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This noticeboard is for discussion and voting on changes to the wiki, reporting vandalism and wiki rule breaking, and reporting bad or unfair behaviour from GTA Wiki staff.
 
This noticeboard is for discussion and voting on changes to the wiki, reporting vandalism and wiki rule breaking, and reporting bad or unfair behaviour from GTA Wiki staff.
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Votes for the expiration of a Patroller's probation will also be held here.
   
 
For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
We currently have a lot of staff so there will be no more Patroller requests for a while. Current Patrollers may request to be promoted to Admin status by voting on the Requests for Promotion Page.
 
   
 
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== Anonymous Users Should be Allowed==
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'''Please input your new requests above the old ones. That way, we can easily spot it rather than looking for it.'''
   
::<font color=red>'''RESOLVED: Anonymous editing will ''not'' be allowed'''</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:28, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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==Probation Expiry: [[User:Camilo Flores|Camilo Flores]]==
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'''''Closed as successful by''''' [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 19:50, June 28, 2015 (UTC)
I have noticed on many active wikis that anonymous users are allowed. And when you check some of these wiki's recent wiki activity you'll see that a large amount of edits are done by anonymous users. So what I'm trying to say is that GTA Wiki should allow unregistered users to edit freely. This would make the wiki much more active and encourage some of these anonymous users to sign up and become registered users. Sure there may be a vandal here and there, but with the large staff this could easily be stopped. And if possible, an admin or Bureaucrat could block the Anonymous User account for a week. Please consider this as I believe this could do great for the wiki.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:37, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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Leave votes below for the probation expiry of Camilo Flores (Admins and bureaucrats only. Patrollers and non-staff can still leave comments).
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:37, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 17:39, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:42, June 8, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''NO''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 11:07, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 12:29, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*Neutral - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]])
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Oh Hell No - [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 13:26, June 9, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
*'''No''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup> 14:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' -[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 03:49, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*No [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:53, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 10:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:41, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*The GTA Myths Wiki as well as others I see allow anonymous users and I don't think it would be a big deal. We should try it out; but if there is lots of vandals then reverse it. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:42, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*A brilliant editor, corrections are almost faultless. He deserves his spot, as he his kind, friendly and non-argumentative. Nothing much else to say! ''' '''{{Monkeypolice188/Sig}}''' '''18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*Yeah, but what if some of them are anon vandals? - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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**Monk, patrollers can't vote, so you'll have to remove your vote. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 17:44, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*Same as Mikey. It is not a secret that any second anon is a vandal: it is impossible to trust anons, at least in my eyes. Sure, Wikia is all about making a community, but anons are a different story. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 11:07, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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***Yeh, I just realized. I removed the vote, but I'll keep my comment. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|50px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|35px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 17:48, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*There will not be "a vandal here and there". There will be dozens of vandals per day. Just think about it this way - Wikia and Wikipedia tout their everyone-can-edit rule like it's a religion. For them to turn off anonymous editing completely on this wiki just proves the magnitude of the anonymous vandalism problem this wiki once had. In fact, I'd bet that even if this resolution passes, Wikia Staff would veto it. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 12:33, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*Cam's handled the step up well. No real problems to report. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*We already have problems with registered users, unregistered users would bring even more problems. But I agree we should have more Admins. For example, there's some guy who is adding Fanon content and me and Jeansowaty are the only one who spotted him? I'm voting '''No'''. <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*Cam surprised me, I didn't expect him to be such an awesome patroller during his probation. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 17:53, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*'''We already have problems with registered users, unregistered users would bring even more problems''' - Sums it up perfectly. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 22:56, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*It's too early but two days will not change my opinion, Camilo has improved on probation and is up to the job. Yes from me. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
*As per Dan's last comment. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:53, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Camilo definitely deserves the spot to me. He has improved tremendously on his probation. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*Well, that ended up quickly. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:02, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Cam is always improving himself every day, so why not retaining as a patroller? He will definitely make good use of his tools. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#DBA901">My</span><span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span>]]) 09:47, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
*thumbs up the last comment* [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:34, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*As far as general patrolling duties, he's doing fine. As a contributor, the language barrier is still a problem. I started keeping track of the poor grammar edits but gave up when the list became too long. The grammar is still "Google Translate" level and is the sort of thing a patroller should be fixing, not causing. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
*I agree with Jeff and Dodo. While I do allow anonymous users to edit on the other Wiki's I run, this Wiki is just too big for that, there are already a lot of users, adding unregistered users to that would make this place almost unmanageable. I think I was the only one around when this Wiki was abandoned, pretty much every unregistered user was a vandal, and it took an incredible amount of time and work to get this Wiki to what it is now, allowing unregistered users will be a step backwards. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 10:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*He needs to improve his grammar, but I'm sure he will work to overcome this issue. Except that, I agree with most of you and think he's proven he's ready to be a patroller. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
*In my opinion, I disagree but not at all. The bad part is, that each day we need to check if these new users are doing good edits, reasonable work, and don't messing up with the pages, we had a lot of problem with it. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:44, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==WE NEED MORE STAFF- Raise the Admin limit to 8==
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==Probation Expiry: [[User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188]]==
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'''Closed''' as <font color="green">Probation Successful</font> by [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 16:41, June 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
::<font color=red>'''RESOLVED:''' Proposal to raise admin limit to 8 failed. </font><b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:29, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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Leave votes below for our latest probation expiry, for Monkeypolice188.
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===Votes===
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*'''Yes'''- [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:22, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 21:49, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 22:03, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 22:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:15, June 13, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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===Comments===
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*Monk had a few issues when he joined, which were ironed out before his promotion, a reason why he is on probation. If you ask me they are an issue of the past now and he has gotten over them. He is a much better user and has been working well in his role as Patroller. A yes from me. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:22, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with Leo, he had some problems at first but he has gotten better and I feel that he deserves to keep the position. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 21:49, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Monk deserves the position, he knows and enforces the policies and is one of the most active editors here. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 22:03, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Had a minor indiscretion with WildBrick and Rain last week (which he apologised to both users for) but in the grand scheme of things a relatively isolated incident which shouldn't overshadow the whole three months, as he's ironed out the early teething troubles. Probation worked for Andre and it's worked for Monk. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 22:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Monk had some relapses here and there during his probation, but who doesn't get carried away sometimes? He apologized and learned from his mistakes, he will make a good patroller. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 01:37, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*A good chatter, editor and rollbacker, of course he deserves to be a patroller. Since votes are limited to admins and b'crats, I shall not vote. However, it will definitely be a yes from me. :) [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#DBA901">My</span><span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span>]]) 06:02, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Not a fan of his attitude at times, mine isn't any better either, but he usually does a great job (finding all top speeds, acceleration times, etc. is an example) so I wouldn't say no if I were allowed to vote. I believe he can improve a lot as a full patroller. The only problem I really have with him is that he, sometimes, is disputing facts but other than that I don't see much reasons for him not to become a patroller.<br />Off topic: 558050, patrollers are not allowed to vote on users on probation so you'll have to remove your vote. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 10:33, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Patroller vote removed (thanks for pointing that out Wildbrick). [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Been giving this a bit of though all day. I'm wary of throwing stones from a particularly fragile glasshouse here, but have to point out that this has been far from a blemish-free period of probation and another case is ongoing right now with the [[Osiris]]. I'm not sure he is learning from his mistakes as much as has been suggested. '''However''', with that said, I don't think the battles he's been involved in over the last few months should prevent the transition from probationary to patroller just because he's been on the wrong side of a few and has taken a while to back down. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*I'd just like to say, thanks guys for being there for me and giving me the chance to show my real self. I may not of been the best of probational patrollers on record (probably the worst, come to think of it), but I really will try to improve my decisions (that's my real fault, I make the wrong choices here, and make everything seem bad), and if that means me having to get told off or avoid making choices all together, well so be it. I really can be a good patroller, and I'll do my best to prove it, after all I am one of the most active users on this wiki, so I really can get a lot done in a short space of time, whether that's article edits, minor correction, talk pages and user talk pages, I will do whatever I can to improve this wiki. Thank you guys! {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 11:14, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sorry to be late but you definitely deserve to keep your spot Monk. You've had trouble on this wiki when you first started but like 558 said, almost everybody did, including me. What matters most is that you improved from your warnings and kept doing what you are doing. Now, you are one of the most active patrollers here and use your tools very well. You have greatly improved and I am proud of you. Keep it up. A "Yes" from me. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:15, June 13, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*I've seen his contributions and his handling of his patroller spot and I'm impressed, but as all first time staff members (including myself), we have our hiccups every now and then and he seems to learn from his mistakes. Monkeypolice earns the right to be regarded as an official patroller here on GTA Wiki. -[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]
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==Notification - Infobox Beta redesign for mobile compatibility==
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See [[GTA Wiki:Community Noticeboard/Mobile Infobox Project|the project page]].
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Anyone wanting to learn the new markup for infobox design is welcome to observe and possibly participate, the project is not limited to staff only. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 13:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
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==Sliders on infoboxes==
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[[User:AndreEagle17|I]] was talking to [[User:WildBrick142|WildBrick]] about the [[Marshall]] infobox, as we can see, there's a slider which changes the main picture every second, so I asked him about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple generations, he disagreed because it's too simple to add sliders, instead it's better to keep two images separete, however, he agreed that vehicles with multiple liveries should have sliders, such as the many [[Burrito]]s, the many [[Boxville]]s and the [[Hotring Racer]]s. It would make much more simple than a text on the description and the many gallery pictures, so I had to post this on the noticeboard, what do you think about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple liveries?
   
Currently the GTA Wiki has '''3 Bureaucrat''', '''5 Admins''', & '''8 Patrollers. '''Once GTA V is fully released there will be a flood of new users. Some users will be good editors, some will unintentionally make mistakes and others will be vandals. My proposal would be to have one of 8 patrollers assigned to one of 8 admins. This would make it easy for one admin not to get overwhelmed with his duties. Of course patrollers could still contact another admin and fellow patrollers but this new reporting system would improve the responce time as in the past, vandals were not stoped for a while. It would almost be like individual teams that would make up the whole GTA staff.  I hope you all consider this great plan to assure a promt responce in any situation that could damage the GTA Wiki. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:52, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
===Proposal===
 
*3 Bureaucrats
 
*8 Admins (assigned one patroller)
 
*8 Patrollers (assigned one admin)
 
*Staff total: 19 (18.75% increase)
 
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:52, June 10, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 15:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes and No''' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 04:12, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''<s>No</s>''' '''Yes '''- [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:29, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 17:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:59, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No -''' <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 07:20, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:JohnSignature.jpg|200px|link=User talk:JohnnyD-the-VGNerd]] 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:15, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*On Hold - pending compatibility/rendering issues. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Approve '''
*'''Probably''' - [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 03:57, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 13:45, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 11:52, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No - '''[[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Leave me a message]]) 14:33 ,June 12, 2013
 
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*As I stated above this proposal is about further limiting the potential damage vandals and confussed users can do on the wiki. This "team" system will also allow for a faster responce time and more organized effort to secure the GTA Wiki agginst potential threats.
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*Wildbrick's right. Unless there's tonnes of different liveries (like the Marshall), I really don't think a slider is needed. I think it's best to either put the unique variants in the infobox (eg, Post Op Livery), or put the different regular liveries in a gallery "variant" section (eg, the Mule's different liveries). [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*I partially agree with this. I do agree that we need three more admins and patrollers to keep the Wiki smooth running. However, the staff can't be on the Wiki all day. We have lives outside the Interweb and the Wiki. That's a problem (and I contribute to that) that will never be resolved. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 04:09, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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**But that's my point, if the vehicle has dozens of liveries, we add sliders, like I said, for the Burritos, Boxvilles and Hotring Racers. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 16:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*I don't really see any logic in assigning patrollers to certain admins to report an issue. I don't think any admins are getting "overwhelmed". And about raising the amount of admins to eight seems a little high, but the release of GTA V may call for this. I'm not sure. I'll think about it. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:29, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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***As I said, I don't think there's enough of those liveries to put in the infobox as a slider. Look, there's 25 different liveries for the Marshall, and only 3 (in two games) liveries for the Hotring Racer. I still think it would only be usefull for things that have more than 10 liveries. Putting sponsors or company liveries (found on trucks) in the infobox as a slider might work however, it depends how many there are to me. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 16:29, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*We already have enough admins and bureacrats to cover the different times zones, except the far east. The only new additions to the Bureacrat and Admin team should be from the far west or far east, so that we have strong coverage for each time zone. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:59, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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****Just understood what Andre and Wild meant, I always get so confused as they right so much in such large pieces of text. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 19:46, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*I agree we should have more admins, yesterday we were 3 active patrollers who spotted that vandal, but we couldn't stop him until an Admin logged in. Since I'm one of the patrollers who wants to be promoted in the future, my vote won't count anyway. Also, 8 Admins seems a little too much, in my opinion 7 would be enough.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup>
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*To clear some things up; The slider is only for liveries. Vans or trucks that have different company on them. Vehicles and their generations are split as normal if it's a different model name and share the same in-game name. Boxvilles would stay the same with the exception of LSDWP and LSDS Boxvilles as they are the same model but different liveries.<br />[[Template:Infobox Tester]] has the [[Burrito]] page with how the infobox would look like (ofc. changes will be made because even though the snowy one is a different model name, it appears only once ever which means it's better suited for Variants section - for same reason Humane Boxville is not included in the infobox). The slider still needs fixing though because it displays unused ones (as you can see on the page). [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*Yeah, I think it would be a good idea to have more admins, but as Dodo said, it would be a bit too much with 8. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*The slider for multiple liveries will keep the galleries cleaner but as for multiple generations, no, we have the second image for that. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 17:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*We don't need more admins, but we do need more patrollers: 6 admins is enough (for now) and our cuurent limit for patrollers is 8 anyway (so your proposal doesn't increases this limit). I personally think that limit for patrollers should be increased to 12.-- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*I think we could use the slider for multiple liveries and also for vehicles with different Universe designs ([[Perennial]], [[Intruder]], etc), although I'm probably in the minority here. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*I agree with Ilan. That's why we're currently allowing requests to become a patroller. But I think we have enough admins at the moment. It's exam time for some admins, hence the current inactivity of me among others, so that may explain why nobody was available at the time. We can revisit this idea in a couple of months, if it's still an issue then we may implement some changes. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*I wouldn't say you stand alone, if it's a car like the Perennial, the Manana or something that vastly changed between 3D and HD Universe I'd be inclined to agree with you. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
**We will check this issue during the summer holiday. If there will be periods of time when no staff will be present I consider we should agree to make the staff bigger.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*Yes please, the [[Boxville]] page definetely need one of those. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*Okay, a couple of points.
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*The page may very messy without this, due to the number of pictures in the gallery. The slider will also make the infobox more informative. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
**First of all, Dodo, your vote does count.
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*This is an excellent idea especially when it comes to vehicles with a lot of variants or liveries. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
**Secondly, I believe we should discuss whether to take on a new admin when GTA V is released, or a little beforehand, so we can deal with the inevitable bad edits, vandalism, arguments over content, and new members.
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*This needs to happen. I really hate to scroll all the way to the bottom from a single page, just to look at its variants. Its a massive chore. [[File:JohnSignature.jpg|200px|link=User talk:JohnnyD-the-VGNerd]] 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
**Thirdly, this idea of assigning a patroller to a certain admin is not logical, and is ridiculous in my opinion. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:26, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*As documented on the Marshall [[Talk:Marshall|talk page]], the slideshow does not currently render in MonoBook wiki layout. This might be something we can fix under the hood but until then, we should not be rolling this out to any other page. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
*I hadn't read the part about patrollers assigned to admins. I agree with Dan on that, and on everything else he said. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 09:48, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*I think sliders for liveries is a good idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
*Not sure if this is the place to put this, but admins and bureacrats do have those boxes urging people to message us. If any one of our editors actually left me a message I would have been able to come and sort out the issue. When I was patrolling I would send messages to every last admin; if other editors did so as well, there would be a greater chance of a quick solution. I still believe that if we do we need an admin, they should be at least GMT +5. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 20:40, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Good point. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 09:48, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*If we're having more admins, make it one more, not three. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*My whole logic is that patrollers really don't have any power to stop an aggressive vandal which is why we need more editors with blocking power. The number 8 for admins makes sense since there will be 8 patrollers. The problem isn't that there is not enough patrollers, but rather there isn't enough admins. Adding three admins would fill the gaps that are missing at the moment. As it is there are vandals; once V is out, bet that number to double. Everyone has there own time they are active, so more admins would further protect the wiki. The time is now to be prepared for the near future. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:39, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* The thing about admins is that being an administrator is a much bigger deal than being a patroller. Administrators have to be patient, reliable, responsible, and knowledgeable about GTA Wiki's policies - even the unpopular ones like the [[GTA Wiki:Image Policy|Image policy]]. We've promoted one admin who would plead with vandals to pleasepleaseplease be nice instead of blocking them while they laughed in his face and kept vandalizing, and we've promoted one admin who wasn't even remotely qualified and ended up getting demoted for saying there was ''nothing for him to do''. That's why I'm very hesitant when it comes to promoting people to admin, and to opening promotion back up again. Opening up a position for one more administrator is something I'd probably vote in favor of if someone made that proposal, but another thing I want to make clear - an empty spot doesn't guarantee that any particular person's going to get the position, and an empty spot doesn't mean that there's any great urgency to fill that spot. Admins need to be qualified and reliable. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 13:44, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I agree with you. Being an admin doesn't make you god of that wiki. Most wikis I visit just to read have a crap load of admins, yet, they don't do a damn thing. Promoting someone an admin, they will go AWOL then causes disturbances and disputes. If we ever do promote a Patroller to Admin, we can't take their word for it; we need to check if the user has good, quality edits and check if the user is on good terms. As for the Patrollers, we are only given the Rollback tool Chat blocking tool. What you said about how they (we) can't stop aggressive vandals, that could be a problem. Even worse if there are no admins active. This request on this noticeboard is a yes and no to others and I and when it closes, this is something I could look back on after the release of GTA V. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 18:02, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* I'm voting '''Yes''' because of what Sasquatch just said. Once GTA V is out there will be more confused new users and vandals. It would be smarter to get new admins now and prepare, rather than later.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 16:58, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* What about the proposal to assign on admin to one patroller? My first point was that this would improve the responce time to a vandal. What I was also thinking was that it would make sure admins and patrollers are very involved, and performing their job. Of course taking a couple days off is normal, but this new system would weed out the editors that have lost interest and would freeup positions for enthusiastic editors. We could also have a reward system where the team with the most edits that month get a badge or some recognition in the wiki community. The team system would not only be a fun reward system, but a functional tool to make sure everyone is performing in their position. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:39, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
::As both I and other people have said, if anyone catches a rampaging vandal (by which I mean someone vandalizing as many pages as he can manage, not just a drive-by vandal) they shouldn't edit war with the vandal - they should inform ''all'' of the admins and b'crats and then completely ignore the vandal. Even if the vandal gets fresh and tries to remove the message, the admins will still get the "you have new messages waiting" and have the sense to check their talk page history to see what's going on if they don't see any new messages. There's no reason to assign patrollers to individual admins. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 02:59, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Ok ok, what about we raising at least to 1 more bureaucrat, and 2 admins? That wouldn't be a bad idea...
 
PS.: Arrrrrghhhh I don't have much time to see the new updates, beacause the school is killing me (not really, but you know right...). Bloody hell, I'll try to check posts, this friday ok? [[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Leave me a message]]) 14:33, June 12, 2013
 
**There'll always have to be an odd number of bureaucrats, since there are occasional bureaucrat-only votes. And what I said about promoting people to admin goes double for promoting them to b'crat. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:55, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I thought better and I changed my vote to '''No'''. I believe we should have 1 or 2 more admins, and maybe a few more patroller, but is fine for now.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
   
<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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==Sockpuppetry==
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'''Resolved''' = Obvious sockpuppet blocked. Closed by [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
==Affiliation with Watch Dogs Wiki==
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Ok, so, we had a [[User:DomWoody|user]] vandalize many staff member user pages, and vandalize articles a while back. It appears we have a sockpuppet[[User:Domwoodygaming|: Domwoodygaming]].
   
::<font color=orange>'''RESOLVED''': The margin of support falls short of the 70% required to enact the affiliation</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 01:20, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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It is almost certainly them, given the name is exactly the same, bearing only the "gaming" attachment. This was made shortly before they started vandalizing other pages on their original account, suggesting they were planning on vandalizing pages and trying to get banned, and had another account ready for when they got banned.
I know since the beginning of time this wiki has been running completely on its own. The [http://watch-dogs.wikia.com/wiki/Watch_Dogs_Wiki Watch Dogs Wiki] has many similarities with GTA wikia; it uses similar framework as I quite like the GTA wiki setup and similar category networks. I think it would be nice if we could get some more editors interested in editing there. I don't want to put too much emphasis on the affiliation so just a picture link on the main page somewhere would be all. Also linking the two titles together could be beneficial to readers, as the two games share a lot in common as well. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:04, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:Since (as of this post) the proposal has not quite enough votes to pass but does have majority support, as well as sporadic voter participation, it shall remain open for a few extra days. Proposals need 70% support to succeed, this one currently has 62.5%. Patrollers and admins who have not voted because they don't care are allowed to vote "no preference", "no opinion", "indifferent" or something similar. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:34, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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[[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD.png|125px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Dispatch Unit - Monkeypolice188]] [[File:Loudhailer-V-render.png|55px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|"Put your hands up!"]] [[File:StunGun-GTA5-ingame.png|40px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|"What have you been doin'?"]] 20:55, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
::5 days and one additional 'no' vote later, I'm closing this as a failed proposal. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 01:20, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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=== Comments ===
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*The "sockpupet" account created and edited his own user page, just before the original accout started to vandalize. All edits were made on one single day! However, just to be sure, it's best to keep an eye on the sockpuppet account first, as he had not made any edits since the original account had been blocked, as of yet, and this may need more evidence to proof that both accounts were sockpuppets. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#DBA901">My</span><span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span>]]) 22:44, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*Reports of this nature need to be made to Admin/Bureaucrat staff, not made on the community noticeboard. This is an obvious sockpuppet account and has been blocked. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
===Votes===
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==Use of the "Deceased" symbol==
*'''Yes''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:07, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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Symbol use in infoboxes approved, DECEASED- Skull, INCARCERATED- Handcuffs
*'''No - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)'''
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DETERMINANT- Question Grave. Vote closed by [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes - '''[[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Message]]) 15:52, June 13, 2013
 
*'''Yes -''' <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:50, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]])
 
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 14:13, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 14:02, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
===Comments===
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Four users ([[User:SJWalker|myself]], Sean, Marcus and RainingPain) have been discussing how to list characters as deceased in various sections (members, relatives etc.) of infoboxes. One case is character templates, where deceased characters have been identified with a crucifix (†) symbol. As Sean points out, they make the page look cleaner, but they can also impose religious connotations on others, which may not be appropriate on some pages. Since we all have varying opinions on how this should be identified, Sean suggesting setting up a community vote, so here we go:
*It doesn't really important if the two titles share similar features, as even the wikis with the most different subjects can become affiliated. I do think, however, this is a very good idea and may open a door us to affiliate with more Wikis. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:07, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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*To say Watch Dogs Wiki should be an affiliate to the GTA Wiki really makes no sense. It is not related to GTA in any way; that alone should be the deal killer. Saints row is a GTA clone, and has very similar attributes, but it is not GTA and therefore should not be able to tap into the GTA network. Grand Theft Answers and Rockstar Games Wiki should really be the ones considered affiliates at the moment. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
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In infobox sections (such as relatives, members etc), should deceased characters be identified in '''Written''' form, or through the use of a '''Symbol'''?
*#You don't seem to understand the affiliation concept; (as ILan pointed out) the topics don't have to be similar in order for an affiiliation to be made; do some research - look at other wikis that belong to affiliate groups. One thing that I love about Wikia is the community that exists and the various wikis with interesting information, social integration is something tha we could do with, for our own editors and maybe to attract new talent.
 
*#Plus it would be good for readers to have quicker access to other wikis that we affiliate with. Limiting our affiliation just to GTA-related wikis, kind of defeats the object of community integration and linking.
 
*#<span style="line-height:21px;">"</span>''It is not related to GTA in any way''<span style="line-height:21px;">" - a view that indicates little research done before speaking. I suggest people do some research before voting if they wish to agree with this statemnt. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 09:39, June 13, 2013 (UTC)</span>
 
*Well I see no problem to affiliate with other wiki, and plus as Ilan said, it's a good idea... [[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Message]]) 15:52, June 13, 2013
 
*It's a good idea! Also, we should list the Rockstar Games Wiki too.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*Go ahead. And like Dodo said, you should add the [http://rockstargames.wikia.com/Main_Page Rockstar Games Wiki] too. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:50, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Credit to Sasquatch, it was his idea :) <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
**In that case, good idea Sasquatch. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:52, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Thanks. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
**@Jbanton, You have a real pissy tone in your responce to the comment I made which is a sign that you are a very insecure person. Now thats out of the way, you should look at the wikis that are GTA wiki affiliates and note it's only GTA related.  I very much understand the affiliates concept as I was the one who lobbied for an affiliates section on this wiki. I know you have been fighting to get your foot in the door over at "watch dogs wiki" as an admin, but that is no reason to use the GTA Wiki name as a way to boost activity on an ill qualified wiki. YOU who should be looking out for this wiki, not others you are trying to boot activity on for your own reputation. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
**#We don't have affiliates, hence why I have this proposal here.
 
**#You really should research; I've been an admin there for a little while actually, your misconceptions and naivety ''("use the GTA Wiki name as a way to boost activity on an ill qualified wiki")'' are uncalled for and poorly founded.
 
**#GTA Wiki belongs to Wikia, editors don't have to pledge full allegiance to one topic. Also this is not the place for (poorly researched) personal atacks. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 07:04, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
***Stop it, guys. You're part of the GTA Staff, you shouldn't fight eachother.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
***Enough! No more personal attacks. Both of you need to calm down.  - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:34, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I'm not sure if we are allowed to add amendments or that sort of thing to proposals, but could we also affiliate with other Rockstar title wikis, such as [[w:c:reddead|Read Dead Wiki]] and Midnight Club wiki? [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 17:19, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Nah, I think we should be affiliated or "allied" to Wikis only with the Rockstar Games as the developer/publisher, Watch Dogs could be a nice game but it has nothing to share with GTA. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*It's nothing against Watch Dogs Wiki, but in my experience "affiliated wikis" never leads to anything good and usually leads to a fight between the wikis when malcontents from one jump over to the other and start causing problems. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 03:12, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I think so, because then we can build a bridge in a way for larger communitys joining the Watch Dogs wiki and to here as well. [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 14:15, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This has now run for a little over a week. Five votes in favour versus three against. I'm guessing this can be closed as the motion having passed. I have taken on board Jeff's comment and will do my best to ensure that nonsene and trolls are not shared, mainly by stamping them out in the first place at the affiliated wiki. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 07:54, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Edit Requirement==
 
::<font color=red>'''FAILED'''</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:30, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
I've noticed that some staff members (I won't name names) are inactive sometimes. So to ensure that the GTA Wiki staff is active and doing their job properly, we should have a "three strike rule". What I'm saying is that  if a staff member didn't produce 30 edits at the end of the month, that person would recieve "a strike". And if that peticular staff member recieved three stikes in one year, he or she would be demoted. This sytem would make sure every staff member is quallified for their job and flush out the ones who are not. This would also possibly open up staff positions for people who are quallified for the job, rather than the ones who are not. For an active and quallified staff member 30 edits a month should not be a problem; if it is, then you are not cut out for the job and are just holding up precious staff positions. One edit a day is not too much to ask for. And to make sure every staff member is producing 30 edits a month, three trusted editors at the end f each month whould check every one of the staffs contributions.
 
====Proposition:====
 
*30 edits are required each month by a staff member.
 
*If 30 edits are not executed, that staff member will recieve a strike.
 
*If a staff member recieves three strikes in a year, he or she is demoted.
 
*Edit counters - Three trusted staff members who check the staff's contributions each month.
 
Please vote and leave a comment. Thankyou.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:44, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:47, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol '''- [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*'''Symbol''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 12:50, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*Symbol -[[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 21:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Absolutely Not''' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 15:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''Yes, great idea!''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol (deathmatch marker) ''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Written''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Written''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''<s>Written</s>''' '''Symbol - '''{{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 20:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 22:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*I think this is a great idea, and is an easy edit requirement for a staff member. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:47, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This would be useless if the staff member knows the rule. It ain't that hard to produce 30 edits a month.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*Thirty edits are quite easy to produce, and the staff are required to have administration skills, not just editing. Also the introduction of the system would penalise users who produce edits that add a lot to articles, but come in lower amounts. Finally, we have the sixty day rule, so I don't think the addition of a new system is really necessary. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 12:57, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Unnecessarily bureaucratic. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*So let me get this straight, you want to demote Staff members that are inactive for a month? What about users who have a reason for being inactive? Is Messi going to be demoted because of his medical reasons? Is Jeff going to be demoted because he in in West Virginia? Am I going to be demoted because I can't edit all the time because I'm on vacation? Seems to me that you didn't quite think this out wholly. There is a rule on the [[GTA Wiki:Staff]] page for users who are inactive for no given reasons. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 15:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Tony is right. Next year I will be in the eighth grade. In my country, we have to learn very, very, very much for the Romanian and Maths exams, which are very difficult. I won't be active all day during this period, but I'll try to check the wiki at least once a day. Being a staff member doesn't means you have to produce many edits, but to keep the wiki off vandals and check issues.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
**Tony said all of what I wanted to say. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:27, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I really agree with this idea, it was one of the most brilliant ideas I ever saw, so, there's a lot of "newbies" who been keeping a hard work in the edits and they have not the chance to become a standard (so sorry). And if one of the staff member did not his part in a month, he should be "expelled". In my part I think things have been done good, the 1000 edits in March and I really excuse my absence in the months of April and May in cause of someones death in my family. Today no one of the staff's member is going inactive so that's good. So sorry about the newbies but I agree with your idea and I think your idea needs to be applied. Like Dodo I'm too in the eight grade and I need to learn a lot but, I always try to help the Wikia meanwhile these days.. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I believe those who are extremely inactive (not editing for more than a few months; not responding to messages) should be considered for demotion, but "strike" thingy would be too difficult to accomplish.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
:::Users such as Bob.cutlass2, Haruhi, and GTANiKo are prime examples of long inactive users. The "strikes" effect is problematic and unprofessional, it's like playing baseball. Each users' contributions should be checked, should the users go inactive without any reasons. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 18:34, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::We have a policy that says anyone who goes inactive for 3 months is automatically demoted to patroller. As far as people who are barely active but who edit just often enough to keep from getting demoted, I suppose the way to handle that would be for someone to file a request for demotion against them. But what kind of work they do should also be taken into consideration, as should whether they intend to become active again when GTAV comes out. It can be assumed that editors who get promoted are among the best of editors, and punishing them for not being active should be done reluctantly. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 23:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::::This sounds like a great idea to keep the wiki running strongly. I think the 30 edit requirement is fine, and if someone can't even tack up 30 edits a month then they have probably lost interest altogether. Waiting for V shouldn't be an excuse for long periods of not contributing, or very little as we are all waiting for V and there are still plenty of things to improve apon. It's a yes for me it really shouldn't scare anyone that is activley involved. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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*I think the crucifix means more of religion than death, but I think it should be added to a character's relative who is dead, like [[Packie McReary]], in the ''relatives'' section of his infobox, there should be; [[Derrick McReary]]†, but in the status section, it's better if we write ''Deceased''. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*This concept is massively flawed. Firstly, an editor could write 20 complete articles in a month, and be given a strike for inactivity, that's ludicrous. It isn't about the edit count, it's about the significance of each edit. Secondly, we have a policy in place, and we demote inactive users, the current system is much more professional. The three strike idea is such a primary school concept. I could think of more flaws in this idea, but that's redundant now, I think I've got my point across. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:07, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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**The relatives etc. section was the section we were discussing Andre. If you look on the Lost MC page, the members section in the infobox uses the crucifix. I'll re-word the statement to make it clearer. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 14:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*I know this wiki doen't like change, but I suggested this idea in the first place because I believe the current one (which is that you'll be demoted if you're inactive for three months) isn't working. I hate to say, but Winter Moon abuses the current rule by doing one or two edits a month just to keep his admin position. If this new rule was put into place he would be gone quickly, opening up an admin position for a patroller who deserves it. This rule would keep this from happening again. Sure the rule can bend a bit if your on vacation or something, or you have many large edits. But five large edits a month I believe aren't enough to be part of the staff. Being part of the staff is a priveledge, not a right.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:40, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
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*If the crucifix is such a problem, I may come up with a skull icon. That one wouldn't have any religious connotation whatsoever. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
:It also seems unfair that if you can't contribute 30 edits, you are demoted. What about Winter Moon? He is out, yet he can still edit here snd there to maintain his position and stay active. If you see my rant similar to this, you'll see what I'm talking about. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 11:18, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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**Good idea Rain. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
:::To exemplify what Tom, was saying; If a user makes only twenty-five edits like [http://gta.wikia.com/Unnamed_Truck?diff=prev&oldid=430921 this], [http://gta.wikia.com/Dewbauchee_GT?diff=prev&oldid=383188 this] or [http://gta.wikia.com/Maibatsu_Sports_Coup%C3%A9?oldid=422600 this], they would still be punsihed although they had gone to the effort of adding over half a gigabyte's worth of information. The system is fine as it is. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:48, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
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*We are living in an era where everyone can look at a symbol, a opinion or a idea and immediately feel ofended by it. If anyone look at that crucifix and say that we are imposing religious believe on him, I would say to him shut up and grow a pair, the crucifix is a universal symbol of death, on the context of the page it has nothing to do with religion, get over with. If anyone see religious symbolist on the crucifix is because they want to. The last thing I want right now, is to see this site bend over this ridiculous politically correct bullshit that have been plaguing the media for the past years.
*This vote has ended, but I feel I need to add my two cents on this. So here it goes. Winter Moon has not abused any rule. He has every right to edit as little as possible, as he might be busy with his life outside this wiki. That is what some people can never fathom on here, people have lives outside this wiki. I hope a stupid proposal like this never pops up again. If it does, I shall delete it immediately, as in my opinion, it is nothing but trolling. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I agree. Not only it is trolling, but it is ''greed''. This purposal is actually wanting inactive staff to go demoted so current patrollers or normal good editors can apply for promotion. In a way, you, Messi, were inactive due to medical reasons. That's excuseable. Most staff go inactive without any reasons (sans Winter Moon). Hypotheticly speaking, if this purposal came to fruitition, inactive admins would go inactive and it would have made room for patrollers, wanting to become admin so badly. Same thing for patrollers; I'm inactive, but I have a reason for that. If I get demoted, Instulent and/or Kingrrhem would get my position. That's is just greed and it is awfully unfair and wrong. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 23:45, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Edit guide for new users who don't know how to edit and use the Wikia==
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*Besides, writing ''deceased'' on everything is ugly, and as Sean said, the crucifix makes it seem more clean. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
: '''<font color = blue>Idea extended below this purposal</font> --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:12, June 26, 2013 (UTC) 
 
So, let put the cards on the table, I have an idea and I think it should be applied. The point is, new users ( a lot of people with less then 10 edits who started their accounts few days ago ) and they simply start editing the pages, without to have the knowledge and sense, how it works and how to use the Wikia ( edits formation, use of the talk page ). That's why I started to "keep an eye" in these users, normally I check the Wiki Activity everyday and I see edits from newbies, 50% from these edits are completely wrong, ( having nothing to share with gta, catastrophic grammar, messing up the pages ) and unfortunately I need to revert it, after this I always post in their talk pages a little advice and help how to edit and they don't even answer it. So my idea is, when someone creates an account, he/she should receive a edit guide and read it all before start editing in the Wikia, that should help them. I appreciate your positive acknowledgment.
 
--'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 20:31, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
===Votes===
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**Understood now, changed my vote. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:36, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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*What if deceased was identified as the word deceased but written in the color red.along with the crucifix {{userlinks|TevanoRCMP}}
*''Yes'' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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**Won't solve the issue. Just make the infobox look even worse than right now. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 15:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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*The symbol works in the character templates and it will work in the infoboxes. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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*Seeing how the odds of my suggestion wont look good I am voting as symbol. I would hate to see the cruucifix to go away [[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 16:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:08, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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*Since I am a Christian, I can say that the symbol we use is based on the "Cross", which Jesus was hung on, along with what we wear on jewelry for "protection". However, adding the cross symbol to mean deceased is not a good idea, since most editors here are atheists and therefore do not believe in any religion. Still, I'd go for the symbol since it makes the pages look cleaner. As Rain said, a skull symbol is more understanding and less argumentive of a topic than the use of the cross symbol. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''Yes''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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**So what if most editors are atheists? The cross is there to symbolize that the character is dead, not that he was christian or anything like that. If most editors here are atheists, thats their problem. Hell, DocVinewood is atheist and he doesn't care about this. The way that we edit the wikia shouldn't be a reflex of the staff religious beliefs.- [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***Well, I believe that the cross isn't a good symbol to use. As WildBrick said, it can offend some users. Plus a Cross isn't used in reality to define a dead character at all. Also, you misread what I was saying. I didn't say that the Cross meant characters were Christians, but that the Cross isn't a good symbol to use for everyone. We have religious and non-religious editors here. A better symbol to use is a skull, which makes more sense and is a less argumentative topic. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:47, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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****This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality I was arguing against in my first comment, this whole "some people might get offended by it!", fuck this people! No seryously, fuck then. If these people can't see pass their religious beliefs, then they might as well stay away from the internet as a whole. Changing the way we operate things just because some small amound of people are too simple minded to accept that others can have different opinions of the world as they is bullshit, plain and simple. And I say this as a catholic myself. And the cross can have tons of different meanings depending of with person you ask for, the most common meaning is the christian one: death and ressurection, DEATH and ressurection.- [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with 558. The crucifix is an universal symbol and everybody knows what it means, there is no need to change it. I'm an atheist and I don't have any problem with it, nor I'm offended in the slightest. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*<nowiki>True as i don't see how the crucifix could offend anyone and well said Doc if it ain't broke don't fix it. ~~~~</nowiki>
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*Probably gonna be alone on this one but, yeah, written.<br /><br />First, the crucifix is mostly used as a symbol of christianity. Many people have different opinions of it whether it's good or bad. Not everyone might understand this though which can cause confusions. Remember, we live in a world filled with different opinions and religions which means some people will get offended by it and some won't. Some mightn't even know what that logo/symbol means (there are people like that) which will cause confusion and distrubance.<br /><br />Second. Cleaner yeah, effortful nah. The reason why I'm against this is because there isn't a point to these. "<small>(deceased)</small>" does the job just fine. It does not make the infobox ugly and it does give some bit of information. Unless you're using a 800x600 CRT (probably there are no issues even with that), there is absolutely no problems with it. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? Also how hard is it to type out "<nowiki><small>(deceased)</small></nowiki>"? It's no different than looking for and copy-pasting logos. It actually shows some effort put into the page instead of "here, have a random logo - I hope you understand 'cause you gotta find out things by yourself". If we're gonna use a logo to "explain" things, we might as well change all templates into pictures and put everything into abbreviations example being: "TA is a 2-door sc feat. in GTAV & GTAO." <small><small><small><small>(imaginary cookies for whoever actually knows what page's description I shortened like that)</small></small></small></small> I mean it makes the intro for the page cleaner and does give somewhat understandable information. It also doesn't need as much effort as writing the whole thing out so why not?<br /><br />Third, as said, the "<small>(deceased)</small>" does the job just fine. Are we really gonna waste so much of our times to swap everything with a logo? Nobody ever complained about the use of "<small>(deceased)</small>" then someone (don't remember who, I just remember seeing it on wiki activity) pointed out "it makes it cleaner" and suddenly ''everyone'' started losing their mind. Hundreds of pictures are uncategorized, hunderds of pages are stubs or are broken due to changes with whatever, hundreds of useless redirects are on the wiki, hundreds of old templates incompatible with the new design are not fixed... yet noone cares. Nodoby mentiones a thing about these and then suddenly we get a full-blown discussion about whether actual text should be replaced with some logo. Has logic taken a 180 degree turn or something? Even if this idea comes to pass, do we ''need'' to make such a silly issue our top priority?... especially when there actual issues around the wiki? [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Disagree, and i'll use your words: The crucifix does a fine job either, you can see that it works well on other wikis. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***"''Disagree''" Explain why?<br />"''you can see that it works well on other wikis''" Examples on wikis that noone (who supports the symbol) from GTA Wiki edited on? [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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****[[w:c:thelastofus:Henry|Look at this infobox here.]] For me it looks good. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*****[http://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Henry?diff=prev&oldid=45378 Added by an IP address] and you are also editing on this wiki. Fair enough though.<br />Still, "Sam (brother) † " doesn't look that clean to me. Words in bracket and then a symbol, it makes the little character description inconsistent. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:31, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**I think the cross looks nice, look at this [[w:c:godofwar:Kratos|page]] for example, can you imagine how that infobox would look if they put ''deceased'' after every single character? It would look polluted as hell, the cross occupies less space and does the job just fine. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***That's a lot of family members. Anyway, that list and descriptions after it wouldn't look as polluted if bullet points wouldn't be used and the description text would have "<nowiki><small></nowiki>" tags.<br /><br />Valid link and point though, it seems like the symbols were used on that page all the way back in 2010. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*I've thought about it and decided to stick with it in written form. As an athiest I have no opinion on the meaning of the crucifix as it does not offend me in any way, I just think that writing <small>"Deceased"</small> is much clearer and in my opinion makes little/no difference to the layout of the infobox. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*<s>Not everyone can understand symbols, that's all I have to say. I agree with Wild and Sam.</s> Just saw Rain's skull idea. Changed my vote, symbols are always identifiable when it comes to death :P. {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 20:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)18:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*It does seem neater when using the symbol, as the written one may occupy some space in the infobox. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 22:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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{{Infobox gang
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|name = {{Flagicon|United States of America|Flag of the United States}}<br/>The Lost
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|image = The_Lost_Insignia.png
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|game = IV
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|game2 = TLAD
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|game3 = TBOGT
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|game4 = CW
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|game5 = V
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|game6 = O
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|locations = [[Acter]], <br>[[Normandy]],<br>[[Tudor]]<br>[[Alderney]]<br>[[Broker]], [[Liberty City (HD Universe)|Liberty City]]<br>[[East Vinewood]], [[Los Santos (HD Universe)|Los Santos]]<br>[[Stab City]]<br>[[Grand Senora Desert]]<br>[[Hookies]], [[North Chumash]]<br>[[Grapeseed]], [[Blaine County]]
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|leaders = Liberty chapter:<br>[[Billy Grey]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (formerly)<br>[[Johnny Klebitz]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (formerly)<br>Los Santos/Blaine County chapter:<br>[[Johnny Klebitz]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (formerly)<br>[[Al Carter]]
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|type = Outlaw Motorcycle Club
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|enemies = [[The Angels of Death|Angels of Death MC]]<br>[[Pegorino Family]]<br>[[Algonquin Triads]]<br>[[The Commission]]<br>[[Hillside Posse]]<br>[[Russian Mafia]]<br>[[Albanians]]<br>[[Trevor Philips]] [[File:DeterminantCharacterBlip-GTAV.gif|16px|The fate of this character is determined by player choice|link=Category:Determinant Characters]]<br>[[Trevor Philips Enterprises]]<br>[[Jeremy Biker Gang]]<br>[[Varrios Los Aztecas (HD Universe)|Aztecas]]<br>[[The Families]] <small>(GTA Online)</small><br>[[Madrazo Cartel]]<br>[[Los Santos Vagos (HD Universe)|Los Santos Vagos]]
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|affiliations = [[Uptown Riders]]<br>[[Elizabeta Torres]] [[File:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]<br>[[Gunthugs MC]]<br>[[Niko Bellic]]<br>[[Petrovic Bratva]]<br>[[Northwood Dominican Drug Dealers]]<br>[[Los Santos Vagos (HD Universe)|Los Santos Vagos]] <small>(formerly)</small><br>[[Trevor Philips Enterprises]] <small>(formerly)</small>[[The Professionals]] <br>[[Ballas]]
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|colors = Black
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|colours = Black
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|cars = [[Hexer]]<br>[[Lycan]]<br>[[Revenant]]<br>[[Diabolus]]<br>[[Innovation]] <small>(TLAD)</small><br>[[Deamon]]<br>[[Hellfury]]<br>[[Zombie]]<br>[[Bagger]] <small>(only in [[The Underbelly Of Paradise]])</small><br>[[Slamvan]] <small>(TLAD & GTAO)</small><br>[[Duneloader]]<br>[[Gang Burrito]]<br>[[Maverick]]<br>[[Lectro]]
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|weapons = [[Baseball Bat|Bat]]<br>[[Knife]]<br>[[Pistol]]<br>[[Combat Pistol]]<br>[[Automatic 9mm]]<br>[[Pump-Action Shotgun]]<br>[[Sawn-off Shotgun]]<br>[[Assault Shotgun]]<br>[[Micro-Uzi]]<br>[[Assault Rifle]]<br>[[Carbine Rifle]]<br>[[MG]]<br>[[Minigun]]
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|businesses = Drug trafficking<br>Hijacking<br>Illegal racing<br>Armed robbery<br>Arms trafficking<br>Prostitution<br>Methamphetamine production<br>Contract Killing<br>Heists
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|fronts = [[Acter]] clubhouse<br>[[The Range]]<br>[[East Los Santos (HD Universe)|East Los Santos]] clubhouse<br>[[Hookies]]<br>[[Grapeseed]] ranch<br>The Motor Hotel
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|members = [[Billy Grey]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (Formerly)<br>[[Johnny Klebitz]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Jim Fitzgerald]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Brian Jeremy]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]] (Formerly)<br>[[Terry Thorpe]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Clay Simons]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Angus Martin]]<br>[[Jason Michaels]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Lil' Joe]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Lost MC Lady]] [[File:MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown.png|20px]]<br>[[Earl]]<br>[[Horse]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Dave Grossman]]<br>[[Ashley Butler]][[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Leila Sharpe]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Murphey]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Henry]] [[File:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]<br>[[Jose (TLAD)|Jose]]<br>[[Moose]] [[File:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]<br>[[Wyatt]]<br>[[Dirty Sue]] [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br>[[Al Carter]]
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*Wow, the feeling was stronger than I had anticipated. Always risky touching on a personal space like religion in a forum such as this. As you may have read, I do have a problem with the symbolism of any one religious denomination being accepted as a "default" for something as universal as death. Much like Wildbrick, I don't think this needs to be a high priority. I do like the '''idea of using a symbol''' in list fields (not to be used by itself in the individual's ''status'' field as has already been pointed out), but I don't think it should be a cross. That could just as easily be interpreted as indicating a character's faith, rather than their live or dead status. Do a [https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=death+symbol&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZlBJVYjUBKS1mwXblIDQAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=758 Google Image search for Death Symbol], the first results are all skull and crossbones style images. So is <big><big>&#9760;</big></big> any better? [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Good point, I feel like this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, so yeah, the crucifix suits more the deceased, as most graves are given a crucifix on top of them. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 00:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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***I think you've missed  most of the point.  "most graves are given a crucifix". No, many '''Christian''' headstones use a cross which symbolises the religious denomination of the deceased party. Less than 1/3rd of the worlds population is Christian. It is the most geographically widespread (we won't go into the reasons for that) but Christians are still far-outnumbered by non-Christians. Just beacause the majority of the active editors on this particular wiki are from Western nations that are predominantly Christian, doesn't mean we have to impose the Christian view of the world on everyone else. 60% of the world population does NOT identify a Crucifix as being a recognisable symbol of death, they recognise it through western media forcing it down their throats that it is a Christian symbol (and some of them are intolerant enough to be offended by it, but that is irrelevant to this argument). I'm not saying we have to be strictly secular, but where we '''can''' avoid it, we should do so. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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****I don't think you got that right, what I meant is that '''most of the graves''' uses a crucifix, and that this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, last but not least, what else would mean death on the infobox? I have seen many symbols and none of them fit better in this case than a crucifix, but sure, I understand that some users will understand that as a religious image, overall, I actually agree with you. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 01:12, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*Should characters in "determinant" be represented as ''italics'' in the infobox sections, or represented as another symbol? [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 08:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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**Maybe an interrogation symbol or something like that. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 14:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*After looking at this hot debate going on about what symbol to use, I'll just stay out of it. But a symbol in general is good. [[User:Carl Johnson Jr.|Carl Johnson Jr.]] ([[User talk:Carl Johnson Jr.|talk]]) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
   
   
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*Maybe instead of using using crucifixes and all that, how about something GTA-themed for GTA Wiki? Epsilon logo/HUD icon, GTA V rampage logo/HUD icon, 3D Era rampage, etc. There is a nice amount of things to choose from that we could use. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 15:10, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*Then, as well as the "Welcome" automated message, there should be an automated "Edit guide" too. Not sure every newbie'd read it anyways, but it's worth giving a try. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:38, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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**I like this idea. But how would that work? The rampage skull for deceased characters and this interrogation symbol ([[File:MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown.png|20px]]) for determinant characters? - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
*Actually, I thought of something even better that that flimsy automated message and the Edit Guide....... '''A Welcome/Greet New Users Template. '''I will create it. It will say the usual good faith of new users and ones new to Wikia, the Wikia Editing Guide link, Contents of GTA Wiki (i.e. Vehicles, Weapons, Characters etc. organized in links to take them into category pages about the such. If they need any help, I will provide the links to the Staff rank category page. How's that? Best Idea so far? [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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***I found this: [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px]]. It's the deathmatch marker from GTA Online. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
:*Good idea, T. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 10:17, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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****558 and Rain showed the best icons, now we don't need the crucifix anymore, who else agrees? [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 17:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
:*Nice one T, that would be even more better. - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:10, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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*****I agree too. Also image icons are good since you can make it show the text when you hover over them (unlike acronym which does the same but adds the underline) so that's a nice compromise.<br /><br />For determinant characters, I could make IV's/V's red/blue flashing blip (the one that appears on characters where you have to make a decision) as an icon. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 20:52, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
:*Sounds good. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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******Now that we have the icons, here's what I suggest on how to use them. We would make a template called "Status" and it would work as the following:<br /><code><nowiki>{{Status|D1}}</nowiki></code> produces [[File:MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown.png|20px|The fate of this character is determined by player choice|link=Category:Determinant Characters]]<br /><code><nowiki>{{Status|D2}}</nowiki></code> would produce [[File:Deathmatch marker GTA V.png|20px|This character is deceased|link=Category:Deceased characters]]<br />Just my idea. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 21:08, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
:*This sounds like a good idea.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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*******I gotta say, that's a genial idea, if the voting is closed as ''symbol'' then we should use it, it looks much better than the cross and the skull, the images may also display a caption saying "deceased" or "determinant" for users who have no idea of what it means. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 22:21, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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(reset indent) - Tested with The Lost MC infobox >>>
   
==The "Welcome New Users" Template Layout==
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I don't like the Interrogation mark, to me that indicates uncertainty whether the listing should be there, not determinant character, although the mouse-over tip helps. I think the "flashing decision" icon as proposed by WildBrick would be better. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 22:33, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
In continuation of [[User:Thomas0802|Tom's]] purposal above, I had concocted an idea on how to make new users of GTA Wiki or Wikia, in general. The '''Welcome New Users '''Template. This new template will replace the currently used (and bland) "Welcome" automated message and will make the user understand what is done around here or around in Wikia.
 
   
I am still writing the template's coding, but I am not going to reveil it because if I do and this purposal gets all "''No's''", it will just be a waste of time, vice versa, if "''Yes's''" are a majority of the "''No's''", then I will reveil it.
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**The interrogation mark could be used on characters whose status is currently ''unknown'', such as [[Donald Love]], by the way, some characters status is ''incarcerated'', ([[Hsin Jaoming]] and [[Gerald McReary]] for example) what symbol should we use on those kind of status? How about a badge symbol? Like this one ([[File:LCPD-GTA4-logo.png|20px]])? - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 03:37, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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*Maybe the symbol of the [[Bolingbroke Penitentiary]] or other known prison, the LCPD logo is more likely to say that the character is a cop. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 14:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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**Deteminant blip: [[file:DeterminantCharacterBlip-GTAV.gif|16px]] (if someone could remove the white outline, it'd be great. Photoshop is absolute shit when it comes to gifs, I'm not even sure why Adobe added that "feature"). Also V has an unused handcuff blip ([[file:HandcuffBlip-GTAV.png|20px]]) that could be used for arrested characters. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 15:28, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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***I know how to do a gif using photoshop, the problem is my PC, anyway, look at the infobox now. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face="Rage">[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 15:36, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
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****The flashing red and blue blip doesn't really show a character is determinant at all.I agree that 558's question mark blip should be used for unknown status characters and that the handcuff blip could be used for incarcerated characters, but the flashing red and blue blip doesn't speak for itself. It appears to me as if also the character is either a cop, or is incarcerated. Not to be difficult, but I'd suggest using a different icon for a determinant character. Maybe a cross between life and death (not the cross symbol)? [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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****Added the "incarcerated" symbol for [[Elizabeta Torres|Elizabeta]]. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 02:24, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
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*The skull icon should be used for deceased, handcuffs for incarcerated but as for determinant, that still needs to be determined. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*For those who are interested, I've made the template. It's called [[Template:Status]]. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 08:34, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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*Made [[File:GTADet.png]] quickly in GIMP for Determinant. Original image is taken from one of those stock image sites where everything is fair use, I just made it transparent. [[User:ToJ|ToJ]] ([[User talk:ToJ|talk]]) 08:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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**Looks like a pretty good symbol, I don't think that theres any type of symbol that users can look at it and immediatly think: "this character's fate is determinent", so this one should do the job. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
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{{Clr}}
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*Update, all three symbols are now able to be used in infoboxes, the skull for deceased, the handcuffs for incarcerated and the questioned grave for determinant. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 18:27, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
   
Here is the template's layout will be:
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==[[Lifeinvader]] Profiles==
*'''"Welcome to GTA Wiki!" '''
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'''''Closed as '''''Tabbed (9) Flat (0) [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
**'''Introduction about the wiki and what's on here'''
 
**
 
*'''"Contents" --What we have on the wiki; category (or other) links to them.'''
 
**'''GTA Games'''
 
**'''Characters'''
 
**'''Weapons'''
 
**'''Vehicles (With the Manual of Style/Vehicles description/link alongside it.)'''
 
*'''"Policies" --Brief introduction about the policies. If they want to see it all, there will be a link to it. Also, an Edit Guide (if we have one).'''
 
**'''~~Number of the common policies'''
 
**'''~~'''
 
**'''~~'''
 
*'''Contacting the Staff'''
 
**'''Patrollers'''
 
**'''Admins'''
 
**'''Bureaucrats'''
 
*'''"Outroduction" --good faith/luck to the new editors'''
 
   
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Update: As per the vote, I will continue development using the tabbed version and won't be trying too hard to get it looking perfect on mobile at the expense of visual or functional quality on a fully rendered browser. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think it is possible to replace the current automated message with this template in mediawiki.css, but we have to find out first. This will familiarize new users, who are new to editing, to understand how things work around here, where to contact staff members if vandal bombardment is going on, etc.
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I've been doing a bit of work this weekend building a [[Template:Infobox Lifeinvader|template]] to replicate the GTA V in-game Lifeinvader profiles. The intent is to include this template on any character that has a [[Lifeinvader]] page in-game. This will also automatically include them in the [[:Category:Lifeinvader|new category]] I have also added.
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[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Stalking_Page.png|thumb|500px|center|Sample of actual in-game Lifeinvader page]]
   
Also if this template is succesful, I will be applying it on my upcoming wiki and our afilliates.
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The template, as it stands at the moment, fairly closely replicates the look of the in-game page, with the Friends list page open displaying up to 20 friends with working links to each of their pages.
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{{clr}}
   
Staff Members are welcome to add, alter, or change the WNU layout in the '''Comments'''.
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{{Infobox Lifeinvader
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|name = Franklin Clinton
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|mainimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_large.png
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|occupation = Entrepeneur
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|relationship = Keeping my options open
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|photosimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png
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|friendsimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png
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|stalkingimage = Feud_logo2.png
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|famimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png
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|famcount = 5
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|famname = Denise Clinton
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|frnimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png
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|frncount = 17
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|frnname = Lamar Davis
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|stkimage = GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png
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|stkcount = 5
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|stkname = LS Customs
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|friend1 = Lamar Davis
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|friend1image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png
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|friend2 = Simeon Yeterian
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|friend2image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Simeon_Profile_large.png
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|friend3 = Tonya Wiggins
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|friend3image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png
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|friend4 = Denise Clinton
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|friend4image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png
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|friend5 = Harold 'Stretch' Joseph
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|friend5image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Stretch_Profile_large.png
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|friend6 = Tanisha Jackson
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|friend6image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tanisha_Profile_large.png
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|friend7 = Tavell Clinton
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|friend7image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tavell_Profile_large.png
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|friend8 = Dom Beasley
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|friend8image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Dom_Profile_large.png
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|friend9 = Beverly Felton
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|friend9image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Beverly_Profile_large.png
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|friend10 = Devin Weston
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|friend10image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Devin_Profile_large.png
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|friend11 = Demarcus Bradley
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|friend11image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Demarcus_Profile_large.png
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|friend12 = Andre Barnes
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|friend12image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Andre_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend13 = Nicolson Bell
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|friend13image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Nicolson_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend14 = Jamal Reynolds
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|friend14image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Jamal_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend15 = JB Bradshaw
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|friend15image = LifeInvader_GTAV_JB_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend16 = Darryl Knox
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|friend16image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Daryl_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend17 = Dana Ellis
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|friend17image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Dana_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend18 =
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|friend18image =
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|friend19 =
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|friend19image =
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|friend20 =
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|friend20image =
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|friendshiddencount = 0
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}}
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{{Clr}}
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I have also done a bit of work seeing if I can more closely replicate the ''functionality'' of the in-game page by using 4 tabbers for profile/photos/friends/stalking but there appears to be limited formatting options available to the editor when using the tabber function, so some of the aesthetics of the template would be lost in favour of the additional functionality. 
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{| class="infobox" align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 500px;"
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:Maroon;" |[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Template_Header.png|500px|center]]
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|-
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| rowspan="5" style="width:180px;background-color:white;" |<br />[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_large.png|150px|center]]
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| colspan="3" rowspan="2" style="background-color:white;" |
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<br />'''<span style="Color:Maroon"><big><big><big>Franklin Clinton</big></big></big></span>'''<br />
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Occupation: Entrepeneur</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Relationship Status: Keeping my options open</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: Feud_logo2.png|[[File:Feud_logo2.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="4" style="text-align:center;background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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<tabber>
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Back to My Profile=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="width:300px; text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Messages</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|}
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|-|Photos=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Photos</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|}
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|-|Friends=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Friends List</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"|[[Lamar Davis|<span style=Color:Maroon>Lamar Davis</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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|style="vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Simeon_Profile_large.png{{pipe}}center{{pipe}}50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Simeon Yeterian{{pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Simeon Yeterian</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tonya Wiggins{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tonya Wiggins</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"{{Pipe}} <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Denise Clinton{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Denise Clinton</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Stretch_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Harold 'Stretch' Joseph{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Harold 'Stretch' Joseph</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tanisha_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tanisha Jackson{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tanisha Jackson</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tavell_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tavell Clinton{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tavell Clinton</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|}
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|}
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|-|Stalking=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Stalking</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:Feud_logo2.png|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Feud Baseball Team|<span style=Color:Maroon>LS Feud</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|}
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|}
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</tabber>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" | <br />
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|}
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{{clr}}
   
[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:12, June 26, 2013 (UTC) 
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I'd like to know your opinions on which version would be more useful.
===Votes===
 
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 05:40, June 27, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:49, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes ''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
   
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'''Flat Version:'''
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*Closely replicates look of in-game site
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*Functional for friends list only, no stalking list visible
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'''Tabbed version:'''
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*Loses visual similarity for the tabs with background and text formatting lost
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*Fully-functional for both Friends and Stalking tabs, Photos tab is non-functional in-game so would have no content anyway, Profile (messages) tab content would not need to be replicated in the template (at this stage).
   
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The current (flat) version has been trialed on [[Franklin Clinton]]'s page.
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I am still undecided on whether to align the template on the right as an infobox or whether to align it in the center of the wiki page to more closely mimic the internet appearance or to align it on the left as a normal article table.
   
===Comments===
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Niko Bellic test:
*I think it needs a bit more planning, but it is a good idea. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:57, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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{| class="infobox" align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 500px;"
*'''Extra, Non-Related Idea:''' I think we could add flags near our name on the Staff page so if the user is Portuguese for example, he might contact Mickey.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:Maroon;" |[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Template_Header.png|500px|center]]
*I wrote the coding in exactly 25 minutes:
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|-
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| rowspan="5" style="width:180px;background-color:white;" |<br />[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Profile.png|150px|center]]
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| colspan="3" rowspan="2" style="background-color:white;" |
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<br />'''<span style="Color:Maroon"><big><big><big>Niko Bellic</big></big></big></span>'''<br />
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Driver at [[Express Car Service|<span style="Color:Maroon">Bellic Cab Services</span>]]</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Lives in [[Broker|<span style="Color:Maroon">Broker</span>]]</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:white;" |[[File:Garnet_St.png|left|75px]]
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| style="background-color:white;" |[[File:Dillion_street_.jpg|left|75px]]
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| style="background-color:white;" |[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|75px]]
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="4" style="text-align:center;background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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<tabber>
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"Profile"=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|-
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Profile.png|center|30px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Red> Niko </span><span>Posted a status update </span>
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Gray> xx minutes ago.</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:white;"| <span style=Color:Maroon>Happy Birthday Roman.</span>
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|
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <span style=Color:Red>+1 Fanboy. Comment. Share.</span>
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| [[Mallorie Bardas|<span style=Color:Red>Mallorie Bordas</span>]],[[Jacob Hughes|<span style=Color:Red>Jacob Hughes</span>]] and <span style=Color:Red>18 others</span> are obsessed with this.
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|-
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:Rockstar_New_England_logo.png|center|30px]]
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:white; border=gray"| <span style=Color:Black>Write a comment...</span>
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Profile.png|center|30px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Red> Niko </span><span>Posted a photo in Obsessions</span>
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Gray> 12 days ago.</span>
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:white;"| [[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Photo_posted.png|300px|center]]
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|-
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:white;"| I was hungry after an hour [[Jacob Hughes|<span style=Color:Red>Jacob Hughes</span>]]
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|}
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|}
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|-|Photos=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Photos</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|-
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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|}
   
[[Template:Welcome]]
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|-|Videos=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Videos</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|-
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
  +
|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
  +
|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
  +
|}
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|-|Obsessions=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Obsessing</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
  +
|-
  +
|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
  +
| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
  +
|-
  +
| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
  +
|-
  +
|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
  +
| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
  +
|-
  +
|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
  +
|-
  +
|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
  +
| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
  +
|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
  +
|-
  +
|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
  +
|}
  +
| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:Burgershot.svg|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Burger Shot|<span style=Color:Maroon>Burger Shot</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
  +
|}
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|}
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</tabber>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" | <br />
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|}
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{{clr}}
   
What do you think?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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Thanks for reading. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 11:18, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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===Votes===
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Please indicate your preference for '''Flat''' version or '''Tabbed''' version below:
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*'''Tabbed''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 11:59, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 12:06, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 12:10, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed '''- [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 12:37, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 13:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed ''' - {{userlinks|Mortsnarg}}
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="font-family:agency fb;">[[User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]] [[File:Detonator Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]] [[File:Crate Android.png|20px]]</span> 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed'''-[[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 10:28, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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Please add any comments or suggestions for improvements to either version:
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*The Tabbed version looks less confusing. However, both versions of the infobox looks very confusing in the mobile version. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 12:08, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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**Good point. I keep forgetting that both my Android and Windows mobiles are set to browse the full version, not the mobile version of wikia. As far as I can tell, the mobile version doesn't render tabbers at all, it just flattens them out, and both versions of the infobox use nested tables which don't ever render well in the mobile version. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:29, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***Checked using Wikia's preview tool. It definitely looks terrible on mobile. The table is extremely narrow and barely readable. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 12:31, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***Yes, I checked with my Android device (I think it is a better test than the Wikia previwer - although that works pretty well). The set widths of the left columns definitely mess with the mobile rendering, probably more so than the nested tables. I thought there would be side-scrolling issues but it just squeezed it vertically, even when you are viewing the mobile version in "landscape" mode. Yuck. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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****The mobile version of the wikia sucks anyway, I wouldn't bother with this if I was you. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*****That's something I agree with - but we can't do much if a lot of people use Wikia through their phone. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 07:25, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*****Noticed another thing - the infobox is readable in the GTA Fan App. Although a few words are not visible, it is far more better than the mobile version of this wikia. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 10:21, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Are you going to be adding this template to Niko Bellic's page? Just out of curiosity. I like the idea and in my opinion, the templates look really good on the pages! {{userlinks|Mortsnarg}}
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**We don't have access to his profile in-game, so that would be an incomplete template based on the blurry image we can see on Jimmy's PC. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 16:54, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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**But the people that Niko's friends with and the business's he follows are still partially visible and legible. We could just link it to the people he's friends with (on the main page) it would be incomplete, but there's still info on his page and I think it would be fair to at least consider it. Whatever, maybe I'm missing the point, just think over the idea. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 17:01, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***No, I hadn't intended to put Niko's profile on his page, since the player cannot see it on the in-game LI site nor get the full content of his friends/stalk lists. The mock-up on Jimmy's laptop is unique. I may replicate the 3rd version - the [http://www.lifeinvader.com/profile/jackhowitzer real world internet version] which doesn't match the in-game internet version as a 2nd template. Niko's one might warrant a one-off attempted replica on his page not using either template. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:47, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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****Test of Niko Bellic version added above (as best as I can make out some of the text from my screenshots of Jimmy's open laptop. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 05:10, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Even I'm not a big fan of things like this, the tabbed version looks nice and easy to handle, like the in-game version. Still can't give an accurate opinion about the mobile version, but all that I can see is that it looks messy in both forms due to their limitations. So yeah, the tabbed one. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="font-family:agency fb;">[[User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]] [[File:Detonator Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]] [[File:Crate Android.png|20px]]</span> 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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* The tabber makes it look cleaner and more organized. Closing the vote as tabber. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

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Probation Expiry: Camilo FloresEdit

Closed as successful by Leo68 (talk) 19:50, June 28, 2015 (UTC)

Leave votes below for the probation expiry of Camilo Flores (Admins and bureaucrats only. Patrollers and non-staff can still leave comments).

VotesEdit

  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:39, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Sam Talk 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Leo68 (talk) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Neutral - smurfy (coms) 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • A brilliant editor, corrections are almost faultless. He deserves his spot, as he his kind, friendly and non-argumentative. Nothing much else to say! Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
    • Monk, patrollers can't vote, so you'll have to remove your vote. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 17:44, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yeh, I just realized. I removed the vote, but I'll keep my comment. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 17:48, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Cam's handled the step up well. No real problems to report. Sam Talk 17:51, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Cam surprised me, I didn't expect him to be such an awesome patroller during his probation. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 17:53, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • It's too early but two days will not change my opinion, Camilo has improved on probation and is up to the job. Yes from me. Leo68 (talk) 18:42, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
  • Camilo definitely deserves the spot to me. He has improved tremendously on his probation. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:07, June 25, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Cam is always improving himself every day, so why not retaining as a patroller? He will definitely make good use of his tools. MC (MyComputer) 09:47, June 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • As far as general patrolling duties, he's doing fine. As a contributor, the language barrier is still a problem. I started keeping track of the poor grammar edits but gave up when the list became too long. The grammar is still "Google Translate" level and is the sort of thing a patroller should be fixing, not causing. smurfy (coms) 00:01, June 27, 2015 (UTC)
  • He needs to improve his grammar, but I'm sure he will work to overcome this issue. Except that, I agree with most of you and think he's proven he's ready to be a patroller. DocVinewood (talk) 23:06, June 27, 2015 (UTC)

Probation Expiry: Monkeypolice188Edit

Closed as Probation Successful by LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 16:41, June 14, 2015 (UTC)

Leave votes below for our latest probation expiry, for Monkeypolice188.

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Monk had a few issues when he joined, which were ironed out before his promotion, a reason why he is on probation. If you ask me they are an issue of the past now and he has gotten over them. He is a much better user and has been working well in his role as Patroller. A yes from me. Leo68 (talk) 21:22, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with Leo, he had some problems at first but he has gotten better and I feel that he deserves to keep the position. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 21:49, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Monk deserves the position, he knows and enforces the policies and is one of the most active editors here. DocVinewood (talk) 22:03, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Had a minor indiscretion with WildBrick and Rain last week (which he apologised to both users for) but in the grand scheme of things a relatively isolated incident which shouldn't overshadow the whole three months, as he's ironed out the early teething troubles. Probation worked for Andre and it's worked for Monk. Sam Talk 22:29, June 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Monk had some relapses here and there during his probation, but who doesn't get carried away sometimes? He apologized and learned from his mistakes, he will make a good patroller. - DLVIII Talk 01:37, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • A good chatter, editor and rollbacker, of course he deserves to be a patroller. Since votes are limited to admins and b'crats, I shall not vote. However, it will definitely be a yes from me. :) MC (MyComputer) 06:02, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Not a fan of his attitude at times, mine isn't any better either, but he usually does a great job (finding all top speeds, acceleration times, etc. is an example) so I wouldn't say no if I were allowed to vote. I believe he can improve a lot as a full patroller. The only problem I really have with him is that he, sometimes, is disputing facts but other than that I don't see much reasons for him not to become a patroller.
    Off topic: 558050, patrollers are not allowed to vote on users on probation so you'll have to remove your vote. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 10:33, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Patroller vote removed (thanks for pointing that out Wildbrick). smurfy (coms) 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Been giving this a bit of though all day. I'm wary of throwing stones from a particularly fragile glasshouse here, but have to point out that this has been far from a blemish-free period of probation and another case is ongoing right now with the Osiris. I'm not sure he is learning from his mistakes as much as has been suggested. However, with that said, I don't think the battles he's been involved in over the last few months should prevent the transition from probationary to patroller just because he's been on the wrong side of a few and has taken a while to back down. smurfy (coms) 10:46, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'd just like to say, thanks guys for being there for me and giving me the chance to show my real self. I may not of been the best of probational patrollers on record (probably the worst, come to think of it), but I really will try to improve my decisions (that's my real fault, I make the wrong choices here, and make everything seem bad), and if that means me having to get told off or avoid making choices all together, well so be it. I really can be a good patroller, and I'll do my best to prove it, after all I am one of the most active users on this wiki, so I really can get a lot done in a short space of time, whether that's article edits, minor correction, talk pages and user talk pages, I will do whatever I can to improve this wiki. Thank you guys! Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 11:14, June 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry to be late but you definitely deserve to keep your spot Monk. You've had trouble on this wiki when you first started but like 558 said, almost everybody did, including me. What matters most is that you improved from your warnings and kept doing what you are doing. Now, you are one of the most active patrollers here and use your tools very well. You have greatly improved and I am proud of you. Keep it up. A "Yes" from me. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:15, June 13, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • I've seen his contributions and his handling of his patroller spot and I'm impressed, but as all first time staff members (including myself), we have our hiccups every now and then and he seems to learn from his mistakes. Monkeypolice earns the right to be regarded as an official patroller here on GTA Wiki. -Tony42898

Notification - Infobox Beta redesign for mobile compatibilityEdit

See the project page. Anyone wanting to learn the new markup for infobox design is welcome to observe and possibly participate, the project is not limited to staff only. smurfy (coms) 13:16, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

Sliders on infoboxesEdit

I was talking to WildBrick about the Marshall infobox, as we can see, there's a slider which changes the main picture every second, so I asked him about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple generations, he disagreed because it's too simple to add sliders, instead it's better to keep two images separete, however, he agreed that vehicles with multiple liveries should have sliders, such as the many Burritos, the many Boxvilles and the Hotring Racers. It would make much more simple than a text on the description and the many gallery pictures, so I had to post this on the noticeboard, what do you think about adding sliders to vehicles with multiple liveries?

VotesEdit

  • Yes - EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 15:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • No Yes Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Leo68 (talk) 17:48, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - DLVIII Talk 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - MC (MyComputer) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Yes - JohnSignature 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • On Hold - pending compatibility/rendering issues. smurfy (coms) 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Approve
  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)
  • yes - Myth(Talk/Stalk) 11:52, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Wildbrick's right. Unless there's tonnes of different liveries (like the Marshall), I really don't think a slider is needed. I think it's best to either put the unique variants in the infobox (eg, Post Op Livery), or put the different regular liveries in a gallery "variant" section (eg, the Mule's different liveries). Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 16:21, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • But that's my point, if the vehicle has dozens of liveries, we add sliders, like I said, for the Burritos, Boxvilles and Hotring Racers. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 16:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
      • As I said, I don't think there's enough of those liveries to put in the infobox as a slider. Look, there's 25 different liveries for the Marshall, and only 3 (in two games) liveries for the Hotring Racer. I still think it would only be usefull for things that have more than 10 liveries. Putting sponsors or company liveries (found on trucks) in the infobox as a slider might work however, it depends how many there are to me. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 16:29, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
        • Just understood what Andre and Wild meant, I always get so confused as they right so much in such large pieces of text. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 19:46, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • To clear some things up; The slider is only for liveries. Vans or trucks that have different company on them. Vehicles and their generations are split as normal if it's a different model name and share the same in-game name. Boxvilles would stay the same with the exception of LSDWP and LSDS Boxvilles as they are the same model but different liveries.
    Template:Infobox Tester has the Burrito page with how the infobox would look like (ofc. changes will be made because even though the snowy one is a different model name, it appears only once ever which means it's better suited for Variants section - for same reason Humane Boxville is not included in the infobox). The slider still needs fixing though because it displays unused ones (as you can see on the page). V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:25, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • The slider for multiple liveries will keep the galleries cleaner but as for multiple generations, no, we have the second image for that. Leo68 (talk) 17:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • I think we could use the slider for multiple liveries and also for vehicles with different Universe designs (Perennial, Intruder, etc), although I'm probably in the minority here. DocVinewood (talk) 17:57, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't say you stand alone, if it's a car like the Perennial, the Manana or something that vastly changed between 3D and HD Universe I'd be inclined to agree with you. Leo68 (talk) 18:01, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes please, the Boxville page definetely need one of those. - DLVIII Talk 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • The page may very messy without this, due to the number of pictures in the gallery. The slider will also make the infobox more informative. MC (MyComputer) 03:56, May 10, 2015 (UTC)
  • This is an excellent idea especially when it comes to vehicles with a lot of variants or liveries. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 04:19, May 10, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • This needs to happen. I really hate to scroll all the way to the bottom from a single page, just to look at its variants. Its a massive chore. JohnSignature 22:28, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • As documented on the Marshall talk page, the slideshow does not currently render in MonoBook wiki layout. This might be something we can fix under the hood but until then, we should not be rolling this out to any other page. smurfy (coms) 23:05, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • I think sliders for liveries is a good idea. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 07:43, May 14, 2015 (UTC)

SockpuppetryEdit

Resolved = Obvious sockpuppet blocked. Closed by smurfy (coms) 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Ok, so, we had a user vandalize many staff member user pages, and vandalize articles a while back. It appears we have a sockpuppet: Domwoodygaming.

It is almost certainly them, given the name is exactly the same, bearing only the "gaming" attachment. This was made shortly before they started vandalizing other pages on their original account, suggesting they were planning on vandalizing pages and trying to get banned, and had another account ready for when they got banned.

Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:55, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Comments Edit

  • The "sockpupet" account created and edited his own user page, just before the original accout started to vandalize. All edits were made on one single day! However, just to be sure, it's best to keep an eye on the sockpuppet account first, as he had not made any edits since the original account had been blocked, as of yet, and this may need more evidence to proof that both accounts were sockpuppets. MC (MyComputer) 22:44, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Reports of this nature need to be made to Admin/Bureaucrat staff, not made on the community noticeboard. This is an obvious sockpuppet account and has been blocked. smurfy (coms) 01:11, May 27, 2015 (UTC)

Use of the "Deceased" symbolEdit

Symbol use in infoboxes approved, DECEASED- Skull, INCARCERATED- Handcuffs DETERMINANT- Question Grave. Vote closed by Leo68 (talk) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

Four users (myself, Sean, Marcus and RainingPain) have been discussing how to list characters as deceased in various sections (members, relatives etc.) of infoboxes. One case is character templates, where deceased characters have been identified with a crucifix (†) symbol. As Sean points out, they make the page look cleaner, but they can also impose religious connotations on others, which may not be appropriate on some pages. Since we all have varying opinions on how this should be identified, Sean suggesting setting up a community vote, so here we go:

In infobox sections (such as relatives, members etc), should deceased characters be identified in Written form, or through the use of a Symbol?

VotesEdit

  • Symbol - EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - DLVIII Talk 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol -TevanoRCMP (talk) 21:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Symbol (deathmatch marker)  - DocVinewood (talk) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written - V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written - SJWalker (talk) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written Symbol - Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - MC (MyComputer) 22:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Neutral - smurfy (coms) 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I think the crucifix means more of religion than death, but I think it should be added to a character's relative who is dead, like Packie McReary, in the relatives section of his infobox, there should be; Derrick McReary†, but in the status section, it's better if we write Deceased. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • The relatives etc. section was the section we were discussing Andre. If you look on the Lost MC page, the members section in the infobox uses the crucifix. I'll re-word the statement to make it clearer. SJWalker (talk) 14:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • If the crucifix is such a problem, I may come up with a skull icon. That one wouldn't have any religious connotation whatsoever. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • We are living in an era where everyone can look at a symbol, a opinion or a idea and immediately feel ofended by it. If anyone look at that crucifix and say that we are imposing religious believe on him, I would say to him shut up and grow a pair, the crucifix is a universal symbol of death, on the context of the page it has nothing to do with religion, get over with. If anyone see religious symbolist on the crucifix is because they want to. The last thing I want right now, is to see this site bend over this ridiculous politically correct bullshit that have been plaguing the media for the past years.
  • Besides, writing deceased on everything is ugly, and as Sean said, the crucifix makes it seem more clean. - DLVIII Talk 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Understood now, changed my vote. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • What if deceased was identified as the word deceased but written in the color red.along with the crucifix TevanoRCMP (talk)
    • Won't solve the issue. Just make the infobox look even worse than right now. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 15:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • The symbol works in the character templates and it will work in the infoboxes. Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Seeing how the odds of my suggestion wont look good I am voting as symbol. I would hate to see the cruucifix to go away TevanoRCMP (talk) 16:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Since I am a Christian, I can say that the symbol we use is based on the "Cross", which Jesus was hung on, along with what we wear on jewelry for "protection". However, adding the cross symbol to mean deceased is not a good idea, since most editors here are atheists and therefore do not believe in any religion. Still, I'd go for the symbol since it makes the pages look cleaner. As Rain said, a skull symbol is more understanding and less argumentive of a topic than the use of the cross symbol. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
    • So what if most editors are atheists? The cross is there to symbolize that the character is dead, not that he was christian or anything like that. If most editors here are atheists, thats their problem. Hell, DocVinewood is atheist and he doesn't care about this. The way that we edit the wikia shouldn't be a reflex of the staff religious beliefs.- DLVIII Talk 17:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • Well, I believe that the cross isn't a good symbol to use. As WildBrick said, it can offend some users. Plus a Cross isn't used in reality to define a dead character at all. Also, you misread what I was saying. I didn't say that the Cross meant characters were Christians, but that the Cross isn't a good symbol to use for everyone. We have religious and non-religious editors here. A better symbol to use is a skull, which makes more sense and is a less argumentative topic. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:47, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
        • This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality I was arguing against in my first comment, this whole "some people might get offended by it!", fuck this people! No seryously, fuck then. If these people can't see pass their religious beliefs, then they might as well stay away from the internet as a whole. Changing the way we operate things just because some small amound of people are too simple minded to accept that others can have different opinions of the world as they is bullshit, plain and simple. And I say this as a catholic myself. And the cross can have tons of different meanings depending of with person you ask for, the most common meaning is the christian one: death and ressurection, DEATH and ressurection.- DLVIII Talk 18:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with 558. The crucifix is an universal symbol and everybody knows what it means, there is no need to change it. I'm an atheist and I don't have any problem with it, nor I'm offended in the slightest. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. DocVinewood (talk) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • True as i don't see how the crucifix could offend anyone and well said Doc if it ain't broke don't fix it. ~~~~
  • Probably gonna be alone on this one but, yeah, written.

    First, the crucifix is mostly used as a symbol of christianity. Many people have different opinions of it whether it's good or bad. Not everyone might understand this though which can cause confusions. Remember, we live in a world filled with different opinions and religions which means some people will get offended by it and some won't. Some mightn't even know what that logo/symbol means (there are people like that) which will cause confusion and distrubance.

    Second. Cleaner yeah, effortful nah. The reason why I'm against this is because there isn't a point to these. "(deceased)" does the job just fine. It does not make the infobox ugly and it does give some bit of information. Unless you're using a 800x600 CRT (probably there are no issues even with that), there is absolutely no problems with it. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? Also how hard is it to type out "<small>(deceased)</small>"? It's no different than looking for and copy-pasting logos. It actually shows some effort put into the page instead of "here, have a random logo - I hope you understand 'cause you gotta find out things by yourself". If we're gonna use a logo to "explain" things, we might as well change all templates into pictures and put everything into abbreviations example being: "TA is a 2-door sc feat. in GTAV & GTAO." (imaginary cookies for whoever actually knows what page's description I shortened like that) I mean it makes the intro for the page cleaner and does give somewhat understandable information. It also doesn't need as much effort as writing the whole thing out so why not?

    Third, as said, the "(deceased)" does the job just fine. Are we really gonna waste so much of our times to swap everything with a logo? Nobody ever complained about the use of "(deceased)" then someone (don't remember who, I just remember seeing it on wiki activity) pointed out "it makes it cleaner" and suddenly everyone started losing their mind. Hundreds of pictures are uncategorized, hunderds of pages are stubs or are broken due to changes with whatever, hundreds of useless redirects are on the wiki, hundreds of old templates incompatible with the new design are not fixed... yet noone cares. Nodoby mentiones a thing about these and then suddenly we get a full-blown discussion about whether actual text should be replaced with some logo. Has logic taken a 180 degree turn or something? Even if this idea comes to pass, do we need to make such a silly issue our top priority?... especially when there actual issues around the wiki? V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Disagree, and i'll use your words: The crucifix does a fine job either, you can see that it works well on other wikis. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • "Disagree" Explain why?
        "you can see that it works well on other wikis" Examples on wikis that noone (who supports the symbol) from GTA Wiki edited on? V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
        • Look at this infobox here. For me it looks good. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
          • Added by an IP address and you are also editing on this wiki. Fair enough though.
            Still, "Sam (brother) † " doesn't look that clean to me. Words in bracket and then a symbol, it makes the little character description inconsistent. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:31, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • I think the cross looks nice, look at this page for example, can you imagine how that infobox would look if they put deceased after every single character? It would look polluted as hell, the cross occupies less space and does the job just fine. - DLVIII Talk 17:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • That's a lot of family members. Anyway, that list and descriptions after it wouldn't look as polluted if bullet points wouldn't be used and the description text would have "<small>" tags.

        Valid link and point though, it seems like the symbols were used on that page all the way back in 2010. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • I've thought about it and decided to stick with it in written form. As an athiest I have no opinion on the meaning of the crucifix as it does not offend me in any way, I just think that writing "Deceased" is much clearer and in my opinion makes little/no difference to the layout of the infobox. SJWalker (talk) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Not everyone can understand symbols, that's all I have to say. I agree with Wild and Sam. Just saw Rain's skull idea. Changed my vote, symbols are always identifiable when it comes to death :P. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)18:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • It does seem neater when using the symbol, as the written one may occupy some space in the infobox. MC (MyComputer) 22:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)


  • Wow, the feeling was stronger than I had anticipated. Always risky touching on a personal space like religion in a forum such as this. As you may have read, I do have a problem with the symbolism of any one religious denomination being accepted as a "default" for something as universal as death. Much like Wildbrick, I don't think this needs to be a high priority. I do like the idea of using a symbol in list fields (not to be used by itself in the individual's status field as has already been pointed out), but I don't think it should be a cross. That could just as easily be interpreted as indicating a character's faith, rather than their live or dead status. Do a Google Image search for Death Symbol, the first results are all skull and crossbones style images. So is any better? smurfy (coms) 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Good point, I feel like this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, so yeah, the crucifix suits more the deceased, as most graves are given a crucifix on top of them. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 00:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • I think you've missed  most of the point.  "most graves are given a crucifix". No, many Christian headstones use a cross which symbolises the religious denomination of the deceased party. Less than 1/3rd of the worlds population is Christian. It is the most geographically widespread (we won't go into the reasons for that) but Christians are still far-outnumbered by non-Christians. Just beacause the majority of the active editors on this particular wiki are from Western nations that are predominantly Christian, doesn't mean we have to impose the Christian view of the world on everyone else. 60% of the world population does NOT identify a Crucifix as being a recognisable symbol of death, they recognise it through western media forcing it down their throats that it is a Christian symbol (and some of them are intolerant enough to be offended by it, but that is irrelevant to this argument). I'm not saying we have to be strictly secular, but where we can avoid it, we should do so. smurfy (coms) 01:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
        • I don't think you got that right, what I meant is that most of the graves uses a crucifix, and that this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, last but not least, what else would mean death on the infobox? I have seen many symbols and none of them fit better in this case than a crucifix, but sure, I understand that some users will understand that as a religious image, overall, I actually agree with you. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 01:12, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • Should characters in "determinant" be represented as italics in the infobox sections, or represented as another symbol? MC (MyComputer) 08:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • Maybe an interrogation symbol or something like that. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 14:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • After looking at this hot debate going on about what symbol to use, I'll just stay out of it. But a symbol in general is good. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 14:24, May 9, 2015 (UTC)


  • Maybe instead of using using crucifixes and all that, how about something GTA-themed for GTA Wiki? Epsilon logo/HUD icon, GTA V rampage logo/HUD icon, 3D Era rampage, etc. There is a nice amount of things to choose from that we could use. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 15:10, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • I like this idea. But how would that work? The rampage skull for deceased characters and this interrogation symbol (MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown) for determinant characters? - DLVIII Talk 17:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • I found this: Deathmatch marker GTA V. It's the deathmatch marker from GTA Online. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 17:22, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
        • 558 and Rain showed the best icons, now we don't need the crucifix anymore, who else agrees? EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 17:57, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
          • I agree too. Also image icons are good since you can make it show the text when you hover over them (unlike acronym which does the same but adds the underline) so that's a nice compromise.

            For determinant characters, I could make IV's/V's red/blue flashing blip (the one that appears on characters where you have to make a decision) as an icon. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 20:52, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
            • Now that we have the icons, here's what I suggest on how to use them. We would make a template called "Status" and it would work as the following:
              {{Status|D1}} produces MapBlip-GTAIV-Unknown
              {{Status|D2}} would produce Deathmatch marker GTA V
              Just my idea. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 21:08, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
              • I gotta say, that's a genial idea, if the voting is closed as symbol then we should use it, it looks much better than the cross and the skull, the images may also display a caption saying "deceased" or "determinant" for users who have no idea of what it means. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 22:21, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

(reset indent) - Tested with The Lost MC infobox >>>

I don't like the Interrogation mark, to me that indicates uncertainty whether the listing should be there, not determinant character, although the mouse-over tip helps. I think the "flashing decision" icon as proposed by WildBrick would be better. smurfy (coms) 22:33, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

    • The interrogation mark could be used on characters whose status is currently unknown, such as Donald Love, by the way, some characters status is incarcerated, (Hsin Jaoming and Gerald McReary for example) what symbol should we use on those kind of status? How about a badge symbol? Like this one (LCPD-GTA4-logo)? - DLVIII Talk 03:37, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
  • Maybe the symbol of the Bolingbroke Penitentiary or other known prison, the LCPD logo is more likely to say that the character is a cop. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 14:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
    • Deteminant blip: DeterminantCharacterBlip-GTAV (if someone could remove the white outline, it'd be great. Photoshop is absolute shit when it comes to gifs, I'm not even sure why Adobe added that "feature"). Also V has an unused handcuff blip (HandcuffBlip-GTAV) that could be used for arrested characters. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 15:28, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
      • I know how to do a gif using photoshop, the problem is my PC, anyway, look at the infobox now. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 15:36, May 7, 2015 (UTC)
        • The flashing red and blue blip doesn't really show a character is determinant at all.I agree that 558's question mark blip should be used for unknown status characters and that the handcuff blip could be used for incarcerated characters, but the flashing red and blue blip doesn't speak for itself. It appears to me as if also the character is either a cop, or is incarcerated. Not to be difficult, but I'd suggest using a different icon for a determinant character. Maybe a cross between life and death (not the cross symbol)? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:34, May 7, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
        • Added the "incarcerated" symbol for Elizabeta. MC (MyComputer) 02:24, May 8, 2015 (UTC)
  • The skull icon should be used for deceased, handcuffs for incarcerated but as for determinant, that still needs to be determined. Leo68 (talk) 07:04, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • For those who are interested, I've made the template. It's called Template:Status. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 08:34, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Made GTADet quickly in GIMP for Determinant. Original image is taken from one of those stock image sites where everything is fair use, I just made it transparent. ToJ (talk) 08:49, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
    • Looks like a pretty good symbol, I don't think that theres any type of symbol that users can look at it and immediatly think: "this character's fate is determinent", so this one should do the job. - DLVIII Talk 18:09, May 9, 2015 (UTC)
  • Update, all three symbols are now able to be used in infoboxes, the skull for deceased, the handcuffs for incarcerated and the questioned grave for determinant. Leo68 (talk) 18:27, May 9, 2015 (UTC)

Lifeinvader ProfilesEdit

Closed as Tabbed (9) Flat (0) Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Update: As per the vote, I will continue development using the tabbed version and won't be trying too hard to get it looking perfect on mobile at the expense of visual or functional quality on a fully rendered browser. smurfy (coms) 23:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

I've been doing a bit of work this weekend building a template to replicate the GTA V in-game Lifeinvader profiles. The intent is to include this template on any character that has a Lifeinvader page in-game. This will also automatically include them in the new category I have also added.

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Stalking Page

Sample of actual in-game Lifeinvader page

The template, as it stands at the moment, fairly closely replicates the look of the in-game page, with the Friends list page open displaying up to 20 friends with working links to each of their pages.

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile large


Franklin Clinton

Occupation: Entrepeneur
Relationship Status: Keeping my options open
LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile photos
LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Feud logo2
Back to My Profile Photos Friends Stalking
Friends List
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis

LifeInvader GTAV Simeon Profile large
Simeon Yeterian

LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Tonya Wiggins

LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Stretch Profile large
Harold 'Stretch' Joseph

LifeInvader GTAV Tanisha Profile large
Tanisha Jackson

LifeInvader GTAV Tavell Profile large
Tavell Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Dom Profile large
Dom Beasley

LifeInvader GTAV Beverly Profile large
Beverly Felton

LifeInvader GTAV Devin Profile large
Devin Weston

LifeInvader GTAV Demarcus Profile large
Demarcus Bradley

LifeInvader GTAV Andre Profile tiny
Andre Barnes

LifeInvader GTAV Nicolson Profile tiny
Nicolson Bell

LifeInvader GTAV Jamal Profile tiny
Jamal Reynolds

LifeInvader GTAV JB Profile tiny
JB Bradshaw

LifeInvader GTAV Daryl Profile tiny
Darryl Knox

LifeInvader GTAV Dana Profile tiny
Dana Ellis


LifeInvader GTAV Template private
0 friends with private profiles.

I have also done a bit of work seeing if I can more closely replicate the functionality of the in-game page by using 4 tabbers for profile/photos/friends/stalking but there appears to be limited formatting options available to the editor when using the tabber function, so some of the aesthetics of the template would be lost in favour of the additional functionality. 

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile large


Franklin Clinton

Occupation: Entrepeneur
Relationship Status: Keeping my options open
LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile photos
LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Feud logo2

Messages
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs

Photos
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs

Friends List
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis

LifeInvader GTAV Simeon Profile large
Simeon Yeterian

LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Tonya Wiggins

LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Stretch Profile large
Harold 'Stretch' Joseph

LifeInvader GTAV Tanisha Profile large
Tanisha Jackson

LifeInvader GTAV Tavell Profile large
Tavell Clinton

Stalking
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
Feud logo2
LS Feud


I'd like to know your opinions on which version would be more useful.

Flat Version:

  • Closely replicates look of in-game site
  • Functional for friends list only, no stalking list visible

Tabbed version:

  • Loses visual similarity for the tabs with background and text formatting lost
  • Fully-functional for both Friends and Stalking tabs, Photos tab is non-functional in-game so would have no content anyway, Profile (messages) tab content would not need to be replicated in the template (at this stage).

The current (flat) version has been trialed on Franklin Clinton's page. I am still undecided on whether to align the template on the right as an infobox or whether to align it in the center of the wiki page to more closely mimic the internet appearance or to align it on the left as a normal article table.

Niko Bellic test:

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile


Niko Bellic

Driver at Bellic Cab Services
Lives in Broker
Garnet St
Dillion street
Burgershot


On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot
LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile
Niko Posted a status update xx minutes ago.
Happy Birthday Roman.
+1 Fanboy. Comment. Share.
Mallorie Bordas,Jacob Hughes and 18 others are obsessed with this.
Rockstar New England logo
Write a comment...

LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile
Niko Posted a photo in Obsessions 12 days ago.
LifeInvader GTAV Niko Photo posted
I was hungry after an hour Jacob Hughes

Photos
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot

Videos
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot

Obsessing
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot
Burgershot
Burger Shot


Thanks for reading. smurfy (coms) 11:18, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

Please indicate your preference for Flat version or Tabbed version below:

CommentsEdit

Please add any comments or suggestions for improvements to either version:

  • The Tabbed version looks less confusing. However, both versions of the infobox looks very confusing in the mobile version. MC (MyComputer) 12:08, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
    • Good point. I keep forgetting that both my Android and Windows mobiles are set to browse the full version, not the mobile version of wikia. As far as I can tell, the mobile version doesn't render tabbers at all, it just flattens them out, and both versions of the infobox use nested tables which don't ever render well in the mobile version. smurfy (coms) 12:29, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Checked using Wikia's preview tool. It definitely looks terrible on mobile. The table is extremely narrow and barely readable. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 12:31, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yes, I checked with my Android device (I think it is a better test than the Wikia previwer - although that works pretty well). The set widths of the left columns definitely mess with the mobile rendering, probably more so than the nested tables. I thought there would be side-scrolling issues but it just squeezed it vertically, even when you are viewing the mobile version in "landscape" mode. Yuck. smurfy (coms) 12:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
        • The mobile version of the wikia sucks anyway, I wouldn't bother with this if I was you. - DLVIII Talk 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
          • That's something I agree with - but we can't do much if a lot of people use Wikia through their phone. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 07:25, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
          • Noticed another thing - the infobox is readable in the GTA Fan App. Although a few words are not visible, it is far more better than the mobile version of this wikia. MC (MyComputer) 10:21, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Are you going to be adding this template to Niko Bellic's page? Just out of curiosity. I like the idea and in my opinion, the templates look really good on the pages! Mortsnarg (talk)
    • We don't have access to his profile in-game, so that would be an incomplete template based on the blurry image we can see on Jimmy's PC. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 16:54, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
    • But the people that Niko's friends with and the business's he follows are still partially visible and legible. We could just link it to the people he's friends with (on the main page) it would be incomplete, but there's still info on his page and I think it would be fair to at least consider it. Whatever, maybe I'm missing the point, just think over the idea. Mortsnarg (talk) 17:01, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • No, I hadn't intended to put Niko's profile on his page, since the player cannot see it on the in-game LI site nor get the full content of his friends/stalk lists. The mock-up on Jimmy's laptop is unique. I may replicate the 3rd version - the real world internet version which doesn't match the in-game internet version as a 2nd template. Niko's one might warrant a one-off attempted replica on his page not using either template. smurfy (coms) 01:47, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
        • Test of Niko Bellic version added above (as best as I can make out some of the text from my screenshots of Jimmy's open laptop. smurfy (coms) 05:10, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Even I'm not a big fan of things like this, the tabbed version looks nice and easy to handle, like the in-game version. Still can't give an accurate opinion about the mobile version, but all that I can see is that it looks messy in both forms due to their limitations. So yeah, the tabbed one. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Dispatch Detonator Android Data Files Crate Android 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  •  The tabber makes it look cleaner and more organized. Closing the vote as tabber. Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

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