User talk:Goblinthegnome

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Hi, welcome to GTA Wiki. Thanks for contributing to the Vinewood Boulevard Radio page, and for taking interest in the wiki. Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything, or as alternatives, leave a post on a forum, or refer to the Help pages. The Tom (talk) 09:24, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Songs

From what source do you get the info that these songs are confirmed to be in next-gen GTA V? Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 04:40, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

The songs were heard in leaked PS4 livestreams and seen on the radio screens in the new first person vehicle interior view. There are also some songs revealed by CVG/GTA V 'O Clock, who have played the next-gen version already. I right now have a thread on the GTA Forums that has holds a database of songs confirmed to be in the game http://gtaforums.com/topic/704276-songs-you-would-want-in-a-radio-station-dlc-or-in-next-genpc/page-1 . I have seen screenshots from the livestream showing the new songs on the radio and have other members who have seen the livestreams to verify the songs. Obviously, since it was a leak, the video source itself has been taken down, but these songs have been verified by those who have seen the livestream itself. I understand if you don't believe that these songs aren't legit, but if it's standard wiki protocol, then fine, I'll withhold the songs until they are officially revealed. Goblinthegnome (talk) 05:06, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Warning

You have been warned for violating the Policy. If you repeat your actions, you will be issued with a block.

The reason given is: Posting leaked content

Leo68 (talk) 04:22, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Leaked content is forbidden on the GTA Wiki. Posting it goes against policy, and policy violations will result in a block. Leo68 (talk) 04:22, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Alright. It's understandable. Goblinthegnome (talk) 04:32, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for being understanding. We are known to Rockstar so we try to keep on side of them. Leaked content is just one of those things. Leo68 (talk) 04:36, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Non-Stop-Pop

With regards to the year a song is released, myself and Sean discussed this recently. The song's year of release is determined by the date it is first released in any format, be that as an album or a single. With regards to "Send Me an Angel", it was originally released in 1983 before being re-released in 1989, so it is considered to be a 1983 song. I hope this clears everything up. Sam ^Talk 00:48, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Just to further clarify - the date given to a song should reflect its official (p) publication and (c) copyright information. Since many songs were released in different years in different parts of the world, release date is terribly unreliable and can lead to uneccessary disputes (e.g. "well it was released in Australia 2 years before it broke globally" etc). It is most commonly an issue with album tracks that are released as singles quite some time after the album ispublished. In cases where the version used in the game is a re-release that was identifiably different (i.e. in mixing or arrangement) to the originally published version, then that date of release can also be quoted. smurfy ^(coms) 00:58, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

I'll need to re-listen to the in-game version of Send Me an Angel but I think it is the '83 original. The version from 1989 is actually officially titled Send Me An Angel '89 which is not shown in game. It could be the 1988 remix which I don't have a physical or digital copy of (I do have the original and '89 version and the 12" vinyl of the '89).   smurfy ^(coms) 01:11, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, okay. I thought that it was the '89 version because it was in a youtube video with all the other songs in the enhanced NSP playlist, and that the video also included the intros for the new songs, so I assumed that it was that specific version since it was included in there. BTW, I don't own the enhanced versions (just only 360), so I can't really verify what version it is. Apologies if it created some issue of sorts. Goblinthegnome (talk) 01:26, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

The versions are pretty distinct - the chorus of the original features a very noticeable synth "clap" which wasn't in the '89 single (but was still in some of the remixes of the '89 version). Once I hear it I'll be able to ID it. And no problem/issue, just want to help get the facts verified. smurfy ^(coms) 01:45, May 15, 2015 (UTC)

Radio Broker page

Oh, I only look at the infobox, but did not look at the song pages, which is why I undone your edit. Sorry about this. MC (MyComputer) 04:35, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Nah man it's all good. Radio Broker is meant to emulate the indie rock and dance-punk scene in Brooklyn, and DFA is a major label in that scene, so they're both related. Goblinthegnome (talk) 04:45, May 28, 2015 (UTC)

Failed leaks

Should not be celebrated. FYI, as a software engineer, I can tell you that future content can be "in the files" long before they are scheduled to be released by the vendor. I'm sure Rockstar have had an update roadmap that is at least six months ahead at all times, so data being added to a game file is no guarantee it will be released in the next update and there have been numerous examples of the leakers getting it wrong on that basis. smurfy ^(coms) 05:03, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah I got what you're saying, but with respect to what you have to say, the Flare Gun was indeed found in its files after the update. Its weapon icon and render were discovered, probably suggesting that it was meant to be part of it. Also, that info was already noted on its own wiki page. I'm just only trying to add relevant trivia that no one else has brought up before http://gta.wikia.com/Flare_Gun --Goblinthegnome (talk) 05:13, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

I say again, in case you don't get it, when the developers chose to add the files has no bearing on when it is "supposed to be" released. I did it myself this week when I relesed an updated version of a tool to one of my customers to add a feature they wanted, there is unreleased code in there for my next version release that is not "live" for them yet. Doesn't mean that feature was supposed to be released in this week's update version. I don't doubt that files for the Hydra existed in some game files from day 1 release and some specific files were added around the time of the Flight School update (along with the flare gun data) which misled some leakers to believe they would be released in that update. They were wrong. 05:57, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

You actually do have a strong valid point about that, so you're probably right. Sorry if I'm acting like a persistent a-hole, lol. Now we have to continue with the Humble Pie thing in the other one Goblinthegnome (talk) 07:05, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Credits vs percieved song versions

The credits list the song that Rockstar have paid the licence for. Getting that wrong can cost them. IF we think a version is different to the one credited, then we should note that in the trivia, not the other way around. smurfy ^(coms) 05:03, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

That song was indeed by Humble Pie, but for some weird reason Rockstar decided to only credit Steve Marriott's solo project. Credits aren't really that reliable sometimes. Hell, even in GTA IV they credited "I Wanna Be Your Dog" soley to Iggy Pop instead of The Stooges. Other examples of incorrect credits, specifically in the credits of GTA V, also included Smokey Robinson & The Miracles with "Cruisin'", and Steve Miller Band with "Take the Money and Run". I think Rockstar should've been in trouble by now since the credits still give "Cruisin'" to The Miracles and "Take the Money and Run" to the Steve Miller Band, which is actually a cut song and not "Rock'n Me" instead. I got some links to some other sites that do credit and archive Humble Pie with Cocaine since it was released in their Scrubbers Session album that consisted of recordings by that band from 1974-1975 with the intent of making an album out of it during that time. --Goblinthegnome (talk) 05:30, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Yes and no. I know R* have made mistakes in credits files previously, but that doesn't mean we can assume these are mistakes until proved. Re a couple of your examples...

• Dog was never released as a Stooges single, only as an album cut. It HAS been released as a solo Iggy single. I haven't checked which version was actually used in GTA IV
• The Scrubbers Sessions were not Humble Pie recordings, unless the line-up of Humble Pie was about to be drastically altered by Marriott without the knowledge of the rest of the band. The Steve Marriotts Scrubbers record from 1996 that is credited, actually seems more of a Tim Hinkley invention based on the Scrubbers sessions that he played on and co-wrote and produced in '74 than an official Marriott project and he was just cashing in 2 years after Steve died. It sounds like the Scrubbers session version rather than the Humble Pie release to me.

Cheers smurfy ^(coms) 05:57, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

First of all, the "I Wanna Be Your Dog" single released by Iggy Pop is actually a 7 min. Extended Psych Version of The Stooges song that was released in the 70s, and the one played in-game is the recording from their 1969 album, but shortens out the sleigh bell ending for time constraints. And for me personally, the Humble Pie recording, the one I currently have, from the 1996 Scrubbers Session release sounds exactly like the one in-game. If anything I really honestly don't want to create an issue with another user or a moderator, like seriously I don't want this to go downhill at all. (Goblinthegnome (talk) 07:28, July 4, 2015 (UTC))

We are discussing this precisely the way it should be discussed and I haven't seen anything from you that I would consider uncivil debate, exactly the opposite in fact. I can't speak for any others but I have no problem with you expressing your viewpoint and being willing to argue your point(s) constructively which I think you do well. I know I'm not always right and have no problem being corrected as long as it is done with evidence to back it up.

I'll defer to your knowledge of the Iggy Pop song as it's not something I have in my collection and I don't want to have to listen to it too many times (not a fan at all).

As far as Cocaine, the 1996 record was a re-release (I don't think anything was changed in terms of arrangements or mixing) of the 1974 original session recordings. As far as I know, the '99 release of the same session material was done by Marriott (was it credited as Humble Pie? I haven't checked), which is why I was considering the 1996 version a Tim Hinkley release. In all likelihood, the '96 and '99 versions probably sound the same but it's the 2006 one that R* have credited (i.e. the one they paid a licence to use) so it's what we should be citing on the page. smurfy ^(coms) 07:52, July 4, 2015 (UTC)

Above edited for dates - multitasking badly while watching sport and eating dinner - I though you meant you had this version which is credited to Humble Pie. smurfy ^(coms) 07:59, July 4, 2015 (UTC)