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For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
We currently have a lot of staff so there will be no more Patroller requests for a while. Current Patrollers may request to be promoted to Admin status by voting on the Requests for Promotion Page.
 
   
 
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'''Please input your new requests above the old ones. That way, we can easily spot it rather than looking for it.'''
 
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==[[Template:Welcome]]==
 
Guys, we need to get this template up and running. I concieved and created this back in July and ran it through the noticeboard. I just updated it (as I type this here). Like I said before, this welcome template will be more helpful for new users on GTA Wiki and/or Wikia. They will know what to do once they read the policies included in the template and who to contact when an act of malice is happening. I don't think we need a "Vote" section because it has been given all "Yes" in the last one, but I'm going to put one up for the hell of it :P. --'''[[User:Tony_1998|Tony1998]]''' '''<small>([[User talk:Tony_1998|Talker]]</small>''' * <small>[[User blog:Tony_1998|Blogger]] * </small> '''<small>[[Special:Contributions/Tony_1998|Stalker]])</small>'''-- 04:42, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
===Votes (optional)===
 
*Yes - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 09:49, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 16:55, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:21, December 30, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
*'''Yes''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 13:47, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
 
===Comments===
 
*It looks amazing! Good job. :) <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 09:49, December 27, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I love it! - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 16:55, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Looks great!
 
*Yep, it looks awesome. It would be cool if we could include the [[GTA Wiki:Policy|policy page]] in the template too. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 13:47, January 2, 2014 (UTC)
 
**I have added the policy page on it. --'''[[User:Tony_1998|Tony1998]]''' '''<small>([[User talk:Tony_1998|Talker]]'''</small> * <small>[[User blog:Tony_1998|Blogger]] * </small> '''<small>[[Special:Contributions/Tony_1998|Stalker]])</small>'''-- 08:27, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
 
   
==New image policy template==
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==Use of the "Deceased" symbol==
Hi guys. I'm writing this idea here instead on a blog post to get more attention.
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Four users ([[User:SJWalker|myself]], Sean, Marcus and RainingPain) have been discussing how to list characters as deceased in various sections (members, relatives etc.) of infoboxes. One case is character templates, where deceased characters have been identified with a crucifix (†) symbol. As Sean points out, they make the page look cleaner, but they can also impose religious connotations on others, which may not be appropriate on some pages. Since we all have varying opinions on how this should be identified, Sean suggesting setting up a community vote, so here we go:
   
Everyday, the image policy is violated, mostly by new users. Me and other staff members always leave a message on their talk pages to follow the image policy. We post daily these messages. I'm not being lazy, but to post these warning/help messages faster and easier, I created a template for it. See <nowiki>Template:Image policy</nowiki>. Writing <nowiki>{{Image policy}}</nowiki> will formulate this text: ''When uploading images, please follow our [[GTA Wiki:Image Policy|image policy]] both in naming and licensing. Otherwise the images will be deleted.'' '''Important note: Always write your signature after the template.'''
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In infobox sections (such as relatives, members etc), should deceased characters be identified in '''Written''' form, or through the use of a '''Symbol'''?
 
If you want to change some parts of the text, debate it in the comments section below. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 14:26, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 14:26, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol '''- [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 19:47, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:AK-28|'''AK-28''']] ([[User talk:AK-28|Talk]] ★ [[Special:Contributions/AK-28|Edits]]) 11:38, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 16:57, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*Symbol -[[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 21:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*'''Symbol ''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Written''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Written''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''<s>Written</s>''' '''Symbol - '''{{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 20:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Symbol''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 22:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*This will be a lot easier for us. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 19:47, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*I think the crucifix means more of religion than death, but I think it should be added to a character's relative who is dead, like [[Packie McReary]], in the ''relatives'' section of his infobox, there should be; [[Derrick McReary]]†, but in the status section, it's better if we write ''Deceased''. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*I changed "can" to "will". [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 12:43, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
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**The relatives etc. section was the section we were discussing Andre. If you look on the Lost MC page, the members section in the infobox uses the crucifix. I'll re-word the statement to make it clearer. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 14:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*If the crucifix is such a problem, I may come up with a skull icon. That one wouldn't have any religious connotation whatsoever. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Good idea Rain. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*We are living in an era where everyone can look at a symbol, a opinion or a idea and immediately feel ofended by it. If anyone look at that crucifix and say that we are imposing religious believe on him, I would say to him shut up and grow a pair, the crucifix is a universal symbol of death, on the context of the page it has nothing to do with religion, get over with. If anyone see religious symbolist on the crucifix is because they want to. The last thing I want right now, is to see this site bend over this ridiculous politically correct bullshit that have been plaguing the media for the past years.
   
==News Team Staff==
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*Besides, writing ''deceased'' on everything is ugly, and as Sean said, the crucifix makes it seem more clean. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
<font color=green>News Team Found</font> - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 19:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
Now that we have agreed on there being a wiki news team, we need to see who wants to be in the staff. I'm going to be one of the members and we will need two more people to do it. I will do Mondays, someone else will do one on Thursdays and another user will do one on Sundays. If you want to do it, then vote "Yes" in the votes section and if you don't then put "No" into the votes section. Once this is done, members of staff will vote for who they want to be in it. Staff members who are nominated cannot vote for themselves. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 19:04, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
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**Understood now, changed my vote. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
===Votes===
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*What if deceased was identified as the word deceased but written in the color red.along with the crucifix {{userlinks|TevanoRCMP}}
*Yes [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 19:05, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
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**Won't solve the issue. Just make the infobox look even worse than right now. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 15:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes (read my comment)''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:08, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*The symbol works in the character templates and it will work in the infoboxes. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 14:29, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*Seeing how the odds of my suggestion wont look good I am voting as symbol. I would hate to see the cruucifix to go away [[User:TevanoRCMP|TevanoRCMP]] ([[User talk:TevanoRCMP|talk]]) 16:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*Since I am a Christian, I can say that the symbol we use is based on the "Cross", which Jesus was hung on, along with what we wear on jewelry for "protection". However, adding the cross symbol to mean deceased is not a good idea, since most editors here are atheists and therefore do not believe in any religion. Still, I'd go for the symbol since it makes the pages look cleaner. As Rain said, a skull symbol is more understanding and less argumentive of a topic than the use of the cross symbol. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*I've shown my interest for this idea, but for family-related reasons, I won't be able to be here, in the schedule we had agreed on. However, if you need any help, I might do something, although I'm not sure about the time I get home. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:08, November 9, 2013 (UTC)
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**So what if most editors are atheists? The cross is there to symbolize that the character is dead, not that he was christian or anything like that. If most editors here are atheists, thats their problem. Hell, DocVinewood is atheist and he doesn't care about this. The way that we edit the wikia shouldn't be a reflex of the staff religious beliefs.- [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*Of course. I'm thinking of posting news posts like Tips/Tricks in GTA games, trivias, polls, it would be awesome. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 14:29, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
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***Well, I believe that the cross isn't a good symbol to use. As WildBrick said, it can offend some users. Plus a Cross isn't used in reality to define a dead character at all. Also, you misread what I was saying. I didn't say that the Cross meant characters were Christians, but that the Cross isn't a good symbol to use for everyone. We have religious and non-religious editors here. A better symbol to use is a skull, which makes more sense and is a less argumentative topic. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:47, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
*Ok, we have our new team!  [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 19:46, November 11, 2013 (UTC)
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****This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality I was arguing against in my first comment, this whole "some people might get offended by it!", fuck this people! No seryously, fuck then. If these people can't see pass their religious beliefs, then they might as well stay away from the internet as a whole. Changing the way we operate things just because some small amound of people are too simple minded to accept that others can have different opinions of the world as they is bullshit, plain and simple. And I say this as a catholic myself. And the cross can have tons of different meanings depending of with person you ask for, the most common meaning is the christian one: death and ressurection, DEATH and ressurection.- [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 18:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*I agree with 558. The crucifix is an universal symbol and everybody knows what it means, there is no need to change it. I'm an atheist and I don't have any problem with it, nor I'm offended in the slightest. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*<nowiki>True as i don't see how the crucifix could offend anyone and well said Doc if it ain't broke don't fix it. ~~~~</nowiki>
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*Probably gonna be alone on this one but, yeah, written.<br /><br />First, the crucifix is mostly used as a symbol of christianity. Many people have different opinions of it whether it's good or bad. Not everyone might understand this though which can cause confusions. Remember, we live in a world filled with different opinions and religions which means some people will get offended by it and some won't. Some mightn't even know what that logo/symbol means (there are people like that) which will cause confusion and distrubance.<br /><br />Second. Cleaner yeah, effortful nah. The reason why I'm against this is because there isn't a point to these. "<small>(deceased)</small>" does the job just fine. It does not make the infobox ugly and it does give some bit of information. Unless you're using a 800x600 CRT (probably there are no issues even with that), there is absolutely no problems with it. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? Also how hard is it to type out "<nowiki><small>(deceased)</small></nowiki>"? It's no different than looking for and copy-pasting logos. It actually shows some effort put into the page instead of "here, have a random logo - I hope you understand 'cause you gotta find out things by yourself". If we're gonna use a logo to "explain" things, we might as well change all templates into pictures and put everything into abbreviations example being: "TA is a 2-door sc feat. in GTAV & GTAO." <small><small><small><small>(imaginary cookies for whoever actually knows what page's description I shortened like that)</small></small></small></small> I mean it makes the intro for the page cleaner and does give somewhat understandable information. It also doesn't need as much effort as writing the whole thing out so why not?<br /><br />Third, as said, the "<small>(deceased)</small>" does the job just fine. Are we really gonna waste so much of our times to swap everything with a logo? Nobody ever complained about the use of "<small>(deceased)</small>" then someone (don't remember who, I just remember seeing it on wiki activity) pointed out "it makes it cleaner" and suddenly ''everyone'' started losing their mind. Hundreds of pictures are uncategorized, hunderds of pages are stubs or are broken due to changes with whatever, hundreds of useless redirects are on the wiki, hundreds of old templates incompatible with the new design are not fixed... yet noone cares. Nodoby mentiones a thing about these and then suddenly we get a full-blown discussion about whether actual text should be replaced with some logo. Has logic taken a 180 degree turn or something? Even if this idea comes to pass, do we ''need'' to make such a silly issue our top priority?... especially when there actual issues around the wiki? [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Disagree, and i'll use your words: The crucifix does a fine job either, you can see that it works well on other wikis. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***"''Disagree''" Explain why?<br />"''you can see that it works well on other wikis''" Examples on wikis that noone (who supports the symbol) from GTA Wiki edited on? [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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****[[w:c:thelastofus:Henry|Look at this infobox here.]] For me it looks good. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*****[http://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Henry?diff=prev&oldid=45378 Added by an IP address] and you are also editing on this wiki. Fair enough though.<br />Still, "Sam (brother) † " doesn't look that clean to me. Words in bracket and then a symbol, it makes the little character description inconsistent. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:31, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**I think the cross looks nice, look at this [[w:c:godofwar:Kratos|page]] for example, can you imagine how that infobox would look if they put ''deceased'' after every single character? It would look polluted as hell, the cross occupies less space and does the job just fine. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 17:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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***That's a lot of family members. Anyway, that list and descriptions after it wouldn't look as polluted if bullet points wouldn't be used and the description text would have "<nowiki><small></nowiki>" tags.<br /><br />Valid link and point though, it seems like the symbols were used on that page all the way back in 2010. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 17:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*I've thought about it and decided to stick with it in written form. As an athiest I have no opinion on the meaning of the crucifix as it does not offend me in any way, I just think that writing <small>"Deceased"</small> is much clearer and in my opinion makes little/no difference to the layout of the infobox. [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*<s>Not everyone can understand symbols, that's all I have to say. I agree with Wild and Sam.</s> Just saw Rain's skull idea. Changed my vote, symbols are always identifiable when it comes to death :P. {{Monkeypolice188/Sig}} 20:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)18:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*It does seem neater when using the symbol, as the written one may occupy some space in the infobox. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#800080">MC</span>]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<span style="color:#00FFFF">My</span><span style="color:#FFFF00">Computer</span>]]) 22:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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*Wow, the feeling was stronger than I had anticipated. Always risky touching on a personal space like religion in a forum such as this. As you may have read, I do have a problem with the symbolism of any one religious denomination being accepted as a "default" for something as universal as death. Much like Wildbrick, I don't think this needs to be a high priority. I do like the '''idea of using a symbol''' in list fields (not to be used by itself in the individual's ''status'' field as has already been pointed out), but I don't think it should be a cross. That could just as easily be interpreted as indicating a character's faith, rather than their live or dead status. Do a [https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=death+symbol&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ZlBJVYjUBKS1mwXblIDQAw&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1536&bih=758 Google Image search for Death Symbol], the first results are all skull and crossbones style images. So is <big><big>&#9760;</big></big> any better? [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
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**Good point, I feel like this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, so yeah, the crucifix suits more the deceased, as most graves are given a crucifix on top of them. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 00:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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***I think you've missed  most of the point.  "most graves are given a crucifix". No, many '''Christian''' headstones use a cross which symbolises the religious denomination of the deceased party. Less than 1/3rd of the worlds population is Christian. It is the most geographically widespread (we won't go into the reasons for that) but Christians are still far-outnumbered by non-Christians. Just beacause the majority of the active editors on this particular wiki are from Western nations that are predominantly Christian, doesn't mean we have to impose the Christian view of the world on everyone else. 60% of the world population does NOT identify a Crucifix as being a recognisable symbol of death, they recognise it through western media forcing it down their throats that it is a Christian symbol (and some of them are intolerant enough to be offended by it, but that is irrelevant to this argument). I'm not saying we have to be strictly secular, but where we '''can''' avoid it, we should do so. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
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****I don't think you got that right, what I meant is that '''most of the graves''' uses a crucifix, and that this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, last but not least, what else would mean death on the infobox? I have seen many symbols and none of them fit better in this case than a crucifix, but sure, I understand that some users will understand that as a religious image, overall, I actually agree with you. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:red; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 01:12, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
==New Administrator. Solutions.==
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==[[Lifeinvader]] Profiles==
As you know, Winter Moon has been demoted. So far, three ('''EDIT:''' four) patrollers, including me, want to apply for promotion. But which is the best solution? Posting a bunch of requests? I think not. So I thought of doing something like this:
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'''''Closed as '''''Tabbed (9) Flat (0) [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
<div style="border:1px solid #00adeb; padding:7px; margin-top:6px; -moz-border-radius:5px; -webkit-border-radius:5px;">
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Update: As per the vote, I will continue development using the tabbed version and won't be trying too hard to get it looking perfect on mobile at the expense of visual or functional quality on a fully rendered browser. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User_talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 23:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
'''Applied for promotion:'''
 
*[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]
 
*[[User:Tony 1998|Tony 1998]]
 
*[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]]
 
*[[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]]
 
   
'''Votes:'''<br />
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I've been doing a bit of work this weekend building a [[Template:Infobox Lifeinvader|template]] to replicate the GTA V in-game Lifeinvader profiles. The intent is to include this template on any character that has a [[Lifeinvader]] page in-game. This will also automatically include them in the [[:Category:Lifeinvader|new category]] I have also added.
''Only Bureaucrats and Admins can vote.''
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[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Stalking_Page.png|thumb|500px|center|Sample of actual in-game Lifeinvader page]]
*[[User:McJeff|McJeff]] nominated '''Thomas'''
 
*[[User:Ilan xd|Ilan xd]] nominated '''Tony'''
 
*[[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] nominated '''Dodo'''
 
*[[User:The Tom|The Tom]] nominated '''Sasquatch'''
 
   
''ETC.''
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The template, as it stands at the moment, fairly closely replicates the look of the in-game page, with the Friends list page open displaying up to 20 friends with working links to each of their pages.
</div>
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{{clr}}
<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 08:29, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
===Votes===
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{{Infobox Lifeinvader
:''You can only vote by "Yes", "No", or "See My Comment".''
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|name = Franklin Clinton
*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 09:01, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
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|mainimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_large.png
*'''Yes''' - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 10:37, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
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|occupation = Entrepeneur
*'''Yes - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 18:09, November 1, 2013 (UTC)'''
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|relationship = Keeping my options open
*'''Yes''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 19:38, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
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|photosimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png
*'''Yes''' - [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 20:04, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
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|friendsimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 06:09, November 2, 2013 (UTC)'''
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|stalkingimage = Feud_logo2.png
*'''See my comment '''- <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 20:55, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
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|famimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png
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|famcount = 5
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|famname = Denise Clinton
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|frnimage = LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png
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|frncount = 17
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|frnname = Lamar Davis
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|stkimage = GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png
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|stkcount = 5
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|stkname = LS Customs
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|friend1 = Lamar Davis
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|friend1image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png
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|friend2 = Simeon Yeterian
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|friend2image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Simeon_Profile_large.png
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|friend3 = Tonya Wiggins
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|friend3image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png
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|friend4 = Denise Clinton
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|friend4image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png
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|friend5 = Harold 'Stretch' Joseph
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|friend5image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Stretch_Profile_large.png
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|friend6 = Tanisha Jackson
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|friend6image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tanisha_Profile_large.png
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|friend7 = Tavell Clinton
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|friend7image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Tavell_Profile_large.png
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|friend8 = Dom Beasley
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|friend8image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Dom_Profile_large.png
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|friend9 = Beverly Felton
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|friend9image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Beverly_Profile_large.png
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|friend10 = Devin Weston
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|friend10image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Devin_Profile_large.png
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|friend11 = Demarcus Bradley
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|friend11image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Demarcus_Profile_large.png
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|friend12 = Andre Barnes
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|friend12image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Andre_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend13 = Nicolson Bell
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|friend13image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Nicolson_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend14 = Jamal Reynolds
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|friend14image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Jamal_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend15 = JB Bradshaw
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|friend15image = LifeInvader_GTAV_JB_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend16 = Darryl Knox
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|friend16image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Daryl_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend17 = Dana Ellis
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|friend17image = LifeInvader_GTAV_Dana_Profile_tiny.png
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|friend18 =
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|friend18image =
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|friend19 =
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|friend19image =
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|friend20 =
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|friend20image =
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|friendshiddencount = 0
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}}
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{{Clr}}
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I have also done a bit of work seeing if I can more closely replicate the ''functionality'' of the in-game page by using 4 tabbers for profile/photos/friends/stalking but there appears to be limited formatting options available to the editor when using the tabber function, so some of the aesthetics of the template would be lost in favour of the additional functionality. 
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{| class="infobox" align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 500px;"
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:Maroon;" |[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Template_Header.png|500px|center]]
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|-
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| rowspan="5" style="width:180px;background-color:white;" |<br />[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_large.png|150px|center]]
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| colspan="3" rowspan="2" style="background-color:white;" |
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<br />'''<span style="Color:Maroon"><big><big><big>Franklin Clinton</big></big></big></span>'''<br />
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| style="width:10px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Occupation: Entrepeneur</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Relationship Status: Keeping my options open</span>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Franklin_Profile_photos.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:white;" |{{#if: Feud_logo2.png|[[File:Feud_logo2.png|left|75px]]|}}
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="4" style="text-align:center;background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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<tabber>
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Back to My Profile=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="width:300px; text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Messages</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|}
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|-|Photos=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="width:160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Photos</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<br />
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|}
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|-|Friends=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Friends List</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"|[[Lamar Davis|<span style=Color:Maroon>Lamar Davis</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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|style="vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Simeon_Profile_large.png{{pipe}}center{{pipe}}50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Simeon Yeterian{{pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Simeon Yeterian</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tonya_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tonya Wiggins{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tonya Wiggins</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"{{Pipe}} <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Denise Clinton{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Denise Clinton</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Stretch_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Harold 'Stretch' Joseph{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Harold 'Stretch' Joseph</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tanisha_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tanisha Jackson{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tanisha Jackson</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|-
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| style="vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Tavell_Profile_large.png{{Pipe}}center{{Pipe}}50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{Pipe}}[[Tavell Clinton{{Pipe}}<span style=Color:Maroon>Tavell Clinton</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|}
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|}
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|-|Stalking=
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Stalking</big></span>
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Denise_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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|<span style=Color:Black> Denise Clinton</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>17</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Lamar_Profile_large.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Lamar Davis</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>Stalking</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> LS Customs</span>
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|}
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 300px; background-color:white;"
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:Feud_logo2.png|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Feud Baseball Team|<span style=Color:Maroon>LS Feud</span>]]
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|-
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| colspan="2" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"| <br />
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|}
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|}
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</tabber>
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left;vertical-align:top; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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| style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |
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|-
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| colspan="6" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" | <br />
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|}
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{{clr}}
   
===Comments===
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I'd like to know your opinions on which version would be more useful.
*Sounds good. I understand it will be an Admin + Bureaucrat only vote? [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 09:01, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:*Yup. <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 16:05, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This method is good and fast. I hope we could make things fast and easier and without making it too much turbulent :) By the way, Jeff created a ''test'' for admin cases (see [http://gta.wikia.com/User:McJeff/Admin_cases here]) that I found interesting, and I want to fill too. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 10:37, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Yeah, I also like the look of them. I read them earlier. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 10:45, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
**They look interesting. It's a nice idea. <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 16:06, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I prefer using the word "nominated" instead of "picked", but well, I guess it'a '''Yes'''. Nevermind, back to ''AC4''. ^^ -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 19:38, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
:*I changed it to "nominated". <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 08:26, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This method seems like the best way to deal with promoting another admin. Just for the record I'm applying for admin as well. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 06:09, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I don't know. I'll wait to see what Dan and Jeff have to say. There's something about this idea that I don't like, but I'm not sure exactly what that is yet. Also, I think Jeff has his own idea about how to decide, I'd like to hear about that before voting on anything.  <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 20:55, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I prefer the community vote method. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 21:48, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Same. Wasn't Jeff thinking of a way to help decide? <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 21:59, December 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
*The fairest way to have four people run for the same position, I think, would be to do the following. I'll add a few general knowledge questions to the admin case studies page, things I think admins should know (for example: "In your own words, what is 'assume good faith?'" "Describe a situation in which you should not use your powers to block someone. Then I'll have all people interested in running for the promotion fill it out and email it to me (this is so people don't influence each other's answers). Then I'll post everyone's answers. Then we have a vote where people can specify 'yes', 'no', and optionally one person as 'first choice', which would mean that although that candidate isn't the only one qualified he's the one you think would be best. In the event of a tie of yesses the person with more 'first choice' votes wins. My biggest concern with this way of doing it is that I don't know how many total voters we can expect to have involved especially since the four people running wouldn't vote. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 03:40, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
::*Alright Jeff. So, what's your email? --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 09:16, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
::*I think the ones who should vote should be part of the staff, only admins and bureaucrats if possible.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 10:50, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I want Dan's and Tom's ok on this before we go ahead with it, then I'll give you guys my email. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 17:05, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::I like that idea a lot. I think we should handle all future promotions like that. I also think that the vote should be admins and b'crats only. My only concern is that users could find the ideal answers to your questions through this Wiki or Community Central, so we'll have to watch out for that. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 18:18, December 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::I am okay with this idea. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 21:11, December 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::::Yeah, great idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 16:57, December 28, 2013 (UTC)
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'''Flat Version:'''
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==Expanding This Wiki==
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The current (flat) version has been trialed on [[Franklin Clinton]]'s page.
Closed as <font color=red>Unsuccessful</font> - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 12:47, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
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I am still undecided on whether to align the template on the right as an infobox or whether to align it in the center of the wiki page to more closely mimic the internet appearance or to align it on the left as a normal article table.
   
Hey there, since this Wiki is popular among Wikia, I was thinking that we can expand this among Facebook, YouTube, etc. There is already a Facebook page for the GTA Wiki members and the [[GTA Wiki:Crew:GTA Wikia Crew|GTAWC]] (which I have yet to announce its launch :/). For YouTube, we can upload clips, tips, and video walkthroughs for the entire world. I think that we have a chance to traffic new users with this idea. If you think/don't think so, then leave your "so's" on the Vote and Comments below. --'''[[User:Tony_1998|Tony1998]]''' '''<small>([[User talk:Tony_1998|Talker]]</small>''' * <small>[[User blog:Tony_1998|Blogger]] * </small> '''<small>[[Special:Contributions/Tony_1998|Stalker]])</small>'''-- 00:53, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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Niko Bellic test:
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 13:10, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 06:11, November 2, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:13, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''No''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 11:26, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 12:34, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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*Also, if the videos are good enough, then we could perhaps put them onto this wiki. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 13:10, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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*I think a youtube channel would be a great way to entice new users to join the wiki. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 06:11, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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*We get enough visits and we already put in a lot of work. We don't need extra promotion. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:13, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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*Yes, this is a great idea, I think we should post narrated videos, like ''Hello guys, I'm (....) from GTA Wiki and this is our channel and we will show you how to...''. So people will acknowledge that we are from the GTA Wiki. But, somebody who can edit videos (not my case) should be posting these videos, and plus, after all this huge wave of gamers on Youtube after GTA V's release, I'm not sure that we will gain success. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 11:26, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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*I could fully understand doing this, if we actually profited from the site. Since we don't, it's a hell of a lot of work for no reward. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 12:27, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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*At first, I though it could bring in a lot of people, but seeing this from Tom's point of view, it might just be resultless work. In [[Patrick McReary|Packie McReary]]'s words: "Well, that was a whole lot of work, for no ****ing reward!". - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 12:35, November 2, 2013 (UTC)
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:rgb(255,192,203);" |<span style="Color:Black">Driver at [[Express Car Service|<span style="Color:Maroon">Bellic Cab Services</span>]]</span>
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==Wiki News Team==
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Closed as <font color=green>Successful</font> - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 12:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Hi there. I've been looking at multiple wikis and I notice that quite a few of them have working news teams. These news teams usually have 7 members on them; one for each day of the week. I think we should have a wiki news team as they look pretty good. We would need 7 users (preferably staff or very large contributors) that could be the news reporters. Here are 2 examples: [http://callofduty.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:This_username_better_work/CoDWiki_News_-_October_27th,_2013#comm-574890 Call of Duty Wiki News] and the [http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Agent_c/The_Nukapedia_News_Digest_-_26_October_2013#Around_the_wiki Fallout Wiki News]. How do you guys feel about this? [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 13:46, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 14:31, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:49, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 08:14, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes - [[User:Owen1983|Owen1983]] ([[User talk:Owen1983|talk]]) 18:46, October 30, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 19:46, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes ''' - [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:59, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:04, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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*The idea is good, pretty good indeed. But will we have to create a special news page for it or simply a blog post created by a random user? --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 14:31, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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**It would be a blog post by the news person on his day. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 14:37, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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**Nice :) --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 15:53, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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*Good idea, Tom. Do you have any candidates for the spots, already? I could do it, but not right now, as I'm being overthrown with school tests since last week, and this streak will only end next week. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:49, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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**I'll be one and you could be one and there'll be others. Let's say the blog post must be up by 2:00pm and if it isn't then someone else will make it. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 18:20, October 28, 2013 (UTC)
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***Hmm...let me just see something...at this moment, in Portugal, it's 5:05 pm. What about there? - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:05, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
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****Exact same time. From sending this it is 5:19pm. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 17:19, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*****Alright. But I can only log in from 5:30 pm and 6:15 pm, regularly (today I got home early, because one of our teachers got sick), so according to that, we'd have to program a schedule that'd work for me, you, and anyone else who wants to join in. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:24, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
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******And if it doesn't work for someone we can slightly adjust it. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 17:32, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*******Fine by me, then. :) - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:35, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*I agree, but I think that 2 or 3 users with good skills are enough. <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 08:14, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
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**We'll have to see what everyone else says. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 09:00, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
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*This is a great idea. I love how the COD Wiki does that, and I think this wiki could benifit from it also. I could do the job in a month or so, if one's open, but not currently because I've been moving and haven't even been able to play GTA V yet. But I'll hopefully get it this weekend so I might be able to go on the wiki in a month when I finish it.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:59, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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*The ideal time to do this would've been a few months before the release of GTA V. But I guess there will be a lot of Online DLC - and maybe some SP DLC - coming out so it could still work. I'm not sure we will have news every day so maybe we could just have 2 or 3 users who do it. There's more to work out but it could work. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:04, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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**Ok. I guess we could have it twice a week with just two users doing it. One could be on wednesday and one could be on perhaps saturday. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 13:08, October 31, 2013 (UTC)
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==Templates for New articles==
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Closed as <font color=green>Successful</font> - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 12:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
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At the moment a couple people use mine, I think. I created a [[Manual of Style/Vehicles/Template|blank template]] to quickly create a new article with the structure according to the MoS (copy and paste). I'm thinking maybe we should have a blank template for each MoS and then maybe link them to community messages so others can quickly create articles using them. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 10:10, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] • ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 20:20, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[file:AK-47-GTA4.png|link=http://gta.wikia.com/AK-47|I like the AK-47, a problem?|50px]][[User:AK-28|<font face= "Rage Italic" >AK-28</font>]] ([[User talk:AK-28|Talk]] ★ [[Special:Contributions/AK-28|Edits]]) 20:51, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
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*Yes. [[User:Altaïr Skywalker 47|Altaïr Skywalker 47]] ([[User talk:Altaïr Skywalker 47|talk]]) 10:15, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*During the recent run of information I was able to create the base of a vehicle article in about four minutes. I am a bit used to it, yes, but having the blank template available does help streamline the process of creating multiple articles within a certain discipline. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 20:33, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
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*Agree but I want the to do the weapons template/standard page myself also if I have some time I create weapon status template like your vehicle statuts template. [[file:AK-47-GTA4.png|link=http://gta.wikia.com/AK-47|I like the AK-47, a problem?|50px]][[User:AK-28|<font face= "Rage Italic" >AK-28</font>]] ([[User talk:AK-28|Talk]] ★ [[Special:Contributions/AK-28|Edits]]) 20:51, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
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==Image Policy 'group'==
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Closed as <font color=green>Successful</font> - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 12:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Red> Niko </span><span>Posted a status update </span>
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:''This idea was suggested by [[User:Instulent]]. ''
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So, a few weeks, during a chat conversation, Instulent suggested to create a group of editors who will keep an eye on the files uploading and are able to delete images that: break the policy violations, inappropriate content, duplicates, un-used images etc. <small><-that was edited by Instulent</small>
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This idea is meant to maintain the images uploadings during and after the release of ''[[GTA V]]''.
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So, what do you think? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 18:18, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 18:34, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Agree''' - --'''[[User:Tony_1998|Tony1998]]''' '''([[User talk:Tony_1998|Talk]]''' * '''[[Special:Contributions/Tony_1998|Contribs]])'''-- 19:32, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''See my comment''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*'''Yes''' - '''[[file:AK-47-GTA4.png|link=http://gta.wikia.com/AK-47|I like the AK-47, a problem?|50px]][[User:AK-28|<font face= "Rage Italic" >AK-28</font>]] ([[User talk:AK-28|Talk]] ★ [[Special:Contributions/AK-28|Edits]])''' ([[User talk:Kingrhem|Talk]] ★ [[Special:Contributions/Kingrhem|Edits]]) 20:06, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Agree''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|edits]])''' 22:08, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"|[[File:LifeInvader_GTAV_Niko_Profile.png|center|30px]]
*'''Yes''' - [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 10:01, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Red> Niko </span><span>Posted a photo in Obsessions</span>
*'''We need an IRC channel like #ACwiki-RC in xertion which can monitor wiki edits.... So, Yes.''' [[User:Altaïr Skywalker 47|Altaïr Skywalker 47]] ([[User talk:Altaïr Skywalker 47|talk]]) 10:17, September 29, 2013 (UTC)
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;background-color:white;"|<span style=Color:Gray> 12 days ago.</span>
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*Due to how high the image policy violations are right now when GTA V hasn't even been released, I think this will be a good idea, especially for when GTA V is released. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 18:36, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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*Ilan, I thought of this last year and consulted you about this. The '''GTA Wiki Photo Patrollers'''. Remember, Patrollers and '''trusted editors'''? - --'''[[User:Tony_1998|Tony1998]]''' '''([[User talk:Tony_1998|Talk]]''' * '''[[Special:Contributions/Tony_1998|Contribs]])'''-- 19:32, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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| colspan="3" style="background-color:white;"| I was hungry after an hour [[Jacob Hughes|<span style=Color:Red>Jacob Hughes</span>]]
**Yeah, it was one of my earliest ideas. But now Istu brought it back. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 20:02, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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*As much I would wish for this to happen, it would be kinda useless. The Patrollers don't have the power to edit or to delete images. So only admins can be part of this group, but I don't know if most of them will have time to do it.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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**Yep, that's the problem, and why I afraid it won't work. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 20:02, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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|-|Photos=
**Agree with Dodo and Ilan, Admins won't be there all the time --[[User:Kingrhem|<font face= "Impact" >Kingrhem</font>]] ([[User talk:Kingrhem|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Kingrhem|Edits]]) 20:06, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
*Abandon project then? [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 20:12, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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**@Instu: NO [[User:Kingrhem|<font face= "Impact" >Kingrhem</font>]] ([[User talk:Kingrhem|Talk]] ★ [[Special:Contributions/Kingrhem|Edits]]) 20:24, August 25, 2013 (UTC)
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Photos</big></span>
*To avoid mass clutter, I think any image that doesn't get used within 24 hours of its upload should be removed. Then we can keep track of what's coming through. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 10:04, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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Closed as <font color=green>Successful</font> - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 12:41, November 3, 2013 (UTC)
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{| border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" style="width: 480px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Videos</big></span>
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|[[File:Burgershot.svg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Burger Shot</span>
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| colspan="3" style="text-align:left; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"|<span style=Color:Black><big>Obsessing</big></span>
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{| border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="1" style="text-align:left; width: 160px; background-color:rgb(255,192,203);"
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Family</span> <span style=Color:Black>(1)</span><br>
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|[[File:Roman_2.jpg|left|50px]]
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| <span style=Color:Black> Roman Bellic</span>
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|-
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Friends</span> <span style=Color:Black>(7)</span><br>
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|-
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|[[File:MallorieBardas-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Mallorie Bordas</span>
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|-
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|[[File:LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup.png|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Jacob Hughes</span>
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|[[File:BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV.jpg|left|50px]]
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| style="text-align:left;vertical-align:center;"| <span style=Color:Black> Brucie Kibbutz</span>
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| colspan="2"|<span style=Color:Maroon>On Obsessions</span> <span style=Color:Black>5</span><br>
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|style="width: 52px; vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[File:Burgershot.svg|center|50px]]
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|style="text-align:left;vertical-align:middle;"{{pipe}}[[Burger Shot|<span style=Color:Maroon>Burger Shot</span>]]
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Hi guys. Basically, I think that we should take down the Featured Images section of the main page. I think this because I believe that it looks messy, boring and frankly, I never notice it. So yeah, I think it should be taken down. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/LS11sVaultBoy|Edits]]) 16:55, August 8, 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for reading. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 11:18, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Kingrhem|<font face= "Impact" >Kingrhem</font>]] ([[User talk:Kingrhem|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Kingrhem|Edits]]) 18:09, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Please indicate your preference for '''Flat''' version or '''Tabbed''' version below:
*'''Yes - [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 18:14, August 10, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Tabbed''' - {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 11:59, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:49, August 11, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Tabbed''' [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 12:06, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Could Be''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 10:34, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 12:10, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed '''- [[File:MONKEYPOLICE188.png|100px|link=User:Monkeypolice188]] ([[User talk:Monkeypolice188|talk]]) | ([[Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|stalk]]) 12:37, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:SJWalker|SJWalker]] ([[User talk:SJWalker|talk]]) 13:28, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[Image:Signature.png|105px|link=User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]] ([[User talk:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]]/[[Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">stalk</span>]]/[[User blog:AndreEagle17|<span style="color:black">blog</span>]]) 14:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed ''' - {{userlinks|Mortsnarg}}
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="font-family:agency fb;">[[User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]] [[File:Detonator Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]] [[File:Crate Android.png|20px]]</span> 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed'''-[[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth hunter|Stalk]]) 10:28, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Tabbed''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*Yeah, maybe change it to the latest screenshots of GTA V? [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 18:14, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Please add any comments or suggestions for improvements to either version:
**Agree [[User:Kingrhem|<font face= "Impact" >Kingrhem</font>]] ([[User talk:Kingrhem|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Kingrhem|Edits]]) 18:25, August 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*The Tabbed version looks less confusing. However, both versions of the infobox looks very confusing in the mobile version. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 12:08, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
*Latest screenshots sounds good. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:49, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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**Good point. I keep forgetting that both my Android and Windows mobiles are set to browse the full version, not the mobile version of wikia. As far as I can tell, the mobile version doesn't render tabbers at all, it just flattens them out, and both versions of the infobox use nested tables which don't ever render well in the mobile version. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:29, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
*I agree with the idea, and Instu's idea is good too, but I think the purpose of that particular section is showing "good quality" images, I think that's the only reason for it being placed there. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 10:34, August 11, 2013 (UTC)
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***Checked using Wikia's preview tool. It definitely looks terrible on mobile. The table is extremely narrow and barely readable. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 12:31, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***Yes, I checked with my Android device (I think it is a better test than the Wikia previwer - although that works pretty well). The set widths of the left columns definitely mess with the mobile rendering, probably more so than the nested tables. I thought there would be side-scrolling issues but it just squeezed it vertically, even when you are viewing the mobile version in "landscape" mode. Yuck. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 12:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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****The mobile version of the wikia sucks anyway, I wouldn't bother with this if I was you. - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#FF6600">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*****That's something I agree with - but we can't do much if a lot of people use Wikia through their phone. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 07:25, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*****Noticed another thing - the infobox is readable in the GTA Fan App. Although a few words are not visible, it is far more better than the mobile version of this wikia. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|MC]] ([[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|MyComputer]]) 10:21, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Are you going to be adding this template to Niko Bellic's page? Just out of curiosity. I like the idea and in my opinion, the templates look really good on the pages! {{userlinks|Mortsnarg}}
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**We don't have access to his profile in-game, so that would be an incomplete template based on the blurry image we can see on Jimmy's PC. {{Signatures/RainingPain17}} 16:54, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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**But the people that Niko's friends with and the business's he follows are still partially visible and legible. We could just link it to the people he's friends with (on the main page) it would be incomplete, but there's still info on his page and I think it would be fair to at least consider it. Whatever, maybe I'm missing the point, just think over the idea. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 17:01, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
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***No, I hadn't intended to put Niko's profile on his page, since the player cannot see it on the in-game LI site nor get the full content of his friends/stalk lists. The mock-up on Jimmy's laptop is unique. I may replicate the 3rd version - the [http://www.lifeinvader.com/profile/jackhowitzer real world internet version] which doesn't match the in-game internet version as a 2nd template. Niko's one might warrant a one-off attempted replica on his page not using either template. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 01:47, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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****Test of Niko Bellic version added above (as best as I can make out some of the text from my screenshots of Jimmy's open laptop. [[User:Smurfynz|smurfy]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Smurfynz|coms]])</small></sup> 05:10, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Even I'm not a big fan of things like this, the tabbed version looks nice and easy to handle, like the in-game version. Still can't give an accurate opinion about the mobile version, but all that I can see is that it looks messy in both forms due to their limitations. So yeah, the tabbed one. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="font-family:agency fb;">[[User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]] [[File:Detonator Android.png|20px]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]] [[File:Crate Android.png|20px]]</span> 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
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* The tabber makes it look cleaner and more organized. Closing the vote as tabber. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

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Use of the "Deceased" symbolEdit

Four users (myself, Sean, Marcus and RainingPain) have been discussing how to list characters as deceased in various sections (members, relatives etc.) of infoboxes. One case is character templates, where deceased characters have been identified with a crucifix (†) symbol. As Sean points out, they make the page look cleaner, but they can also impose religious connotations on others, which may not be appropriate on some pages. Since we all have varying opinions on how this should be identified, Sean suggesting setting up a community vote, so here we go:

In infobox sections (such as relatives, members etc), should deceased characters be identified in Written form, or through the use of a Symbol?

VotesEdit

  • Symbol - EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - DLVIII Talk 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol -TevanoRCMP (talk) 21:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Symbol  - DocVinewood (talk) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written - V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written - SJWalker (talk) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Written Symbol - Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Symbol - MC (MyComputer) 22:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Neutral - smurfy (coms) 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I think the crucifix means more of religion than death, but I think it should be added to a character's relative who is dead, like Packie McReary, in the relatives section of his infobox, there should be; Derrick McReary†, but in the status section, it's better if we write Deceased. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • The relatives etc. section was the section we were discussing Andre. If you look on the Lost MC page, the members section in the infobox uses the crucifix. I'll re-word the statement to make it clearer. SJWalker (talk) 14:43, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • If the crucifix is such a problem, I may come up with a skull icon. That one wouldn't have any religious connotation whatsoever. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 14:52, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • We are living in an era where everyone can look at a symbol, a opinion or a idea and immediately feel ofended by it. If anyone look at that crucifix and say that we are imposing religious believe on him, I would say to him shut up and grow a pair, the crucifix is a universal symbol of death, on the context of the page it has nothing to do with religion, get over with. If anyone see religious symbolist on the crucifix is because they want to. The last thing I want right now, is to see this site bend over this ridiculous politically correct bullshit that have been plaguing the media for the past years.
  • Besides, writing deceased on everything is ugly, and as Sean said, the crucifix makes it seem more clean. - DLVIII Talk 15:02, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Understood now, changed my vote. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • What if deceased was identified as the word deceased but written in the color red.along with the crucifix TevanoRCMP (talk)
    • Won't solve the issue. Just make the infobox look even worse than right now. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 15:48, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • The symbol works in the character templates and it will work in the infoboxes. Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Seeing how the odds of my suggestion wont look good I am voting as symbol. I would hate to see the cruucifix to go away TevanoRCMP (talk) 16:13, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Since I am a Christian, I can say that the symbol we use is based on the "Cross", which Jesus was hung on, along with what we wear on jewelry for "protection". However, adding the cross symbol to mean deceased is not a good idea, since most editors here are atheists and therefore do not believe in any religion. Still, I'd go for the symbol since it makes the pages look cleaner. As Rain said, a skull symbol is more understanding and less argumentive of a topic than the use of the cross symbol. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:36, May 5, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
    • So what if most editors are atheists? The cross is there to symbolize that the character is dead, not that he was christian or anything like that. If most editors here are atheists, thats their problem. Hell, DocVinewood is atheist and he doesn't care about this. The way that we edit the wikia shouldn't be a reflex of the staff religious beliefs.- DLVIII Talk 17:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • Well, I believe that the cross isn't a good symbol to use. As WildBrick said, it can offend some users. Plus a Cross isn't used in reality to define a dead character at all. Also, you misread what I was saying. I didn't say that the Cross meant characters were Christians, but that the Cross isn't a good symbol to use for everyone. We have religious and non-religious editors here. A better symbol to use is a skull, which makes more sense and is a less argumentative topic. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:47, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
        • This is EXACTLY the kind of mentality I was arguing against in my first comment, this whole "some people might get offended by it!", fuck this people! No seryously, fuck then. If these people can't see pass their religious beliefs, then they might as well stay away from the internet as a whole. Changing the way we operate things just because some small amound of people are too simple minded to accept that others can have different opinions of the world as they is bullshit, plain and simple. And I say this as a catholic myself. And the cross can have tons of different meanings depending of with person you ask for, the most common meaning is the christian one: death and ressurection, DEATH and ressurection.- DLVIII Talk 18:08, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • I agree with 558. The crucifix is an universal symbol and everybody knows what it means, there is no need to change it. I'm an atheist and I don't have any problem with it, nor I'm offended in the slightest. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. DocVinewood (talk) 16:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • True as i don't see how the crucifix could offend anyone and well said Doc if it ain't broke don't fix it. ~~~~
  • Probably gonna be alone on this one but, yeah, written.

    First, the crucifix is mostly used as a symbol of christianity. Many people have different opinions of it whether it's good or bad. Not everyone might understand this though which can cause confusions. Remember, we live in a world filled with different opinions and religions which means some people will get offended by it and some won't. Some mightn't even know what that logo/symbol means (there are people like that) which will cause confusion and distrubance.

    Second. Cleaner yeah, effortful nah. The reason why I'm against this is because there isn't a point to these. "(deceased)" does the job just fine. It does not make the infobox ugly and it does give some bit of information. Unless you're using a 800x600 CRT (probably there are no issues even with that), there is absolutely no problems with it. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? Also how hard is it to type out "<small>(deceased)</small>"? It's no different than looking for and copy-pasting logos. It actually shows some effort put into the page instead of "here, have a random logo - I hope you understand 'cause you gotta find out things by yourself". If we're gonna use a logo to "explain" things, we might as well change all templates into pictures and put everything into abbreviations example being: "TA is a 2-door sc feat. in GTAV & GTAO." (imaginary cookies for whoever actually knows what page's description I shortened like that) I mean it makes the intro for the page cleaner and does give somewhat understandable information. It also doesn't need as much effort as writing the whole thing out so why not?

    Third, as said, the "(deceased)" does the job just fine. Are we really gonna waste so much of our times to swap everything with a logo? Nobody ever complained about the use of "(deceased)" then someone (don't remember who, I just remember seeing it on wiki activity) pointed out "it makes it cleaner" and suddenly everyone started losing their mind. Hundreds of pictures are uncategorized, hunderds of pages are stubs or are broken due to changes with whatever, hundreds of useless redirects are on the wiki, hundreds of old templates incompatible with the new design are not fixed... yet noone cares. Nodoby mentiones a thing about these and then suddenly we get a full-blown discussion about whether actual text should be replaced with some logo. Has logic taken a 180 degree turn or something? Even if this idea comes to pass, do we need to make such a silly issue our top priority?... especially when there actual issues around the wiki? V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:00, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Disagree, and i'll use your words: The crucifix does a fine job either, you can see that it works well on other wikis. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • "Disagree" Explain why?
        "you can see that it works well on other wikis" Examples on wikis that noone (who supports the symbol) from GTA Wiki edited on? V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
        • Look at this infobox here. For me it looks good. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:18, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
          • Added by an IP address and you are also editing on this wiki. Fair enough though.
            Still, "Sam (brother) † " doesn't look that clean to me. Words in bracket and then a symbol, it makes the little character description inconsistent. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:31, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • I think the cross looks nice, look at this page for example, can you imagine how that infobox would look if they put deceased after every single character? It would look polluted as hell, the cross occupies less space and does the job just fine. - DLVIII Talk 17:44, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
      • That's a lot of family members. Anyway, that list and descriptions after it wouldn't look as polluted if bullet points wouldn't be used and the description text would have "<small>" tags.

        Valid link and point though, it seems like the symbols were used on that page all the way back in 2010. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 17:54, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • I've thought about it and decided to stick with it in written form. As an athiest I have no opinion on the meaning of the crucifix as it does not offend me in any way, I just think that writing "Deceased" is much clearer and in my opinion makes little/no difference to the layout of the infobox. SJWalker (talk) 17:41, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Not everyone can understand symbols, that's all I have to say. I agree with Wild and Sam. Just saw Rain's skull idea. Changed my vote, symbols are always identifiable when it comes to death :P. Monkeypolice188-Signature LSPD Loudhailer-V-render StunGun-GTA5-ingame 20:33, May 5, 2015 (UTC)18:34, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • It does seem neater when using the symbol, as the written one may occupy some space in the infobox. MC (MyComputer) 22:51, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
  • Wow, the feeling was stronger than I had anticipated. Always risky touching on a personal space like religion in a forum such as this. As you may have read, I do have a problem with the symbolism of any one religious denomination being accepted as a "default" for something as universal as death. Much like Wildbrick, I don't think this needs to be a high priority. I do like the idea of using a symbol in list fields (not to be used by itself in the individual's status field as has already been pointed out), but I don't think it should be a cross. That could just as easily be interpreted as indicating a character's faith, rather than their live or dead status. Do a Google Image search for Death Symbol, the first results are all skull and crossbones style images. So is any better? smurfy (coms) 23:32, May 5, 2015 (UTC)
    • Good point, I feel like this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, so yeah, the crucifix suits more the deceased, as most graves are given a crucifix on top of them. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 00:32, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • I think you've missed  most of the point.  "most graves are given a crucifix". No, many Christian headstones use a cross which symbolises the religious denomination of the deceased party. Less than 1/3rd of the worlds population is Christian. It is the most geographically widespread (we won't go into the reasons for that) but Christians are still far-outnumbered by non-Christians. Just beacause the majority of the active editors on this particular wiki are from Western nations that are predominantly Christian, doesn't mean we have to impose the Christian view of the world on everyone else. 60% of the world population does NOT identify a Crucifix as being a recognisable symbol of death, they recognise it through western media forcing it down their throats that it is a Christian symbol (and some of them are intolerant enough to be offended by it, but that is irrelevant to this argument). I'm not saying we have to be strictly secular, but where we can avoid it, we should do so. smurfy (coms) 01:05, May 6, 2015 (UTC)
        • I don't think you got that right, what I meant is that most of the graves uses a crucifix, and that this skull you wrote is more like a pirate skull, last but not least, what else would mean death on the infobox? I have seen many symbols and none of them fit better in this case than a crucifix, but sure, I understand that some users will understand that as a religious image, overall, I actually agree with you. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 01:12, May 6, 2015 (UTC)

Lifeinvader ProfilesEdit

Closed as Tabbed (9) Flat (0) Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

Update: As per the vote, I will continue development using the tabbed version and won't be trying too hard to get it looking perfect on mobile at the expense of visual or functional quality on a fully rendered browser. smurfy (coms) 23:58, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

I've been doing a bit of work this weekend building a template to replicate the GTA V in-game Lifeinvader profiles. The intent is to include this template on any character that has a Lifeinvader page in-game. This will also automatically include them in the new category I have also added.

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Stalking Page

Sample of actual in-game Lifeinvader page

The template, as it stands at the moment, fairly closely replicates the look of the in-game page, with the Friends list page open displaying up to 20 friends with working links to each of their pages.

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile large


Franklin Clinton

Occupation: Entrepeneur
Relationship Status: Keeping my options open
LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile photos
LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Feud logo2
Back to My Profile Photos Friends Stalking
Friends List
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis

LifeInvader GTAV Simeon Profile large
Simeon Yeterian

LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Tonya Wiggins

LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Stretch Profile large
Harold 'Stretch' Joseph

LifeInvader GTAV Tanisha Profile large
Tanisha Jackson

LifeInvader GTAV Tavell Profile large
Tavell Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Dom Profile large
Dom Beasley

LifeInvader GTAV Beverly Profile large
Beverly Felton

LifeInvader GTAV Devin Profile large
Devin Weston

LifeInvader GTAV Demarcus Profile large
Demarcus Bradley

LifeInvader GTAV Andre Profile tiny
Andre Barnes

LifeInvader GTAV Nicolson Profile tiny
Nicolson Bell

LifeInvader GTAV Jamal Profile tiny
Jamal Reynolds

LifeInvader GTAV JB Profile tiny
JB Bradshaw

LifeInvader GTAV Daryl Profile tiny
Darryl Knox

LifeInvader GTAV Dana Profile tiny
Dana Ellis


LifeInvader GTAV Template private
0 friends with private profiles.

I have also done a bit of work seeing if I can more closely replicate the functionality of the in-game page by using 4 tabbers for profile/photos/friends/stalking but there appears to be limited formatting options available to the editor when using the tabber function, so some of the aesthetics of the template would be lost in favour of the additional functionality. 

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile large


Franklin Clinton

Occupation: Entrepeneur
Relationship Status: Keeping my options open
LifeInvader GTAV Franklin Profile photos
LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Feud logo2

Messages
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs

Photos
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs

Friends List
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis

LifeInvader GTAV Simeon Profile large
Simeon Yeterian

LifeInvader GTAV Tonya Profile large
Tonya Wiggins

LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton

LifeInvader GTAV Stretch Profile large
Harold 'Stretch' Joseph

LifeInvader GTAV Tanisha Profile large
Tanisha Jackson

LifeInvader GTAV Tavell Profile large
Tavell Clinton

Stalking
Family 5
LifeInvader GTAV Denise Profile large
Denise Clinton
Friends 17
LifeInvader GTAV Lamar Profile large
Lamar Davis
Stalking 5
GTAV-LSCustoms-Logo
LS Customs
Feud logo2
LS Feud


I'd like to know your opinions on which version would be more useful.

Flat Version:

  • Closely replicates look of in-game site
  • Functional for friends list only, no stalking list visible

Tabbed version:

  • Loses visual similarity for the tabs with background and text formatting lost
  • Fully-functional for both Friends and Stalking tabs, Photos tab is non-functional in-game so would have no content anyway, Profile (messages) tab content would not need to be replicated in the template (at this stage).

The current (flat) version has been trialed on Franklin Clinton's page. I am still undecided on whether to align the template on the right as an infobox or whether to align it in the center of the wiki page to more closely mimic the internet appearance or to align it on the left as a normal article table.

Niko Bellic test:

LifeInvader GTAV Template Header

LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile


Niko Bellic

Driver at Bellic Cab Services
Lives in Broker
Garnet St
Dillion street
Burgershot


On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot
LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile
Niko Posted a status update xx minutes ago.
Happy Birthday Roman.
+1 Fanboy. Comment. Share.
Mallorie Bordas,Jacob Hughes and 18 others are obsessed with this.
Rockstar New England logo
Write a comment...

LifeInvader GTAV Niko Profile
Niko Posted a photo in Obsessions 12 days ago.
LifeInvader GTAV Niko Photo posted
I was hungry after an hour Jacob Hughes

Photos
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot

Videos
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot

Obsessing
On Family (1)
Roman 2
Roman Bellic
On Friends (7)
MallorieBardas-GTAIV
Mallorie Bordas
LittleJacob-GTAIV-Closeup
Jacob Hughes
BrucieKibbutz-GTAIV
Brucie Kibbutz
On Obsessions 5
Burgershot
Burger Shot
Burgershot
Burger Shot


Thanks for reading. smurfy (coms) 11:18, May 3, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

Please indicate your preference for Flat version or Tabbed version below:

CommentsEdit

Please add any comments or suggestions for improvements to either version:

  • The Tabbed version looks less confusing. However, both versions of the infobox looks very confusing in the mobile version. MC (MyComputer) 12:08, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
    • Good point. I keep forgetting that both my Android and Windows mobiles are set to browse the full version, not the mobile version of wikia. As far as I can tell, the mobile version doesn't render tabbers at all, it just flattens them out, and both versions of the infobox use nested tables which don't ever render well in the mobile version. smurfy (coms) 12:29, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Checked using Wikia's preview tool. It definitely looks terrible on mobile. The table is extremely narrow and barely readable. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 12:31, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • Yes, I checked with my Android device (I think it is a better test than the Wikia previwer - although that works pretty well). The set widths of the left columns definitely mess with the mobile rendering, probably more so than the nested tables. I thought there would be side-scrolling issues but it just squeezed it vertically, even when you are viewing the mobile version in "landscape" mode. Yuck. smurfy (coms) 12:38, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
        • The mobile version of the wikia sucks anyway, I wouldn't bother with this if I was you. - DLVIII Talk 02:20, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
          • That's something I agree with - but we can't do much if a lot of people use Wikia through their phone. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 07:25, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
          • Noticed another thing - the infobox is readable in the GTA Fan App. Although a few words are not visible, it is far more better than the mobile version of this wikia. MC (MyComputer) 10:21, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Are you going to be adding this template to Niko Bellic's page? Just out of curiosity. I like the idea and in my opinion, the templates look really good on the pages! Mortsnarg (talk)
    • We don't have access to his profile in-game, so that would be an incomplete template based on the blurry image we can see on Jimmy's PC. Monolith Patch Rain - Talk SCS Freedom 16:54, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
    • But the people that Niko's friends with and the business's he follows are still partially visible and legible. We could just link it to the people he's friends with (on the main page) it would be incomplete, but there's still info on his page and I think it would be fair to at least consider it. Whatever, maybe I'm missing the point, just think over the idea. Mortsnarg (talk) 17:01, May 3, 2015 (UTC)
      • No, I hadn't intended to put Niko's profile on his page, since the player cannot see it on the in-game LI site nor get the full content of his friends/stalk lists. The mock-up on Jimmy's laptop is unique. I may replicate the 3rd version - the real world internet version which doesn't match the in-game internet version as a 2nd template. Niko's one might warrant a one-off attempted replica on his page not using either template. smurfy (coms) 01:47, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
        • Test of Niko Bellic version added above (as best as I can make out some of the text from my screenshots of Jimmy's open laptop. smurfy (coms) 05:10, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Even I'm not a big fan of things like this, the tabbed version looks nice and easy to handle, like the in-game version. Still can't give an accurate opinion about the mobile version, but all that I can see is that it looks messy in both forms due to their limitations. So yeah, the tabbed one. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Dispatch Detonator Android Data Files Crate Android 04:02, May 4, 2015 (UTC)
  •  The tabber makes it look cleaner and more organized. Closing the vote as tabber. Leo68 (talk) 15:46, May 5, 2015 (UTC)

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