited like we do for still images). [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></small></sup> 21:12, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
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*The vote is closed and the image policy has been renamed media policy and updated. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:39, March 6, 2015 (UTC)
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==Missions in GTA 2==
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I was just writing this to let you guys know who want to get some edits that most of the missions in GTA 2 still need infoboxes and images. To get the images, watch GTA Series Videos play the mission on Youtube, print screen it while it is saying the mission name and then crop it in an editing application such as Paint.NET. I'm currently doing it as well but I'm going to have to continue tomorrow as I am going shortly.
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Also, the missions in GTA 1 are pretty much a lost cause because I can't find videos of the missions anywhere to get images or even an understanding of what happens in the mission. If anyone can do either of these things then that would be great.
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Thanks, [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 23:55, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
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==Patroller to Administrator Qualification Criteria==
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Closed as unsuccessful - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 23:55, January 31, 2015 (UTC)
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===Background===
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A week ago, [[User:Leon Davis|Leo]] made an [http://gta.wikia.com/GTA_Wiki:Requests_for_Promotion?diff=740986&oldid=740933 update] to the [[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion|RfP]] rules to add the probation period for new Patrollers as had been agreed by the Bureaucrats and Admins. At the same time he also changed the line relating to experience required for applicants to the Administrator role.
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{{q|To qualify for administrator rights, editors must have been active for four months with no rules violations.|Prior version}}
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{{q|To qualify for administrator rights, editors must have been active patrollers for four months with no rule violations.|Revised version}}
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This was probably an outcome of a [[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy#Question|discussion]] [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|Tom]] had been involved in with with [[User talk:WildBrick142#RE: Question 2|Wildbrick142]] about that section but he had stated
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{{q|I think you would be best if you ran for Patroller first just to make it "fair" so that you get promoted in the same way as everyone else and then a month or two later you could run for admin.|Tom replying to Wildbrick142}}
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As I [[User talk:Leon Davis#Promotion from Patroller to Admin|discussed]] with Leo [[User talk:Smurfynz#NG Vehicle Images|at the time]], I probably agree with the change (despite it directly impacting my personal agenda), but I don't believe it was an authorized rule update and it should be discussed and agreed by Admin/Bureaucrat staff before being added. Similarly to the Probation discussion, Patrollers and editors should not get a say in this discussion as we would have a vested interest in retaining the status quo. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></small></sup> 01:43, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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===Bureaucrat and Admin only vote===
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====Votes====
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*<strike>'''Yes '''</strike> '''No'''[[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 02:00, January 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User talk:McJeff|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]])
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*'''No''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:37, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 10:01, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 15:44, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 00:19, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
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====Discussion (all editors welcome) ====
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*I don't want to just say "if you've been blocked you can never be promoted" because it's not necessary. We've had multiple editors who got blocked, realized that this wasn't one of those online communities that doesn't actually enforce its rules, cleaned up their act and went on to be administrators. If there are outstanding behavior concerns about any editor running for promotion, those concerns should be brought up during the voting - that's what the vote is for in the first place, and that's why it's supposed to last for a week. As for length of time an editor has to be editing to be eligible to promote, I don't have much of a problem with such a thing but I don't really think it's necessary. Lack of being active long enough is always brought up when new editors go for a promotion too soon, and we've also had a couple particularly good editors show up and get promoted more quickly than usual. Basically, I feel it's better to consider every editor individually rather than try to make ironclad rules, because ironclad rules tend to do more harm than good in the long run. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User talk:McJeff|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 02:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*After reading what McJeff said, I'm on his side. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 02:32, January 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*Since Jeff is happy to include all editors in the discussion (but not the vote), I would suggest Leo's edit requires a minor semantic change: ''To qualify for administrator rights, <span style="color:orange">patrollers</span> must have been active for four months with no rule violations.'' [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></small></sup> 03:02, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree about keeping the "four months as a patroller to become an admin" rule. Experience should be an important aspect to be promoted, and I was never a fan of promoting people who are in the wikia for one or two months just because their edits are good, It makes the promotion seems way too easy and insignificant. Making it take longer not just makes the person who wants to get the promotion work harder, but also make him valorize the position more when he finally get it, with also reduces the chances of him resigning too soom. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIIIL'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 03:19, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*To reitirate. I made an alteration to the admin area as it said ''Users must have been active for four months.'' I figured, being a first time users never usually make admin first, they have to become patrollers. I changed the word users to patrollers. I figured it would make more sense. I changed this when I added the information about probationary periods for patrollers to the Requests for Promotion page. If people were confused, tell me, and then if it made more sense then I could have changed it back. I don't think users should be allowed to skip Patroller and make admin. It just can't justified. I also believe we don't need to change anything about administrator rights. I voted no. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 04:37, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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* Man, I really must not have been as clear in the way I had written this out as I thought I was.
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** I'm not suggesting I thought the rule wording meant editors could skip the Patroller step, although that was a little ambiguous and probably needed clarifying, as shown by the question Wildbrick posed to Tom. 
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::: Prior to Leo's edit, the way the rule was written and the way I understood it, any Patroller with a '''total of 4 months editing '''could have applied for Admin. (e.g. 2 months as editor to qualify for patroller, 2 months as patroller to qualify for admin). After the edit, that was now a total of 6 months "minimum" (e.g. 2 months as editor to qualify for patroller, 4 months as patroller to qualify for admin). That was what the change meant to the rule to me. 
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::: The vote here was: ''Should Patrollers now be required to serve a minimum of 4 months as a Patroller to qualify to apply for an Administrator position?'' '''not''' whether Admin positions should be open to non-patrollers. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></small></sup> 05:12, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*I don't think that there should be a prohibition of not getting promoted if an editor was blocked. Some people who have previously been blocked, learn from their mistakes and work hard to qualify for a staff position. Hence in my opinion their should not be a rule like "If you ever got blocked, you can never be promoted".[[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 15:14, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*What everyone said. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]) 15:17, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Jeff is right. Proof [http://gta.wikia.com/Special:Log/block?page=User%3AMikey+Klebbitz here] and [http://gta.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=Thomas0802&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here]. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 15:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*A vote within six monthss is justifiable. We're not going to promote someone who was recently banned, but we're not going to deny previously banned users from applying for promotion. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:27, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with Leo. The applying person should not be banned in last 4 or 6 months.[[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 15:33, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with Jeff. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 15:44, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with Jeff too. Promotions should be considered on an individual basis, as some new users hit the ground running whilst others get into the swing of it gradually. When it comes to patrollers becoming admins, however, I think there should be a minimum amount of time, as the step up is a big one and some sink and others swim. With regards to welcoming back banned members, I think there should also be a minimum amount of time (four months to become patrollers, six to become admins) before they can apply for staff positions as that allows the rest of us to see if they've learnt their lessons. For users like Sasquatch, it's too early for him to be considered again as he's very inactive and we're having to remind him how to behave. I think returning users deserve second chances, but they must be earnt. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 15:58, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Promotions require special examinations of the users. I agree with Leo. [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 00:19, January 30, 2015 (UTC)
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== XPanetta ==
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Heads up to all the users, XPanetta is going onto other wikis to convince users to un-block him now that Ilan is gone. Ignore him, if the harassment continues, report him to an admin, or if you can block him from the wiki like I have. See [http://thebill.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:11869 the latest log] on The Bill Wikia, where I am a Bureaucrat (he has been blocked from said wiki). The first notice was in September, and the most recent was today. {{unsigned|Leon Davis}}
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Thanks for the warning Leo. Considering Tom was one of the ones harrassed by X I can't see him unblocking X any time soon, but we'll all keep our eyes open for him. I think eventually Wikia will do an IP block on him if he continues his harrassment and gets blocked from wikis one by one. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 16:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
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I blocked him a month ago on another Wiki for harassing Smashbro. Ever since he got blocked he has so far only cross-wiki harrassed administrators to get unblocked. I'm thinking about filling a report to Wikia against him. I could read once that harrassment can lead to your account being globally blocked. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 17:17, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
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I'd file a report if I were you Rain. There's enough evidence of harrassment and he even helps us by listing what he was blocked for. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, January 20, 2015 (UTC)
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I don't think our admin cleanout has been that drastic that trolls like this will get away with asking to have well-deserved infinite blocks overturned. His current harrassing and pleading and demanding is no different to what he has been doing constantly since he was first warned here, let alone after his block(s). Wikia staff have told him point blank he deserved the block and he should pull his head in, but he hasn't given up. Eventually I think he will get a global Wikia block. In the mean time, I do feel sorry for those of you who have your other wikia activity advertised in your profiles which makes you potential targets for him. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></small></sup> 07:50, January 21, 2015 (UTC)
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:He messaged me on my talk page on wikianswers. I reverted the edit stating that I do not wish to discuss GTA Wiki on another wiki. If he continues such harrassment I will block him there. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:33, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
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===Report===
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As I am busy today coupled with what appear to be internet problems (pages that take time to load and etc.), I'm putting here all evidence I could gather regarding XPanettaa harrassing others. If anyone can report him, they must do this through [[w:c:community:Special:Contact|this]]. One should provide evidence of it as I doubt Wikia staff would deal with someone without proof. If anyone has more evidence of it, post it below.
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Evidence:
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*XP's thread on Community Wiki: http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:740624
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*XP's original request to be unblocked to Ilan (at least the only one Ilan replied to): http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Ilan_xd#Block
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*Ilan's reply to XP with a clear "NO": http://reddead.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:XPanettaa#RE:
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*Harrassment of Smashbro8: http://watchdogs.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:12995 and http://midnightclub.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:4308
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*Harrassment of Leon Davis: http://thebill.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:11869
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*Harrassment of The Tom: http://mafiagame.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:18856
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*Harrassment of Messi1983 mentioned above: http://answers.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Messi1983?diff=5935870&oldid=5294604
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I'll reply to any questions about it on my talk page. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:19, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
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He knows some of us are admins/bureaucrats of other wikis, he will be harrising us as soon as he knows which wiki we run, he has been in multiple wikis, such as the Midnight Club wiki, the Bill wiki, the Watch Dogs wiki, the Red Dead wiki, the Mafia wiki, he didn't attempt to visit my Scarface wiki yet, but i'll not even answer him, he'll be automatically blocked, he and Sean are a pain in the ass. [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]) 15:41, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
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===Update===
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Report filed. I have sent a report including the evidence to Wikia, and received an email back saying they will look into the evidence and get back to me within two days if necessary. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 15:26, January 22, 2015 (UTC)
   
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I have received an email from the Wiki moderators. Here is the email in full:
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"Hello,
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Thanks for contacting us, and apologies for the slow response. I have communicated to XPanettaa that his actions are not reasonable, and that he should desist in his pestering about the block. Hopefully this will have a positive effect.
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With regards the other user, they do currently have a Wikia-wide block against those accounts - so you shouldn't be continuing to have issues with them. Has there been any recent activity around that? (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:741274#38appears to come a little out of the blue, the previous response being in November).
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Thanks again for bringing this to our attention, and best regards,
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George Marbulcanti (Kirkburn)
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Wikia Community Support" [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]])
   
What do you think?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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:XPanettaa is still trying to get unblocked, and AK-28 is attempting to advise him on how to do that - [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:787016]. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User talk:McJeff|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 02:54, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

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Patroller ElectionEdit

Closed as; WildBrick142 (8) TevanoRCMP (1)

Following Dodo's demotion to inactivity, there is now a vacancy for the eighth patroller position. WildBrick and TevanoRCMP have both expressed an interest, so the vote has been thrown open to the community. The voting rules are the same as with the recent administrator election, whereby you list who you want to vote for in the "votes" section. Best of luck to both users.

TevanoRCMPEdit

Hello My names TevanoRCMP but my real name is Brandan something that should be noted about me is that I am 16 I live in the United States (as noted by my profile) some more things that should be noted about me is that im kinda like a grammar corrector sometimes if I see a sentence that has a spelling error in it I will try my best to correct the error and if for example on here if in an article and I see the word you instead of the player I will correct it to say the player if necessary. I hope to be able to contribute more to the wikia. The reason why I'm interested in becoming a patroller is because I wanna help other users and contribute more to the wikia. I hope one day to be able to help other users to get up to where I'm applying for. Thanks for taking the time to read this I hope to hear back from you guys.

WildBrick142Edit

Hi all. I'm WildBrick142 (also known as WildBrick). I usually contribute here to add info or improve things. I used to be a bureaucrat on another wiki so I know how all the staff tools work. I like creating or editing templates (Some examples; here, here and here (ToJ helped out with this one, by coloring the mission name text) and know some of MediaWiki (not much though). I have fixed most of the templates/infoboxes in the new style following the Wikia change that messed up background-less infoboxes and created a set of "Gta[title] missions" navboxes for each post-GTA2 game. (I've also found and removed this vile leftover from the Community split) The bad things is that I'm not that good at spotting/reporting vandals - I'm mostly here about editing, improving, etc. - and that I'm not active that much (I will have to study for exams for and until the next two months but after that I will be much more active). Feel free to ask if you want to know more.

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  • Difficult, but i'll have to vote on Tevano on this one, sorry WildBrick. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 18:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, I think Tevano is more respectful (I'm not accusing anyone), and could be more responsible. I've seen him edit, and he doesn't make silly mistakes, whereas Wildbrick makes mistakes, and forgets to correct them. Wildbrick is a good editor, but I don't think he'd be a good Patroller,. Sorry MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 18:28, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • "whereas Wildbrick makes mistakes, and forgets to correct them" May I ask for examples? I'm not gonna lie - I did and do make silly mistakes when editing, but I usually try fix them instantly when I notice them. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 18:43, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • The many times you added the handling file data to all them vehicles that day, you made many mistakes on the titles (eg: "Overview", instead of "GTA V Overview"), you also kept spelling Overview wrong several times. This is just a few on the top of my head I've seen. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 18:45, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • "Overview" is what was always used before, and I did not know that we have to specify the game in the title - it's not mentioned in the manual of style so, obviously, I had no idea how exactly should these sections be handled. As for spelling things wrong, it happens to everyone - especially people who's first language is not English. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 18:52, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Not to be rude, but the attitude you give to users isn't exactly welcoming. I've seen some messages (no fingers being pointed) which are quite demanding and rude. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 18:55, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Which users? Unwelcoming? The only times I was "demanding and rude" was during our arguments in the past (vehicle stats, Faggio and Media policy) and these discussions were only with me with the GTAWiki staff (except in the Faggio argument where one user joined in too, but I don't believe this was "unwelcoming" in any way). V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 19:14, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Check some of the messages you have sent to me for example, whe I first recieved some of them, I felt quite shaken by the way you worded or spoke to me. for example, when I removed the rename template of the category page, you said: "Well obviously! I Ain't a admin so....". The first part of that was quite sarcastic and harsh. Anyway, I'm ending this before you start to argue with me, another concern I have, since the events of the Faggio incident, which Andre delt with responsibley. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 19:24, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • As I said, I misunderstood it. I didn't knew Categories could not be renamed and the way you worded the edit reason ("You cannot rename categories" or something along these lines) as well as removing the "Move" template made me think you're just removing it for the sake of removing it and saying that I cannot rename pages. I did not intend it to be harsh or malicious - sarcastic yes, but only because I misunderstood your message. I'm not arguing here (or at least not intentionally), I'm just trying to clear up the false things said about me. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 19:38, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • I've been editing with WildBrick for more than a year now and it is unbelievable how much he has done for this wiki (and another wiki of mine he helped me with something on). Several of the things you see on the wiki are here because of WildBrick. He also has more thane enough edits and has been here longer. He is helpful and always responds to messages quickly. Also, Tevano says that he is a "grammar corrector", although, as a self-proclaimed grammar Nazi, I felt like shooting myself in the head while reading Tevano's statement. I can't see a single correct piece of grammar. It's either he isn't good with his grammar, or he is half-arsed (pardon my French) about the job and couldn't be bothered writing his statement with correct grammar. No offence to Tevano, as I'm sure he's a great editor, but I feel WildBrick exceeds him in almost every way. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 18:48, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Okay, answering messages quickly is an exaggeration, he takes a lot to answer sometimes :p Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 18:56, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • I agree, he takes hours - sometimes days - to answer messages. Staff should be active and read to answer messages, instead of being offline, being un helpful. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 18:58, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • He's always answered mine pretty quick. When I say quick, I mean within a couple of hours, 6 at the most. Who knows, maybe I catch him at around the right time. Also, if you're complaining about staff having to be active all of the time, check out Messi1983, there's been times when he's been inactive for 2 months at a time. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:03, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Agree with Andre, it actually takes me a long time to answer messgaes, and that's not only here but in other sites as well. It's all because of my lack of time, sometimes I barely get to log on and when I do I usually don't get the time to reply so it takes me pretty much forever to respond to anything. I try to answer messages as fast as I can though. Sometimes I also read the message and decide to reply later, but end up forgetting to reply later on. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 19:14, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Definitely Wildbrick. He has contributed a lot to the wiki adding content, images or fixing infoboxes. He has been here for a much longer time and he knows how to use the staff tools already. Regarding Tevano, no offense but you should start improving your own grammar before claiming you're a "grammar corrector". I think you're a good editor and you have potential, but Wildbrick is a better option right now. DocVinewood (talk) 19:39, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm gonna have to go with WildBrick here, looking at his contributions, its unbelivable everything he has done to this wikia, he definetely deserves the spot. Tevano is competent, but just a little more then 200 edits? I feel that I need to see more before you can get my trust. Tevano you need to improve A LOT, not just in grammar, but also in the way you handle the wikia, you keep forgetting to sign your messages, your userpage is a mess and for some reason you keep getting into others people conversation without no one calling you. I'm not the right person to judge others by their grammar, because my grammar is also far from perfect, but even I can see that out of both of you, Tevano is the one that needs to improve his grammar the most. So, I'm gonna go with the one with more experience and less grammar issues. But don't give up Tevano, more opportunities will appear in the future. Tevano, if you don't improve any of this, I'm afraid you have no chance to become a patroller in the future. - DLVIII Talk 20:34, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • Absolutely wildbrick. If you think this Tevano idiot should be staff, I'll be leaving. Check my talk history with him! smurfy (coms) 20:44, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • That was when i first started smurf things change don't you know that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TevanoRCMP (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.
    • This is an agressive and rude comment, Sean, you don't need to state something like that, even if you hate a user so much. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 22:42, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
    • Tough. smurfy (coms) 23:18, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • WildBrick with no questions, since he looks very acceptable as stated above, apart for the contributions that he made (especially the interior maps that I was adding some time ago). Tevano... well, I don't know too much about him, and he seems a bit complicated; he claims himself as a "grammar corrector", yet there are grammar mistakes over there. I don't like that because in my case, I'm good at English and grammar, but not too good to state that I'm "perfect". The case is that "presuming something" isn't good. Sorry. Camilo Flores (talk) 22:11, April 22, 2015 (UTC)
  • I vote for WildBrick. He's been on the GTA Wiki a long time and has greatly contributed to the wiki in over a short period of time, along with others such as Doc, Smurf and Switch101. As with the other three, if it weren't for WildBrick, some pages would not have been merged, images would not have been added, nor would our vehicle performance template be updated. I don't know much about Tevano, but he has tried helping out very well. However, he doesn't have enough contributions to promote him, nor is his grammar very good. Like others said, this isn't to make you lose confidence Tevano, however, use this as an opportunity to look to improve yourself in case another spot becomes available. For now, I vote for WildBrick. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 23:33, April 22, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • WildBrick is more experienced and I have always believed he deserved to be Patroller. I am closing the vote with the new Paroller being WildBrick. Leo68 (talk) 00:33, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Fine with me I'll try again next time when everyone gets a better chance to know me more by the way guys I never said that I am perfect with grammar I said I correct it the best that I could never said I was perfect at it TevanoRCMP (talk) 02:22, April 23, 2015 (UTC) Also a tip free of charge of course don't be afraid to try new people just saying TevanoRCMP (talk) 02:26, April 23, 2015 (UTC)

Mission Music / Wanted Level Music for GTA V Edit

CLOSED AS SUCCESSFUL - MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 14:38, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Hello All, I'm sure you may all know by now that, during missions, unique Rockstar-Produced music plays, and many different tracks play. They also play during Wanted Levels (changing in intensity when raising stars), Heists, Missions and Activities.

I have found a channel on Youtube that has all of the tracks, including Mission Tracks, Wanted Level tracks and Heists Tracks, and he sensibly names and uploads them, without having any intros/outros. The only problem is he puts "Remember to subscribe, rate and subscribe" in the Description (you have to click the down arrow to see that, though)

Since he is very good with copyright, and how he presents the videos of music, with sensible images, comments and audio, should we consider adding these tracks to mission/heist/wanted level pages? (bare in mind the tracks are individually unique, and are Rockstar-made).

Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSLktT72mKJj64CWRU92mOA

MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 17:47, April 19 2015 (UTC)

Votes Edit

Comments Edit

  • I think the music should be added to the game, but I don't know how they'd fit into the mission pages. If they are to be added, I think the best place would be in the radio stations page, but under a "Soundtracks" heading. As Alex said, the soundtracks from all the games should be listed in a dedicated "Soundtracks" page. SJWalker (talk) 17:25, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
    • We'd put it in the videos section. Along with the FPS Walkthrough and Mission Walkthrough. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 18:58, April 19 2015 (UTC)
    • Good idea, like we have a "Mission Name"/Transcript, and "Mission Name"/Walkthrough technique, we could have a "Mission Name"/Soundtrack. Which follows a separate article design. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 18:08, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
      • Sounds ok to me. SJWalker (talk) 18:11, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • I like the idea of having music on pages, but I think that we should make a new "soundtrack" page if there isn't already to put all the original music from ALL the GTA games, not just GTA V (Tenpennys Theme, San Andreas). I also have another pretty swell music source: GTA V Score. If anyone deserves to be the "music" source on the wiki, it's this guy. He has all songs and he has who made them, too. He's solely dedicated to GTA and his videos get released within days of a new update or game. Just an idea. Mortsnarg (talk) 17:56, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • Tbh, he doesn't seem to have all of the scores we need. The channel I picked out has all of the mission scores, as well as Heist tracks AND Wanted Level Tracks. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 19:10, April 19, 2015 (UTC) 
  • GTA V Score does, he even has stuff like loading music and pause menu music. The reason I thought we should make a new page is because every mission doesn't have its own score, the Assasination Missions are a great example of this. I think maybe put the ones with their own scores on the missions pages, then make a new page featuring all the misceallneous tracks. Mortsnarg (talk) 18:17, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree, especially because I love Bury The Hatchet and Minor Turbulence's themes. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 13:30, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
  • It's an interesting idea, just create an page to include all score songs in one single place and remember that this theme songs are part of the SCORE of the game, not the soundtrack, the soundtrack is composed by the songs on the radios. If I remember correctly, GTA V is the first and only game of the franchise to have an original score, right? - DLVIII Talk 13:43, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Yes you're right, Woody Jackson and Tangerine Dream composed the music in 2009 ready for GTA V's release MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 14:45, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
  • Right, closed as successful, I will contact the Youtuber and mention the vote was successful. Please do not add any of the tracks onto pages/new articles until I get the all clear. Thank You! MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 14:45, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm reopening the vote until the all clear is given. I also gave a positive vote. Leo68 (talk) 04:32, April 22, 2015 (UTC)

Probation Expiry: AndreEagle17Edit

PASS


First time so I'll lay it out for everyone. This vote is the outcome of a three month probationary period that Andre has undergone since his promotion to Patroller in January. His rights will remain and will only be lost if the vote is negative. There are eight voters, limited to administrators and bureaucrats, and 5 positive votes are required for a pass, and 5 negative votes result in a fail. Patrollers and users may comment on Andre's work since he made Patroller and throughout his probation. Anyway, down to business. Leo68 (talk) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Andre has vastly improved since he became a Patroller. He has improved on grammar, is quick and effective and benefited from probation. Yes from me. Leo68 (talk) 03:55, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • Happy to have been proved wrong here. There may have been a couple of minor skirmishes over the last few months but nothing significant enough for me to have made a note of them to bring up here. Well done.  smurfy (coms) 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • I vote for Andre, not only because we are good friends but because he has improved so tremendously it is amazing. His grammar has improved, his policy following has improved, everything basically has improved. He understands how to use rollback, how to solve edit wars, how to help the community in merges, talk page discussions, votes, etc, and also knows how to use warnings. He also is the "founder" of this year's chat sessions (with me being a co-founder, as we used to share chat, allowing users to join). Anyway, a big yes from me.  Smashbro8 (talk) 04:12, April 15, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Andre has come on leaps and bounds since his probation. Like Jamal said, his knowledge of all aspects of the policy has improved vastly and he's a much better editor for it. SJWalker (talk) 11:30, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • Another yes from me. Andre has proved he deserves the position more than enough. DocVinewood (talk) 12:53, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
  • 5 positive votes. Vote closed as pass. Leo68 (talk) 14:26, April 15, 2015 (UTC)
    • I wanted to thank you guys for voting to whether or not I should stay, I appreciate your honesty and your opinions here, thank you guys for trusting me :) Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 14:37, April 15, 2015 (UTC)

RfP Lock Edit

Due to recent events involving 'trollers' applying for positions, I have locked the Requests for Promotion page until another staff position comes up. The Requests for Promotion is a page that can't be vandalized due to how important it is on this wiki, so from now on, the page will be locked when staff positions aren't available. Leo68 (talk) 04:36, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Comments Edit

*What about the ones who reapply after coming back from their inactivity? I may try to reapply for patroller rights after a week or two of editing. --Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 01:45, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Enhanced Version Vehicle images in Infobox Edit

Closed as unsuccessful by Leo68 (talk) 00:46, April 15, 2015 (UTC) Hey guys, just wondering, since the cars look much better in quality and lighting in the enhanced version of GTA V, should we get vehicle images from the enhanced version for the infoboxes? I started this a while back, but I forgot to get the rear quarters, and I saved the images in their smallest format (Like an idiot). What do you think? Is it worth it? MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 14:23, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Votes Edit

Comments Edit

  • It's a good idea but it'll probably be better to wait for PC version - there's only two more weeks of waiting. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 13:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • That's what i meant, PC is part of Enhanced Version. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 13:37, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • Much better? From what I've seen, vehicle images from PS4/Xbone barely look different. Furthermore, each attempt to swap the X360/PS3 screenshots with new ones resulted in lower quality screenshots. Unless someone is able to add nice images, don't see the need to change. Rain Stalker.exe 13:39, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • It depends on the picture, not on the platform or quality, as Rain said, some attempts to swap the original version's screenshots resulted in poorer images. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 13:47, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • As Rain and Andre said, the picture quality is the important thing. The current infobox pictures are clear enough and serve their purpose. SJWalker (talk) 13:55, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • Not worth it. The upgrade in lightining is barely noticeable and even if it was, do you honestly think that the majority of people who come to the wikia to see images of the vehicles pay attention to this kind of stuff? They are here just to see the design of the vehicle and thats it, they will not stop to see the lightning or the polygons on the image. The images that we have already do the job, thank you. - DLVIIIL Talk 14:01, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • The MoS is quite clear that the infoboxes should have the latest game appearance and there is no reason for that guideline to change. In the case of GTAV, the enhanced version of the game is the latest. The HD screengrabs DO show a lot more texture, lighting and model detail than the Snapmatic resolution shots, which is why I originally questioned whether they qualified as "fair use". However, that being said, the images should only be replaced when a better quality image is available. A lot of the existing shots have far too much background interference and/or the vehicle is painted too dark/lighting is inadequate to show the design detail. I was guilty of replacing with some rushed shots taken in limited PS4 time that were admittedly worse in some aspects. I have also thrown away hundreds of PS4 screenshots because they were no better than the existing once they were examined on my PC. As has been discussed in several talk discussions, the Vehicles Manual of Style is being updated after the PC release, along with the gallery design guidelines (I'm still undecided on using the gallery templates). The same rules applied to the character pages which have mostly all been replaced with enhanced version portraits with often very little graphical superiority over their low-res predecessors.  smurfy (coms) 20:26, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
    • "the latest game appearance" - Yes, game, not edition. Going by this logic, then let's update the GTA San Andreas vehicle images because the latest edition has slightly better textures (oops I forgot San Andreas is too old).
      I'm going to repeat what 558 said and that whenever someone checks out for vehicle images they are interested in design, they do not give two fucks about light effects which are, if you don't mind, barely noticable on PS4 and Xbox One - as shown in some of the screenshots that were uploaded to the Wiki. Most of the vehicle images (they come from either DocVinewood, WildBrick of a couple of others) are of pretty good quality.
      Something that I would support, however, is that we upload "render" images - which means we take the vehicle model from the game files and upload a front quarter view of the model with transparency. Of course, that'll require GIMP/Photoshop knowledge to add semi-transparency (that ain't really easy), but it'll be the best we can get. Simply swapping the current images with images from an edition that will have probably small changes in the vanilla edition and they won't change the vehicles images neither. Rain Stalker.exe 20:35, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
    • Whoa whoa whoa, not so fast, MoS says "latest appearance", yet, this is not totally applicable, see, we can't replace the Python's main picture from a Vice City model to a Vice City Stories/Chinatown Wars model, as they came later than GTA Vice City, the same goes to Cuban Hermes and Diablo Stallion, in adittion, as Rain said, the enhanced version of GTA V is not necessarily the latest appearance, as it's the same game, just more detailed, this case is different than those of characters (see Trevor PhilipsMichael De Santa and Franklin Clinton) which makes much more difference. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 20:43, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm with RainingPain and 558050 on this one. Enhanced edition also has this fog-like blur so instead of giving a sharp image, it looks a bit misty instead - even with a png format (can't describe it). It's not like you can even see a huge detail difference in these tiny infoboxes. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 20:49, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
      • Am I the only person who uses the wiki that clicks on thumbnail images to see the full resolution image in a new browser tab? smurfy (coms) 20:56, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
      • No, I do that too, but honestly, most people just want to search for information. They don't care about the shadows, lightning, reflections, etc. They just see image and "okay, so that's the car I saw" and move on. There are people who do look on full resolution images as well but they probably don't care about shadows/lightning/reflections, etc. Other than the image resolution messing things up, the detail on cars is extremely similar between both versions, if not the same. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 21:10, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
        • I do the same thing, and, as well as the latest appearance/rendition rule applying to this, the quality is actually better, the reflections, lighting and shadowing makes the car look even better, as when the image is compressed to a smaller size to fit in the infobox, the detail stands out better, making it a very vibrant image. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 20:59, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
          • I also see images in full size.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 21:03, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • (Reset indent) Viewing image in full size is not an excuse to replace good quality screenshots such as Switch101's with crappier quality screenshot for the sole reason that they were taken on the PC edition. Afaik most of the previous titles have console screenshots, yet no one decided to complain about not being "pc ultra master hq" screenshots. Rain Stalker.exe 21:08, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
    • Actually it should be which one is better. I am saying if a ps3 image is better than pc then keep ps3 image. The one that looks better should be kept regardless of edition.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 21:19, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
      • Whoa, hold one a sec. The forum was initially about swapping every GTA V vehicle screenshot with a PC one. Something I highly disagree with because there is no purpose of replacing good quality screenshots with other ones that are usually of bad quality for the sole reason of being taken on PC. Now, if we talk about swapping screenshots that are of quite bad quality with better ones taken on PC, I fully agree with this. I had noticed multiple images that aren't so good. But we could do that, assuming that the provider takes good quality screenshots. I don't mean to single out the concerned users here, but I haven't seen any vehicle screenshot from next-gen that was better than the former. I don't say I'm a good vehicle photographer, and I know how hard it is, but I'm just saying that if we can't get better quality screenshots, the swap is pointless. Rain Stalker.exe 11:40, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
  • The enhanced version(PS4 Xbox one and PC) has better graphics. So yes. But new images should be of good quality not bad. As smurfynz said images should be replaced only when a better one is available.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 20:42, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • It's very simple really. Images should be replaced if someone uploads a better one, regardless of the edition. Of course, a good PS4 image will always have preference over a good PS3 one, but for me, the photographer is more important than the platform. For example, check Switch101's vehicle images (in my opinion the best vehicle photographer of the wiki), they're from last gen but of excellent quality. DocVinewood (talk) 21:04, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • Smurfy is, in my opinion the best vehicle photographer, he gets shots of the above, underside, sides and front, as well as details on badging and crash deformation, that's alot of images that sum up a car's description, origin and durability. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk) 21:06, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
    • Quantity and quality are two different things. smurfy (coms) 21:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • No, I agree Switch101's are generally better lit and composed than most of my vehicle shots - apart from the occasional busy background. smurfy (coms) 21:13, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
    • Redact - It wasn't Switch that had the busy backgrounds issue. Although if you look at his earliest uploads, he did have lighting and "fish-eye" compositional issues until he learned how to use the snapmatic lens properly, similar to issues I had with PS4 depth of field etc. smurfy (coms) 21:51, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • I think it is safe to close this as unsuccessful. There should be no specific "project" instigated to replace all GTA V vehicle images solely for the sake of replacement with higher resolution shots, but, like any other image on the wiki, if a better image is available, there should be nothing preventing any editor from uploading it. smurfy (coms) 23:04, March 30, 2015 (UTC)
  • Smurf and I had a discussion about that a few days ago when it came to changing the Kuruma and Savage infobox images into enhanced version images. A lot of editors such as WildBrick, Switch 101, and Doc managed to add very high quality images from their original versions. To me there's hardly a difference between enhanced and original version images and some are quite poorer to me than the original versions. Also, like everyone else said, quality matters. There's lots of enhanced version images that aren't even that good to me, while some images such as the Heists Update vehicle infobox images are very high quality images which were taken on the original version. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 23:29, March 30, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8

Transcript in mission pagesEdit

Closed as successful by LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:24, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

Should transcript be allowed in mission pages again? I remember there used to be transcripts but they were mass removed for some reason. Apparently it is violating copyright even though this is kinda silly because this wiki has worse things than transcripts in pages. I fail to see how it violates copyright, considering we have images of pretty much everything, videos of every mission that have audio/walkthrough/transcript and snippets of game file code to help with many different pages. Many different wikis also have them and noone complains about copyright even if it's a R* game wiki (or an actual GTA Wiki but in different language). And I'm pretty sure if there was an actual copyright thing made by R* to begin with, it would have most likely expired just like the "no cutscenes" in IV.

Should they be re-added again? (Ignore the fact that it takes up much space or any other technical difficulties. I can easily make it take up little to no space and fix said difficulties.) V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • As said above. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 18:59, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • One more to the list. Rain Stalker.exe 19:04, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes please. I see transcripts in so many wikias and its ridiculous that we don't have any of these. Its helpfull and pratical so why not? - DLVIIIL Talk 19:39, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Same as 558. Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 19:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree, they were one of the first things I edited before they were removed and I too do not understand their copyright. I'd help you make them too. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:00, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Request is closed as successful so let's do this. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:25, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Which way should we handle this? Write down what happens in the background (i.e. "Niko gets off the boat and Roman arrives in his taxi" quotes "Niko gets in the cab" quotes, etc.) or do it the simple way Saints Row wiki does (i.e. "cutscene" quotes "gameplay" quotes, etc.)? V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 20:32, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • I'd say the first option. Rain Stalker.exe 20:38, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • I'd go with the first one too. I'm starting to do the first mission of GTA San Andreas by the way. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:40, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Also, should we include links in the transcript? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:42, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Noted. I'll start off with GTA III. And IMO, links should be only in the character and scenario. Not in quotes just like in the main page. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 21:36, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Are we 100% sure it's not a copyright violation? Why were transcripts removed? DocVinewood (talk) 20:44, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • They were claimed to be copyright to the new admins by the old admins after the community split. I don't think they are copyright, and if they are then RockstarPressUK will let us know. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:49, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • The idea for transcripts being copyright violation is non-sense. If its true, then Rockstar must be the only developer concerned about this kind of stuff, since hundreds of wikias have transcripts and they never faced this kind of problem. Also, Red Dead and L.A. Noire wikia have transcripts and Rockstar never bothered neither of those wikias with copyright allegations. - DLVIIIL Talk 20:56, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Regarding the GTA V transcripts, it's going to be a bit more difficult. The characters constantly taunt their enemies during gunfights, and there are multiple dialogue options (such as when you die, the dialogue's gonna be a bit differnt), and furthermore, there are missions where the dialogue changes depending which missions you completed first. For the multiple options things, we could use tabbers, although I don't know if it's worth keeping the taunting quotes as in some missions they will occupy more than a half of the transcript. Rain Stalker.exe 11:02, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • Not just GTA V, I played "Off Route" from TLaD last night and Johnny used a variety of quotes. With the HD Universe missions, I'd only quote the dialogue used in cutscenes or when the characters are "passive" (i.e. driving to/from a certain point in the mission), as that dialogue is almost always be the same. SJWalker (talk) 11:10, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with tabs for different quotes and instead of writing all of the taunts, I just wrote what was happening in the mission. You can see this on Sweet & Kendl/Transcript after the Ballas start their drive-by.
  • I had started drafting a comment along these lines earlier today but got sidetracked by IRL stuff. There is a lot of dialogue (and even alternate cutscenes) throughout the series but more prevalent in HD universe titles that depends not only on what mission paths you have completed before the current mission, but also what "determinant" decisions you have made. There can also be additional dialogue in GTAV missions depending on which character you are starting the mission with. That's why I'm standing back from this project and I'll leave you guys to deal with the headaches of how to present variable scripts. smurfy (coms) 11:33, March 29, 2015 (UTC)
  • Unless it's part of the script, no taunts. Even if it appears in subtitles, if it's something that constantly appears over and over again (i.e. Niko shouts "motherfuckers" then he has civilized discussion with Roman, LJ, Packie, whatever and then suddenly shouts "motherfuckers" again as he starts shooting at enemies again.).
    Calling dibs on LCS and IV V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 11:38, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Who changed the theme?Edit

And why?

The previous colors were the best!! pls change it back V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 16:18, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
PS: The community noticeboard is a suitable place to discuss this, right?

CommentsEdit

  • I don't know, I've been trying to change them back. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 16:26, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Main color was #222222 and buttons were #444444 (luckily I had a page open in another tab)V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 16:29, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Thank god for that. I've changed it back now. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 16:31, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Anyone notice a change in the source editor? I'm getting highlighted words when I type. Leo68 (talk) 18:18, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • @Leon Davis, I definitely am seeing this. The whole source editor is made up of highlighted words in different colors. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 18:20, March 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
      • It's the new syntax highlighting. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 18:21, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
      • I like it, it's really helpful and makes it look less dull. It also helps to highlight if you've made a mistake. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 18:33, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
      • I love the Source editor code highlighting, just like using Notepad++. I was trying to teach 558050 to use a text editor to highlight nested IF functions in a template this week, this does it for us! (almost) no excuse for missing closure tags now! smurfy (coms) 21:42, March 28, 2015 (UTC)
      • I'm a bit neutral about this. I like the help with the highlights (shows me where I left out a tag or something) but honestly, it's sometimes more confusing and distracting than text without highlights. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 11:40, March 29, 2015 (UTC)

Chat ModeratorsEdit

Closed as unsuccessful by Leo68 (talk) 23:22, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

I have noticed that there has been an increased use of chat lately so I was thinking, should we promote 2 or 3 users who aren't already staff members to be chat moderators? I personally think it would be a good idea. What do you guys think? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Most of the times there are people in chat there is at least one patroller/admin in. So I'm not sure we need more. Rain Stalker.exe 20:16, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • When the chat is on, usually me, Sam or Smashbro are in the chat, we are chat moderators too. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 20:50, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • As the others have said, since Patrollers are "security guards", chat moderation would come under "security", which all Patrollers are automatically promoted to. There's no need to create two roles for work which one Patroller can do alone. SJWalker (talk) 23:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't think it's necessary, staff members are doing their work already. DocVinewood (talk) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Due to me, Andre, and Monkeypolice taking over the Chat, we have the ability to ban and kick troublesome users in chat, which makes giving two new users rollback rights unnecessary. I constantly watch over the chat to make sure everything is running smoothly once I am in it. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
    • Chatmod rights come without rollback rights. The question is about if we should give chatmod status to users that regularly come into chat. Not if we need two more patrollers. Rain Stalker.exe 06:49, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • We have patrollers to do this job, two of which are normally on chat so I'm closing the vote as unsuccessful. Leo68 (talk) 23:22, March 27, 2015 (UTC)

Administration Election Edit

Closed SJ Walker (5) 558050 (3)

As I am now bureaucrat there is a vacancy for my former adminstrator position. 558050 and SJWalker are the most qualified patrollers, due to the fact that two were recently demoted and two are on probation. Set up your votes below. Unlike a request for promotion, you should write the user's name and your signature as opposed to a yes or no.

SamEdit

About meEdit

I'm Sam, I've been a patroller for just over two months. I am still learning my way around in some areas and can occasionally undo correct edits, but I am also quick at spotting vandals, and can give advice to any user who needs it, likewise those who need a "talking to" in certain areas. I try to look at disputes from a netural point of view and listen to both sides before making a decision. I am aware that on occasions I can be seen as "picking on" certain users, but I try and treat everyone equally and attempt to come to a civilised and reasonable conclusion to any disputes. Positive and negative feedback is welcome. Thank you for reading this. Best of luck to 558050 as well. SJWalker (talk) 01:15, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

558050Edit

About meEdit

Hello, fellow wikia contributors. I have been contributing to this wikia for 17 months by now, almost one year and a half, during this time I acquired a lot of experience editing articles and dealing with other users. My contributions here include the creation of dozens of articles, plus major updates to already existing articles, more recently the online heists pages.

I'm always trying to be friendly with other users and resolve any kind of issue as polite as possible, but I'm not afraid to be a little rough if the situation demands it.

My grammar was improved since my promotion to patroller, so I think that this will not be a problem anymore. Thanks for you attention. Good luck to Sam and goodbye. DLVIIIL Talk 01:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Votes Edit

Comments Edit

  • I'm undecided at the moment, both Sam and 558 have awesome editing skills, I'll have to think about this for a while before voting. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 01:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
    • After hours thinking, I finally decided and my vote goes to Sam, 558 has administrative skills, like asking to rename lots of pages, having a higher knowledge about the series (not to mention that he resurrected the GTA CW mission pages), however, Sam quickly detect sockpuppets and quickly report vandals, which for me is the best point to vote for him, sorry 558, but I can't vote for both. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 01:34, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Andre. I'm also undecided. Both of you are amazing editors. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 01:27, March 24, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • I had to think about. SJWalker is an excellent editor and is great at cleaning up pages, however, 558050 is more active and has a higher edit counter. SJWalker may have better English, but that is because 558050 is Brazillian. Nothing personal, Sam. Leo68 (talk) 01:28, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • This is difficult. Weighing up who I think would make the best admin right now (558) vs who I think would probably make the better admin in the long term (Sam). Another couple of months and this vote probably would have gone the other way. Whoever "loses" this vote in the end, you are both doing a great job and it will not be a reflection on your capabilities. smurfy (coms) 02:24, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • This is a tough one! You both are very good editors and I think both of you have made an excellent contributions to the GTA Wiki, but I gotta' pick SJWalker/ Sam on this one. In debates he's always had a good habit of looking at the situation (as he stated himself) with a neutral standpoint that doesn't really pick a "side" until he's seen the two reasons for why or why not. That's a good quality in a person higher up in the commmunity. He also has pretty good grammer and I almost never see mistakes in that area. If there's one thing I think he could improve on, it's looking into something a little more and doing a little more research, but the last time this was a problem was a month or two ago, and that was minor. That isn't to say that 558050 is bad, in fact it's pretty close and I appreciate 558050 just as much, but there can only be one, and that one is SJWalker for the reasons stated. Good luck to both of you! Mortsnarg (talk) 02:44, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Do we really need to rush on promoting a new administrator?
    If it's important, then my vote goes for Sam. Pretty much for the reasons that were alreayd mentioned by Mortsnarg. Rain Stalker.exe 06:23, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • This is a tough choice, I think both deserve the position. I will vote later. DocVinewood (talk) 10:34, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
    First of all I agree with Rain, is promoting a new administrator really needed now? In any case, I finally decided to vote for Sam. He spots and reports vandals, cleans up pages, has a very good grammar and is a level-headed person. 558050 is a great editor as well, but sadly I can't vote for both. DocVinewood (talk) 00:38, March 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • No offense to Sam, who is too a great staff member, but I feel 558 is more qualified at this moment in time. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:55, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Rain and Doc, it's not necessary to hurry for a new admin. The wiki can run smoothly with vacant spots, like how it did when me, CJ Jr. and Leon Davis were the only admins. I just feel we need more rules and protections to the Requests for Promotion page so users don't troll and make a request thinking they will get promoted. That other user's request should be deleted. Anyway, since I sadly cannot pick both when both SJ Walker and 558050 do excellent work here, I'd pick Sam for the same reasons as DocVinewood's. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 01:19, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Our new administrator is SJWalker! Leo68 (talk) 01:47, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Mission Pages Cleanup Edit

A notice to all users; a majority of the mission pages need a major cleanup. The quotes have links, the grammar is poor and the pages are poorly assembled. If you can, check over the pages so that they can be cleaned up. If you don't know what qualifies as a page needing cleanup, add the template so another user can clean up the page. Leo68 (talk) 07:34, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

  • Yeah, I noticed that, i'm checking out articles that needs a cleanup, Sam is working on it. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 14:08, March 22, 2015 (UTC)

Updating policy: TrainersEdit

Closed as Successful by Leo68 (talk) 01:23, March 25, 2015 (UTC)


This has been on my mind for the last couple of days, as I've seen a couple of articles with posts relating to the use of trainers. Since the policy prohibits images of modified vehicles, I think this should be extended to include trainers and modification tools. As Leon clarified for me last night, any information should be related to GTA as Rockstar created it, so any modification or trainer-related posts should be removed. The way I see it, since only stock photos of vehicles are allowed, only information relating to the "stock" game should be included too. I hope I've written this in a way that makes sense, and I'd love to know what you all think about this. SJWalker (talk) 22:07, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Question - Should we prohibit Mods/Trainers in articles?

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • It gets a little curly when you see what happened after the community split. For a short while, GTAwiki was thought of as the home of modded content. Thankfully that was stopped but there are still remnants scattered throughout the article content. I agree with Leon, the wiki should be "official content only" except for a small number of articles dedicated to Modifications. smurfy (coms) 22:13, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
  • This can be a bit rough, some vehicles such as the AndromadaBrickade and FBI Truck can only be spawned with trainers, same with weapons and characters, so I agree to forbid pictures of mods, unofficial content and partially revealed content, but not content (vehicles, weapons and other content) which is in the game, but unavailable without trainers. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 22:17, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • They are part of the vanilla game. It's official content. Mentioning that these are spawner mod-exclusives because they were cut is OK. Rain Stalker.exe 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • I see your point there Andre. If the policy is changed, a link could be posted to the GTA Mods Wiki or GTA Fanon Wiki for anyone who wants to add mod-content. I'm probably going to contradict my argument here but a brief sentence explaining they can be spawned via mods would be acceptable, but not to reference specific mods or methods of modding (i.e. tweaking files). If the vehicles are in the files then they still exist in the game, so they technically aren't modded "into" the game because they're already there. SJWalker (talk) 22:27, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • Exactly, it's acceptable to say that the mentioned vehicles are only obtainable with mods or trainers, but it's unacceptable to say "The Dukes can perform a wheelie, but to do this, you'll need to mod the game". Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 22:39, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes and that's something that I was removing a while ago. The Modifications page has no purpose other than advertising. Saying that the graphics of San Andreas can be improved through modding is completely irrelevant. If anyone want to edit content about mods they should go to the GTA Fanon Wiki. This is GTA Wiki, aka official content, not fan-made content. Rain Stalker.exe 22:21, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
    • Changed my vote then, I agree with you. Signature (talk/stalk/blog) 22:27, March 21, 2015 (UTC)

Media Policy: A New-Look Image Policy Edit

Closed as successful by Leo68 (talk) 02:33, March 6, 2015 (UTC).

This has been lingering around the wiki for a few days. A policy about uploading videos to the wiki has been suggested by Andre. My idea;

We add info to the image policy about uploading videos and rename it the Media Policy. It will be in one location for users to understand how to add both images and videos here.

  • ALL videos must have a clear picture and clean audio.
  • All videos must be copyrighted to show who the video belongs to, the video's site and Rockstar Games.
    • All videos have to be GTA related.
  • Videos MUST NOT violate other policies such as leaked information.
  • Videos must have an extra copyright if it features music.

Feel free to add to the policy and vote on whether or not we should implement this. Leo68 (talk) 09:02, March 1, 2015 (UTC)


Votes Edit

Comments Edit

  • Absolutely, i've seen quite a few pages with videos which contravene these rules. MONKEYPOLICE188 (talk) | (stalk)
  • I would add that videos should not contain any form of self-promotion (audio or text) or advertising apart from a watermark (we obviously have to allow this since we are using GTASeriesVideos we can't really say it is prohibited like we do for still images). smurfy (coms) 21:12, March 1, 2015 (UTC)
  • The vote is closed and the image policy has been renamed media policy and updated. Leo68 (talk) 02:39, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Missions in GTA 2Edit

I was just writing this to let you guys know who want to get some edits that most of the missions in GTA 2 still need infoboxes and images. To get the images, watch GTA Series Videos play the mission on Youtube, print screen it while it is saying the mission name and then crop it in an editing application such as Paint.NET. I'm currently doing it as well but I'm going to have to continue tomorrow as I am going shortly.

Also, the missions in GTA 1 are pretty much a lost cause because I can't find videos of the missions anywhere to get images or even an understanding of what happens in the mission. If anyone can do either of these things then that would be great.

Thanks, LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 23:55, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

Patroller to Administrator Qualification CriteriaEdit

Closed as unsuccessful - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 23:55, January 31, 2015 (UTC)

BackgroundEdit

A week ago, Leo made an update to the RfP rules to add the probation period for new Patrollers as had been agreed by the Bureaucrats and Admins. At the same time he also changed the line relating to experience required for applicants to the Administrator role.

"To qualify for administrator rights, editors must have been active for four months with no rules violations."
— Prior version
"To qualify for administrator rights, editors must have been active patrollers for four months with no rule violations."
— Revised version

This was probably an outcome of a discussion Tom had been involved in with with Wildbrick142 about that section but he had stated

"I think you would be best if you ran for Patroller first just to make it "fair" so that you get promoted in the same way as everyone else and then a month or two later you could run for admin."
— Tom replying to Wildbrick142

As I discussed with Leo at the time, I probably agree with the change (despite it directly impacting my personal agenda), but I don't believe it was an authorized rule update and it should be discussed and agreed by Admin/Bureaucrat staff before being added. Similarly to the Probation discussion, Patrollers and editors should not get a say in this discussion as we would have a vested interest in retaining the status quo. smurfy (coms) 01:43, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

Bureaucrat and Admin only voteEdit

VotesEdit

Discussion (all editors welcome) Edit

  • I don't want to just say "if you've been blocked you can never be promoted" because it's not necessary. We've had multiple editors who got blocked, realized that this wasn't one of those online communities that doesn't actually enforce its rules, cleaned up their act and went on to be administrators. If there are outstanding behavior concerns about any editor running for promotion, those concerns should be brought up during the voting - that's what the vote is for in the first place, and that's why it's supposed to last for a week. As for length of time an editor has to be editing to be eligible to promote, I don't have much of a problem with such a thing but I don't really think it's necessary. Lack of being active long enough is always brought up when new editors go for a promotion too soon, and we've also had a couple particularly good editors show up and get promoted more quickly than usual. Basically, I feel it's better to consider every editor individually rather than try to make ironclad rules, because ironclad rules tend to do more harm than good in the long run. Jeff (talk·stalk) 02:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • After reading what McJeff said, I'm on his side. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 02:32, January 28, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Since Jeff is happy to include all editors in the discussion (but not the vote), I would suggest Leo's edit requires a minor semantic change: To qualify for administrator rights, patrollers must have been active for four months with no rule violations. smurfy (coms) 03:02, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree about keeping the "four months as a patroller to become an admin" rule. Experience should be an important aspect to be promoted, and I was never a fan of promoting people who are in the wikia for one or two months just because their edits are good, It makes the promotion seems way too easy and insignificant. Making it take longer not just makes the person who wants to get the promotion work harder, but also make him valorize the position more when he finally get it, with also reduces the chances of him resigning too soom. DLVIIIL Talk 03:19, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • To reitirate. I made an alteration to the admin area as it said Users must have been active for four months. I figured, being a first time users never usually make admin first, they have to become patrollers. I changed the word users to patrollers. I figured it would make more sense. I changed this when I added the information about probationary periods for patrollers to the Requests for Promotion page. If people were confused, tell me, and then if it made more sense then I could have changed it back. I don't think users should be allowed to skip Patroller and make admin. It just can't justified. I also believe we don't need to change anything about administrator rights. I voted no. Leo68 (talk) 04:37, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Man, I really must not have been as clear in the way I had written this out as I thought I was.
    • I'm not suggesting I thought the rule wording meant editors could skip the Patroller step, although that was a little ambiguous and probably needed clarifying, as shown by the question Wildbrick posed to Tom. 
Prior to Leo's edit, the way the rule was written and the way I understood it, any Patroller with a total of 4 months editing could have applied for Admin. (e.g. 2 months as editor to qualify for patroller, 2 months as patroller to qualify for admin). After the edit, that was now a total of 6 months "minimum" (e.g. 2 months as editor to qualify for patroller, 4 months as patroller to qualify for admin). That was what the change meant to the rule to me. 
The vote here was: Should Patrollers now be required to serve a minimum of 4 months as a Patroller to qualify to apply for an Administrator position? not whether Admin positions should be open to non-patrollers. smurfy (coms) 05:12, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't think that there should be a prohibition of not getting promoted if an editor was blocked. Some people who have previously been blocked, learn from their mistakes and work hard to qualify for a staff position. Hence in my opinion their should not be a rule like "If you ever got blocked, you can never be promoted".Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 15:14, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • What everyone said. Signature (talk) 15:17, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Jeff is right. Proof here and here. Rain Stalker.exe 15:25, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • A vote within six monthss is justifiable. We're not going to promote someone who was recently banned, but we're not going to deny previously banned users from applying for promotion. Leo68 (talk) 15:27, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Leo. The applying person should not be banned in last 4 or 6 months.Hunter(Talk/Stalk) 15:33, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Jeff. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 15:44, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Jeff too. Promotions should be considered on an individual basis, as some new users hit the ground running whilst others get into the swing of it gradually. When it comes to patrollers becoming admins, however, I think there should be a minimum amount of time, as the step up is a big one and some sink and others swim. With regards to welcoming back banned members, I think there should also be a minimum amount of time (four months to become patrollers, six to become admins) before they can apply for staff positions as that allows the rest of us to see if they've learnt their lessons. For users like Sasquatch, it's too early for him to be considered again as he's very inactive and we're having to remind him how to behave. I think returning users deserve second chances, but they must be earnt. SJWalker (talk) 15:58, January 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Promotions require special examinations of the users. I agree with Leo. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 00:19, January 30, 2015 (UTC)

XPanetta Edit

Heads up to all the users, XPanetta is going onto other wikis to convince users to un-block him now that Ilan is gone. Ignore him, if the harassment continues, report him to an admin, or if you can block him from the wiki like I have. See the latest log on The Bill Wikia, where I am a Bureaucrat (he has been blocked from said wiki). The first notice was in September, and the most recent was today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Leon Davis (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Thanks for the warning Leo. Considering Tom was one of the ones harrassed by X I can't see him unblocking X any time soon, but we'll all keep our eyes open for him. I think eventually Wikia will do an IP block on him if he continues his harrassment and gets blocked from wikis one by one. SJWalker (talk) 16:38, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I blocked him a month ago on another Wiki for harassing Smashbro. Ever since he got blocked he has so far only cross-wiki harrassed administrators to get unblocked. I'm thinking about filling a report to Wikia against him. I could read once that harrassment can lead to your account being globally blocked. Rain Stalker.exe 17:17, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I'd file a report if I were you Rain. There's enough evidence of harrassment and he even helps us by listing what he was blocked for. SJWalker (talk) 17:41, January 20, 2015 (UTC)

I don't think our admin cleanout has been that drastic that trolls like this will get away with asking to have well-deserved infinite blocks overturned. His current harrassing and pleading and demanding is no different to what he has been doing constantly since he was first warned here, let alone after his block(s). Wikia staff have told him point blank he deserved the block and he should pull his head in, but he hasn't given up. Eventually I think he will get a global Wikia block. In the mean time, I do feel sorry for those of you who have your other wikia activity advertised in your profiles which makes you potential targets for him. smurfy (coms) 07:50, January 21, 2015 (UTC)

He messaged me on my talk page on wikianswers. I reverted the edit stating that I do not wish to discuss GTA Wiki on another wiki. If he continues such harrassment I will block him there. Messi1983 (talk) 11:33, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

ReportEdit

As I am busy today coupled with what appear to be internet problems (pages that take time to load and etc.), I'm putting here all evidence I could gather regarding XPanettaa harrassing others. If anyone can report him, they must do this through this. One should provide evidence of it as I doubt Wikia staff would deal with someone without proof. If anyone has more evidence of it, post it below.

Evidence:

I'll reply to any questions about it on my talk page. Rain Stalker.exe 14:19, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

He knows some of us are admins/bureaucrats of other wikis, he will be harrising us as soon as he knows which wiki we run, he has been in multiple wikis, such as the Midnight Club wiki, the Bill wiki, the Watch Dogs wiki, the Red Dead wiki, the Mafia wiki, he didn't attempt to visit my Scarface wiki yet, but i'll not even answer him, he'll be automatically blocked, he and Sean are a pain in the ass. Signature (talk) 15:41, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

UpdateEdit

Report filed. I have sent a report including the evidence to Wikia, and received an email back saying they will look into the evidence and get back to me within two days if necessary. SJWalker (talk) 15:26, January 22, 2015 (UTC)

I have received an email from the Wiki moderators. Here is the email in full: "Hello, Thanks for contacting us, and apologies for the slow response. I have communicated to XPanettaa that his actions are not reasonable, and that he should desist in his pestering about the block. Hopefully this will have a positive effect. With regards the other user, they do currently have a Wikia-wide block against those accounts - so you shouldn't be continuing to have issues with them. Has there been any recent activity around that? (http://community.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:741274#38appears to come a little out of the blue, the previous response being in November). Thanks again for bringing this to our attention, and best regards, George Marbulcanti (Kirkburn) Wikia Community Support" SJWalker (talk)

XPanettaa is still trying to get unblocked, and AK-28 is attempting to advise him on how to do that - [1]. Jeff (talk·stalk) 02:54, January 28, 2015 (UTC)

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