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Modification tables[]

Hey Cam, so I grew tired of seeing visualeditor/accidental changes to the div tags on the modification tables from people who were editing the tables, so I think this might work better. Instead of using div tags and a template to link to this, we should stick to something much simpler (I admit it was me who originally did this):

''Main article: [[Los Santos Customs/Whatever article its linking to]]''

Instead of the current template/div tags used. So yeah, if you see any like this, just replace it with that line of text ;) Monk (Bureaucrat Bureaucrat) Talk 12:15, January 31, 2019 (UTC)

RE: pt.3[]

  1. Yes, they're indeed missing. I will go back and add them myself, shouldn't take long.
  2. Keep it as it is. It was the original set that I wasn't really satisfied with, and thus a new set was made to take its place.

P.S. Thought I'd let you know, the Flash GT page has two sets of livery images clashing together. You uploaded mine but TSP beat you to it. Kek NoirlimeTalk | Contribs 10:05, March 5, 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry[]

I accidentally thought, that this was GTA Fanon Wiki and wrote to you, thinking that you're administator here. Sorry.

Hello Camilo Flores, I have an issue with a gallery caption on the new created article Hank's. I have tried to fix several times but I couldn't solve it. Could you solve it please?

Serafin002 (talk) 13:54, May 21, 2020 (UTC)

Text[]

I really need to know why you deleted my image in the UFO image section. There really was no reason to but I understand you mistake. (15:46, April 22, 2019 (UTC)~~)

You need to follow the image policy, failing to follow the policy will issue you a warning and your image will be deleted. TheF3nt0n (talk) 15:52, April 22, 2019 (UTC)

Shamal[]

You reverted my edit at Freefall. Prove to me how the Dodo is fast as the Shamal and at what platform. if you cant, then you are the type of ppl for whom wkia is infamous for having false exaggerated fan made information ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shak00001 (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

If you want proof, watch literally any walkthrough on Youtube. Do some research and stop bothering staff members with your "I need proof, you editors are known for wrong information" idiocy. Matrexpingvin (talk) 15:16, May 14, 2019 (UTC)

Introduction - Fandom Wiki Manager[]

Good afternoon Camilo.

I'd like to personally introduce myself to you as you are a very active member of this community.

I am Jr Mme, a Fandom Wiki Manager, and I'll be helping the community of this wiki for any sorts of questions/problems, and be a bridge to full-time Fandom staff.

Please let me know if you have any questions about anything wiki-related. I'll be glad to help you out!

Thank you, - Jr Mime (talk) [VSTF] 23:07, May 15, 2019 (UTC)

GP1 edits[]

In response to the GP1, i put that in there becuase the GTA 4 Turismo looks VERY similar to the GP1. I'm sorry if you admins cannot see the similarites, but they are nigh-identical cars, visually.

ExodusBF4 (talk) 23:53, May 23, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

GP1 edits, again.[]

Look, i never said both cars are COMPLETLEY identical, but you must be blind to not see the obvious similarites between the two. They both are short, stubby supercars that have a very sleek and rounded look.

ExodusBF4 (talk) 01:24, May 24, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

Vortex Page[]

Hello, Cam. I would appreciate it if you could help me with moving/renaming this article to "Vortex". A user has renamed it to "Vortex (hovercraft)", but it's the first appearance of a vehicle named Vortex, so it should only be "Vortex". I can't do it myself as it gives me an error saying that an article named "Vortex" already exists, but the page is only a (pointless) disambiguation page. Thank you. Matrexpingvin (talk) 14:24, June 14, 2019 (UTC)

Re: "Sentinel XS"[]

Actually, I was being a dumb dumb. This was already mentioned in Trivia on that page. Woops... Pizzahut16 (talk) 17:48, June 27, 2019 (UTC)

Section stubs[]

The images within the modifications table are not mandatory. They are not part of the MoS and are not a requirement, merely a bonus to an article. Please stop adding vehicles to the section stub category for this sole reason. It's clogging up the category, meaning we can't see the vehicle articles which are actually deprived of useful information. Monk Talk 17:31, July 7, 2019 (UTC)

Pretty late to see it as an issue, but fine. I should not add these on the next batch. --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Dispatch Data Files 18:57, July 7, 2019 (UTC)
Furthermore, I should also come to tell you to not add the "Image" column. Leave it to us to decide instead of dropping a trail of blanks to fill. That's how it was at the beginning, isn't it? NoirlimeTalk | Contribs
If that is what you think, then go ahead. At least the tables look more organized than before, so not everything is lost. --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Dispatch Data Files 21:28, July 13, 2019 (UTC)

Doomsday Heist Reverted Edit[]

Hey, Admin I was wondering why you undid my Doomsday Heist edit? The pages needs more photos, so I'm confused on why mine was removed. Thanks in advance! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Seddielover12 (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Cheng's Translator picture[]

Screenshot 20190720-141459 Gallery

Can this photo be added to the translator in a "2019." Photo, like with Tao Cheng? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anomynusguy101 (talkcontribs) Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Didn't you read your talk page? Name your image properly. kamikatsu_ Talk 17:41, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
On a further note, the images up right now are temps and will be replaced when the update releases. NoirlimeTalk | Contribs

Hey man[]

Hey Cam, can I ask you something? HTT (talk) 12:24, August 3, 2019

Hola Camilo.

Selling cars[]

I have created a page on selling cars in GTA 5 Online, and in less than 10 minutes, its content has been bleached by user:Monkeypolice188 and deleted by you...

As I said to Monkeypolice188, it is missing on this wiki and even if it is not perfect, it is clearly not a sandbox or some vandalism.

IS this wiki a private place where only some can edit?

Regards, Syntax Terror 21:30, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

RE: Selling cars[]

Maybe because there is already an article covering the selling prices for the cars. That's why it is deemed a "duplicate". --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Dispatch Data Files 21:35, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

Template:Notif then maybe it would be good to at least explain this in the edit résumé box... And try to see if the information is up to date on Los Santos Customs/Vehicle Prices, cos it's clearly not the case (eg. gang cars).
A copy of this page is in one of my user subpages, feel free to use it, I don't feel like contributing to this wiki anymore for the moment.
Adios, Şÿℵדαχ₮ɘɼɾ๏ʁ 21:44, August 12, 2019 (UTC)

Performance sections[]

It has come to my attention that you're basing your performance descriptions of the latest DLC vehicles on videos about them. Please don't do this. It's not exactly the best way to analyze how a car performs, given you can't feel it for yourself. If you don't play the game, don't bother with descriptions you can't see. Monk Talk 18:54, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Fandom would like to connect you with 2K[]

Hi Camilo Flores,

Fandom is currently talking to 2K Games about how we could possibly collaborate more closely with each other.

The developer would like to connect with some of the top admins of this wiki, so they may want to talk to you about news and game updates that might be interesting for the wiki's community. Would you be okay with Fandom passing on your e-mail address (the one you have associated with your Fandom account) to them, so they can reach out to you directly?

Please let me know! Mira Laime (help forum | blog) 23:41, August 26, 2019 (UTC)

Discord[]

May I ask why you deleted your Discord account? JohnSignature 19:57, August 30, 2019 (UTC)

Demotion proposal[]

There is an ongoing Demotion proposal at GTA Wiki: Community Noticeboard. Please vote when possible. Thank you. Monk Talk 19:48, September 19, 2019 (UTC)

Moved to GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion. Ultimate94ninja talk · contribs 20:14, September 19, 2019 (UTC)



Possible error on talk page[]

Hey, I wasn't sure where to leave a message or to who for that matter but there's what I believe to be an error on a page that I can't edit (https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/GTA_Wiki:Community_split). The links on this page for grandtheftwiki send people to the home page of GTA Wiki instead of the home page for GrandTheftWiki, now I don't know if this was intentional or not but I just thought it best to let an admin like yourself know. Best wishes :)

Wolfguy12345 (talk) 05:59, September 26, 2019 (UTC)

EveryCafe44[]

Banning my friend EveryCafe44. So my friend never knew how to do the whole " Media Policy " stuff and had no idea how to do it. All he did was get screenshots of characters and etc and you and other mods delete them for no reason? That makes no sense. The least you could do is move them with the right images. Please unban him thanks TheCombineGuard (talk) 03:38, November 19, 2019 (UTC)TheCombineGuard

Firstly, we didn't banned him, we just blocked him for a month. Secondly, we sent a message to his talk page showing how to follow the Media Policy and how to name the files properly, and he kept ignoring it. kamikatsu_ Talk 04:14, November 19, 2019 (UTC)

Bottle vs Broken Bottle[]

Have you checked whether this is Original vs Enhanced version change? I'm 99% certain what is now called Bottle in the enhanced version was called Broken Bottle when originally released in game and is probably still called that on the PS3/XB360 versions (we would need to fire it up and check though). Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 03:46, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I just checked my PS3, then checked the patch notes (which back then had nothing on the DLC contents) and also looked at the original GTASeries Video on the DLC page - the bottle appears in AmmuNation at 9:19 and is clearly just called "Bottle". Weird. As far as I can tell, no-one has ever tried to change it in the article before now either, apart from the redirect page being created in October 2014. Well done for spotting this. Smurfy: illuminate - communicate - spectate 11:39, November 22, 2019 (UTC)

Coil[]

I have made an editing mistake on the coil page. I would like to apologize for this incident and Wiltruden to avoid something like this in the future.

Swagdogg39

Unnecessary Weapon Changes![]

Was it really needed to change all that info on the Assault Rifles page? He put a ton of work into those weapon descriptions and you just come along and delete a ton of it. I fear you're going to do the same for all the other weapons in the series as well. ExodusBF4 (talk) 21:21, December 7, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4


Since when did ninja change all that irl weapon info on their pages? I guess it's ok to remove it since i think this place has a no IRL weapon/vehicle policy like the cod wiki does, but that's just me assuming things. like it's fine, but it just seems odd, considering those detailed weapon descriptions were true ExodusBF4 (talk) 23:09, December 7, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4


Alright, i understand. I'm a little upset about it, but whatever. Thanks for clearing that up with me. ExodusBF4 (talk) 02:57, December 8, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

Attachments[]

I noticed you have been adding 3D models/icons of attachments for all the guns in GTA V. That is really cool! Keep up the work bro, those things look very clean and nice! ExodusBF4 (talk) 04:15, December 21, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

GTA SA PS3 Thermal Vision/ Night Vision glitch?[]

I noticed that on the Playstation 3 "remastered" version of GTA San Andreas (the horrible mobile port that was added to consoles like 6 years ago), the "Prostitutes pay Carl instead of taking Carl's money" cheat, for some odd reason, also gives the player a Minigun, and the Thermal Vison goggles, and if you imput the cheat again, you get more minigun ammo, and then the night vision goggles. Inputting the cheat over and over just keeps switiching back and forth between the two types of goggles. Thus, i wanted to know if i should include this in the cheats trivia of GTA SA (this page), and also, should i include it on the pages of the thermal goggles/ night vision goggles? I've never seen this on the classic PS2 version back in the day, but then again, i haven't played that version in...6+ years, so i might be wrong. Maybe this is some very odd exclusive feature, a bug/glitch or just some random oversight? I'm rather confused about this, but i thought i should ask anyways. I've known about this for a while now, but i didn't know when was a good time to ask. ExodusBF4 (talk) 04:59, December 25, 2019 (UTC)ExodusBF4

Casino Heist Page[]

Hi, Cam. You did a good job creating the Casino Heist page, it's a great start. However, I thing it should be split into three article for the approaches. I've played through the heist quite a few times now and I can tell you, there is more than enough differences and info to justify it being split. I propose we keep it as is for now, but just split the article's contents when we get around to filling it in. Matrexpingvin (talk) 01:15, December 27, 2019 (UTC)

Discord[]

Hey, Cam. Have you thought about coming back to Discord? I think it would be nice having you there and I'm sure no-one would mind if you returned. It would also mean faster communication between regular contributors to the wiki, and staff. No problem if you do not wish to return, but maybe consider it? :) Matrexpingvin (talk) 21:25, January 14, 2020 (UTC)

Deconstruction[]

Sorry Cam. I didn't know that CelticDragon0 (talk) 17:09, February 10, 2020 (UTC)


Question[]

Why did you delete the Liberty City, It's Over! Page? --StaleGuy22 (talk) 06:00, March 29, 2020 (UTC)

An experiment to help grow your wiki’s engagement![]

Hello! We’ve been analyzing what makes people spend more time on wikis and we’ve identified something. It’s comments! Having comments enabled on a wiki gives it a boost to the time people spend on the pages and engage with the wiki.

We would like to enable comments on your wiki to help it grow as part of an experiment.

This will not happen if you don’t agree with trying this out! It’s entirely up to you!

We believe that this experiment will help your wiki and if you have any problems along the way we can always roll back and disable comments.

So, what do you think? Are you interested in trying this with us? We’d love to work with you to help grow your community!

Looking forward to hearing from you! HeyTots (talk) 18:10, April 17, 2020 (UTC)

Walkthrough images with GTA Online weapons[]

Hi Cam, I got your message. I know that I was using weapons from GTA Online, but for the record, if somebody sees the image and wonders how they can get it in GTA V, why can't anybody tell them that the only way they get it in single player is with a mod or trainer? HTT (talk) 20:21, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

No. We do not allow any text, images, or videos relating to trainers or other mods on this Wiki. This is not the first time you've been notified not to upload walkthrough images with modded vehicles/weapons. Matrexpingvin (talk) 22:05, May 17, 2020 (UTC)

A Question[]

If a statement made on a page's only proof is obvious if one has seen a specific film, and someone adds information that clarifies the proof to people who haven't seen that film, should it be removed or should it be allowed to stay? I added such information to a page, but it was removed with the only justification being the completely false statement that it's obvious. It's not obvious if you haven't seen said film, and in fact is completely missable.~Shigeharu (talk) 00:45, June 2, 2020 (UTC)

Suggestion[]

I would like to see what would Liberty City HD look like in 1982 please Josephmarkus2002 01:17, July 23, 2020 (UTC)

Someone Deleted a Legit Page[]

Why did you delete my page?

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Alleged spamming of Kiwismurf's talk page[]

 Before you read  the following 2 paragraphs, I want you to know that I am a patient user; the first time I ever posted a question in his talk page, I did not get any response for a week. AND I did not ask him why he did not reply to me the whole time until after one week. In fact, he himself apologized afterwards in my own talk page. So don't worry about my patience.
Now, before you accuse me of spamming, can you actually analyze the amount of time I have been waiting since my second edit on his talk page? That is not typical of him. The most anybody has ever waited for him were 2 days. THE MOST. Usually though, it doesn't take longer than 12 hours considering the time differences in some parts of the world, since he lives in New Zealand. I am a genuine fan of GTA series and like editing here in GTA wiki; I can't tolerate not being taken seriously or as childish.
 I am sure Kiwismurf did not mean any of that. That is why I asked him a couple of times whether he was sick or not getting any notifications from my edits. I thought that if he were not sick, perhaps he was not getting any notificatios because I posted my 2nd and 3rd edits under the same subject/headline. So, I decided to create a new headline and post my 4th edit there just to make sure he was indeed getiing notifications from my edits.  At this point, of course, I will not add any more edits since it would indeed be pointless if he doesn't reply for that long. Again, I am sure Kiwismurf did not mean any disrespect towards me. Perhaps has some problems(got sick, somebody died, or is just too busy recently, etc.). I'll wait. But if I find out in the future that the reason that he doesn't reply to me is pure ignorance, I certainly won't appreciate it.
Also, what made you think that the topic is dead? Are you 100% sure you carefully read my second edit?  Sharia Rebirth (talk) 21:11, August 1, 2020 (UTC)

Important information about your former Admin[]

Hello,

I am Sasquatch101 the founder and Beauracrat of the GTA Myths Wiki. One of my staff have revealed to me that your former Admin User:Thomas0802 was involved in an off site voter fraud group that also held extreme racist and anti semitic beliefs. He partook in rigging numerous votes on the GTA Myth Wiki and conspired to replace most of the staff with members of his hate group. I suggest you ban him on your site out of principle and caution in case he resurfaces. Please feel free to contact me if you want to discuss this further.--Sasquatch101 (talk) 22:54, August 4, 2020 (UTC)

"Clenup" on the FIB page[]

Hello, Why did u remove the 3D universe content of the FIB page? The FBI agents were renamed to FIB in the 10th aniverary editions of GTA III and GTA LCS NalexandruN (talk) 06:50, August 9, 2020 (UTC)

So anyways (please) don't the 3D universe content of the FIB page on the FBI page

Thanks 4 your response, btw Dave Norton's car was fixed but User:Noirlime4L reverted my edit

Perennial[]

Why? Sharia Rebirth (talk) 21:20, August 26, 2020 (UTC)


Got it, thanks. Sharia Rebirth (talk) 11:23, August 27, 2020 (UTC)

Toreador#Locations[]

"It is classed as a Small Aircraft inside the Hangar."

This doesn't seem to be right, can you check this and correct it if needed? (I don't own the vehicle so no idea what it should be). HallonRubus (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Infobox character issue[]

Hello could you look at the locked template and fix this? I'm trying to fix all the errors related to Category:Pages using duplicate arguments in template calls, but since its locked, I can't do it. Thanks

Qoushik (talk) 16:56, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Sentinel[]

It does have a capacity of 4 in the HD universe, at least in GTA V. Check the vehicle data. Blissful690 (talk) 21:47, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Bradley Whitford[]

IMDb is not a reliable source. Cassidy sounds absolutely nothing like Whitford and Carrington doesn't even have any voice lines in LCS. He's also not listed in the credits for the game. Since Bradley Whitford does not appear in any GTA games, he is not relevant to the GTA franchise, and his page should not exist. SuperAusten64 (talk) 00:50, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

User with unacceptable username[]

CockstarGames1998 has a rather inappropriate username, don't you think? You should block their account, but please remember to disable autoblock and don't disable their account creation. Their edits seem to be good faith and please tell them to create a new account with a more appropriate username if they want to edit here. Andy A. (Talk · Edits) 23:10, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Jesco White[]

What was wrong with my edit regarding information the description of Jesco White? I took my time to look at my gta 5 story mode for that info and you remove it anyway when I know my info that I put is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gta55555555555555555555555 (talkcontribs) 19:16, 1 July 2021 (UTC)‎ Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Not trivial. He is marked as a blue dot in the map like any other Soapboxers in the game. kamikatsu_ (Talk) 19:35, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

You don't know what you're talking about[]

Mate. Please, for the love of god, DON'T CHANGE THE TAILGATER S's performance synopsis cuz 1) It's not a fucking RWD as you all said and why the bloody Jesus hell did you guys keep reverting what I typed when you guys are clearly wrong and 2) Revert to 1st point and 3) do you even know how a vehicle works?

Like, why even bother at this point? Have you even tried it in game when you flip it over and all 4 wheels are spinning when you press on the accelerator instead of only 2 rear wheels? By the looks of it, no you don't and thank you SOOO much for your useless contributions in spreading fake information right now when this is supposed to help someone who wants/needs it.

"RWD" my fucking ass. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jerome.slapsyourface (talkcontribs) 2021-07-27T15:03:55 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Edits[]

Is there something wrong with my edits?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElijahBuena (talkcontribs) 29/08/2021 Please remember to sign your talk page messages with ~~~~.

Are you retarded?[]

Any reason youre removing 700 word edits for childish rewrites? Clearly pandering to admin buddies and not caring about the content and quality of the Wiki. Rockstarleopard (talk) 20:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Where is the evidence Claude was trying to intimidate anyone?[]

He was just standing and watching the argument with Catalina. You are making unproven claims! Wfank (talk) 16:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

I also addressed the issue on Discord helpdesk. Please understand there is no evidence of Claude trying to intimidate or making someone uncomfortable "by his presence", thats just made up unsupported statement based on personal belief. Wfank (talk) 17:26, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for addressing the issue at discord, and I apologies for writing all upper case on my edit summary. Anyway best wishes, you are a great editor. Wfank (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I am Fandom's new Senior Community Manager for Gaming[]

Hello there! My name is Jieyang and I'm going around saying hi to admins in the community. I joined about two weeks ago but you'll be seeing me around more in the future. It's been... a wild last two weeks for the GTA community but at the end of the day I'm looking forward to the next game more than ever!

You can learn more about me through my blog. Feel free to drop me a message on Discord as well! - Itsjieyang (talk) 18:29, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Just Checking In[]

Heya Cam, just checking on your Talk Page since it seems you're no longer in the Wiki Discord, and are unable to be DMed. Hope everything is well! Office-HUDIcon-GTAO BolbiiS Office-HUDIcon-GTAO (Talk ~ Edits) 17:50, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Hi[]

I am a console only player, so please do weapons overview on the akula and the smuggler’s run planes next! Eurybia ball (talk) 07:25, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Just to let you know, the Aircraft dual machine guns operated by the pilot appear to have 40% slower fire rate than in the files. i don't know what causes it, could it be something that modifies the fire rate or is it a difference in the PC version? - Eurybia ball (talk) 23:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Community Noticeboard vote regarding Vehicle Design descriptions[]

Hey Cam, I hope you're doing well. I just wanted to let you know, in case you don't see it, that we currently have Community Noticeboard vote regarding vehicle page Design descriptions. Since you've been the one to write these most of the time, I want you to be able to give your opinion on the issue. The link to the Vote can be found here. Again, hope you're doing well :) BolbiiS (Profile ~ Talk ~ Edits) 10:43, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Edit warring[]

I'm not sure why you're constantly reinstating superfulous information that I had previously reinstated, especially considering it has been voted and agreed upon by the community to reduce this to the most important and relevant info (which I noticed you not only completely ignored, but instead chose to DM Bolbiis about on Discord). The discussion was there to be had but you just chose to edit war with me. I've given up trying now, because you've chosen to make this some kind of personal vendetta when really it was simply about making articles easier on the eyes and removing the kind of content nobody needs (most people have eyes and can see what a car looks like, it doesn't need describing to them). Monky Talk 12:09, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Continued Edit Warring[]

Hi Cam. Please cease edit warring over vehicle design descriptions, as this is being done per the Community Noticeboard vote. If you have an issue with this, please bring it up on the CNB or feel free to message myself or another staff member. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:44, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

Vehicle edit warring (again...)[]

? As previously discussed and decided on at the CnB, this kind of description fit the "overzealous" descriptions described in my proposal. In my previous edit (which you disregarded with a concealed revert), I trimmed back the description to include things you *can't* see in images; the underside description (chassis and suspension setup), the interior (mimimalistic approach), shared assets (wheels, interior assets, etc) and the paint scheme. Which, with the exception of the chassis description, were all things you had already included. What I subtracted was describing things like: light placement, bodylines, badges, "long bed" (seriously?), etc. All things that the image clearly shows and really doesn't need describing to somebody. Unless you're making comparisons to real life potential influences, why do you think this stuff is necessary? Even Wikpedia doesn't go that far.

I won't even get onto the fact that you didn't even try to hide the fact it was a revert (I made other fixes, too, including additional template/infobox data, removing the UC header, adding an images template, etc). But you have yet to actually 1) respond to my previous messages or 2) cast your thoughts on the CnB (which, although the vote has closed on, you're still very welcome to comment on). Monky Talk 13:30, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

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