Talk:Khamelion

Possibly based on Fisker Karma?

At first I wanted to put it on the page but decided against it because it would be removed within a second by someone (looking at a guy with blue-colored username (admin)).

I've been around GTAForums (as usual) and noticed that this could be based on Fisker Karma.

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Obviously based off the Fisker Karma, which is an electric car. The name is probably based off the song Karma Chemelon by Culture Club.

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But what sells this notion is what you've said there. Because that is exactly the kind of wordplay Rockstar use to name almost everything in GTA. Fisker Karma -> Karma Chameleon (Culture Club song) -> Khamelion

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Discuss

18:52, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

The Fisker Karma is a hybrid. Hybrid ≠ electric vehicle. JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 19:12, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

I know but it's R*'s game so they can do anything they want which includes different vehicle engines. And it makes sence to me because R* loves to play with words. 19:35, May 24, 2013 (UTC)

Wrong..

Whoa Wildbrick.. slow them horses down.. that isn't the Khamelion... the Khamelion only appears in multiplayer, not single player..

Take a look at the badging. You can see that it says Khamelion or Chamelion (Can't see the first letter). The game is in development so they could enable it in SP. 17:35, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

 Possibly, but this isn't a speculation wiki.. I'll chat to Jonny & see what he thinks :) CiaoInstulent (talk) 17:37, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

He is also doing speculations. That will most likely not be true. 7F? What is this? It was never said by R* that this is the car's name. So he is speculating more than anyone. And new screenshot is a solid proof that this is the Khamelion. 17:45, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

So, using the Rage Italic font, You can compare the badge and the writing. Looks almost identical.

17:50, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

You don't need to make it that big.. :D  Jonny should be coming in a few minutes soon, so we will find out soon :DInstulent (talk) 17:55, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Jonny will start ultimately speculating saying "this car is not Khamelion" or "car =/= electric" or "Khamelion in reality is called 7F". Just please, take a closer look at the badge and the font writing. Compare the size and lenght. This clearly says its Khamelion. I'm not trying to speculate or start wars or anything but what else is there to show that this is not the Khamelion? 18:02, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

That does look pretty convincing, I doubt they would put two cars with the same name save one letter into the game. Maybe they did? o.O HebbyDGouchemen (talk here) 18:01, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

If someone can give me a logical explanation as to why an electric car has exhaust pipes I will unlockj the page. JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 18:08, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

With cars like the Ford Fusion, you have your normal version, then you have the hybrid version. RAGREF2 (Talk) 18:12, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Dilettante was electric/hybrid and it has exhaust pipes. Can you give me logical explanation to why is this car called 7F if it is not called like that? 18:14, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

So what? You left the page locked and decided to go away? I see that you are a responsible admin *sarcasm*. 18:34, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

I'll warn you now; watch your tone. I've said this before and I'll say it again Hybrid 

≠ electric car. Seeing as the only official info given for the Khamlion is electric car, it cannot be the vehicle featured in the image. If it were electric there wouldn't be any exhaust pipes, if it were described as a hybrid you may a have a case, but it isn't.

The name 7F is given so that readers can quickly identify the car, it is immediately identified as an unofficial name as well. If we giving vehicles the name "Unnamed x" we'll run out of name placeholders.

The page shall remain locked until someone can provide credible information Khamelion. JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 18:48, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Where/how did I offend you? Because I said that you just left without giving a reply like an admin should do?

Anyway, It's Rockstar's Game so they can do what they want. If they decide that they will add decorative exhaust pipes, or make it hybrid then they will.

7F is not official and the biggest speculation I have seen this year. And why bother making a page? If car has unofficial/no name then it should be on Vehicles in GTA V page so it will save space and time making unnecessary pages.

I have said that twice before and I will say it again: LOOK AT THE PICTURE. You can clearly see Chamelion or Khamelion written on the stupid car. Compare both fonts. Compare the size and lenght. It can be easily noticed.

18:59, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Apart from the name 7F tell me what is speculation on that article. Also if a page for a vehicle is unnecessary, then why are you here? JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 19:05, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

I said unnecessary about pages for UNNAMED vehicles. 19:16, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Just because it's unnamed doesn't make it any less of a vehicle. JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 19:26, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

Still, there wouldn't be any pages with misleading, unofficial and extremely speculative names like 7F 19:28, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

It's only as speculative as a reader makes it to be. It says quite clearly next to it (unoficially named), in conjuction with the unreleased template. JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 19:44, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

But does the page title say it's "unoficially named"? 19:50, June 11, 2013 (UTC)

The "C" is actually a "K" in script writing, I bet 50 bucks to JBanton the car seen in the picture is the Khamelion. JBanton is just abusing his moderator powers on something that is actually real. RAGREF (Feeling lonely?) 19:39, June 17, 2013 (UTC)

To be honest i think that: in singleplayer there will be a normal petrol engined Chamelion seen in the screenshots and in multiplayer the electric Khamelion. Youandagif (talk) 09:47, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, the poeple that disagree with me, how I love this stuff. Until there's proper evidence (I don't count the image, seeing as the wording on the Premium Executive Sedan hasn't been identified), this shall remain locked in the case that it actually does concern the model for the Grand Tourer. There's not much point expanding this article if the other article, with all the information can be renamed, but at this moment in time which names belongs to which model is uncertain. JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 18:58, June 18, 2013 (UTC)

There's something else that I realised that distances the model in question from being named Chamelion. This holiday has given me some time to study and I don't know how I didn't pick this up earlier: the word (whatever it is) is in the mniddle of the tailgate. Model names are never in the centre of tailgate, only manufacturer emblems. In the GTA universe, this, this, this, this, this and a whole bunch of other models have manufacturer emblems in the centre. Further supporting what I'm saying is (among the vast numbers of cars with similar logo placing) the car's real life inspiration for the rear; the Gran Turismo - it has the manufacturer lettering in the same place as the car in the image. If anything the word that people see is the manufacturer title. JBanton (Talk | Contribs) 19:40, August 12, 2013 (UTC)

Needs editing

• That last line in the trivia is false. The Khamelion is available to those in GTA Online if they have the Collector's Edition. I presume that it is not completely exclusive. They just get it earlier in the game while everyone has to work for it. I have the same feeling about the garages, the HotKnife, and the CarbonRS in single player. The Khamelion is not exclusive to Collectors Edition owners in single player because Rockstar never said that. --Zulu2065 (talk) 13:43, August 19, 2013 (UTC)--

I was thinking how stupid it could be if the car was exclusive for the special and collector's edition and only in multiplayer,so,if i own the standard edition,then what would happen if i decided to stole it from any online player? well,i think it's on single player too,and not only for those who own the special/collectors edition

I've wondered the same thing, as one of the screenshots this car was in shows Michael driving itl obviously this would be in single player, but it seems no player has even found it in single player yet. YokelBellic (talk) 20:19, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Design section size

Does the design section on this page seem a bit too big to anyone? There is literally a paragraph describing each angle of the car, along with assumptions on what it is actually made of and how the curves make the car look interesting mixed in. I understand the point of the section is to describe what the car looks like, (and in this case a Fisker Karma), but there doesnt really need to be whole paragraphs describing what the curves look like. Hinklebomber22 (talk) 23:03, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Engine?

I edited page yesterday but it got reverted, where you guys see V12 engine?

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/516007662979338924/C2865859D347D61696714D0257E409B13A398D36/

here's my photo of engine from diffrent angle, you can cleary see that it's 4 cylinder engine (exhaust header with 4 pipes, cleary visible at my photo), rather strange turbine piping (maybe because of low poly nature of these models), it's also DOHC engine (2 camshafts in front of engine).

At also reasembles Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution engine:

http://www.moibibiki.com/images/mitsubishi-lancer-evolution-engine-7.jpg

http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3i3nr7s6P1qk65n6o2_r1_1280.jpg

If that's indeed based on Evo engine, it should have 280 horse power, with 450hp car would accelerate much faster. Even with 280hp Lancer Evo goes from 0 to 100km/h in less than 5 seconds unlike stated 5,5 or observed 6,9 second. Evo is also 4x4 with engine placed horizontal.

Esquisito (talk) 06:11, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

The 3D model used is:

a) different from Original edition to Enhanced edition. 

b) a shared model used in multiple vehicles that doesn't actually reflect the performance profile, exterior badging or stated specifications of this vehicle. Just like the shared interior controls do not match the vehicle motive power specs. This is common in the modelling of GTA vehicles.

c) real life engine influence on a 3D model has ABSOLUTELY ZERO relevance to the performance of the vehicle it is used in. 

I do agree that the latest 3D model does NOT visually represent a V12. smurfy ^(coms) 09:27, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

I am unable to see how engine looked in orginal edition, had it back then with help of a glitch. I understand that it's just a game and vehicle can have nitro rc engine model and fly like a jet plane, but still it sads me that it uses no petrol engine, TurismoR is also a hybrid but uses normal engine. Hope someday people will find a way to "enable" it's petrol engine. It's nice looking car and very good to drive except V-Max

Esquisito (talk) 09:37, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

I have been meaning to return to a task of documenting the engine 3D models in the same way I have done with the dashboards on the Vehicle Features page. Off the top of my head, that model is used by the Stratum where it is supposed to represent a 2.6 Twin Turbo six (i.e. the legendary Nissan RB26DETT). smurfy ^(coms) 09:49, June 16, 2015 (UTC)

Yup, that's clearly an Inline 4. Must just be a copied use of other engine models found in other cars.  14:54, June 16, 2015 (UTC)