Talk: McJeff

If you leave a message on my talk page, I will respond here. If I leave you a message on your talk page, please respond there. I just like to keep conversations in one place so I don't have to switch pages to follow them.

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Retirement

Old man, you're retiring?! :o

Thank you for all those months (years?) of helping and leading this community!

Good luck with whatever you'll choose to do next!

-- ILan (XD • Edits • Home ) 07:48, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Jeff, you're retiring? :( I can not find words to thank you because you have chosen to promote me. This took me by surprise, as I haven't been active in the last couple of months, due to learning for the important exams I'll take this year. I hope you won't leave the wiki definetely. Thanks again. Cheers. Dodo8 ^Talk 08:17, April 3, 2014 (UTC)

Farewell

Hey Jeff I just noticed that you resigned from b'crat. You were always a fair guy and kept the wiki running right. I respect your selfless decision to step down and hope you will still be present around the wiki. Sasquatch101 (talk) 04:16, April 7, 2014 (UTC)

Promotion

Hey Jeff. Could you vote on my request at GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion. Thank you. Sasquatch101 (talk) 22:21, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Honest Opinion

I completely agree, I was going to remove it initially but Sasquatch is taking everything I do at the moment as a personal attack so I was trying to find some middle ground. He has this idea that I hate him, which isn't true, I just don't like the way he went about trying to get promoted, or the way he reacted to my opinions on that.

I didn't know Boomer had done this before, that changes things. Did you see his reason for initially giving a no to Smashbro's request for promotion? Because Smashbro is a Saints Row fan. Anyway, I'll give him a warning and see how he reacts. This whole extra admin thing started because the more inexperienced users had never had to deal with a vandal before. I can't get over the fact that they voted yes to Sasquatch's request for promotion - which I removed - just because he's in America and said he could be active at that time. Being in a certain timezone is not a valid reason to be promoted, as I'm sure you'll agree. They can't seem to accept that being able to block a user will only stop a persistent vandal for a minute while they get a new account. Going to Wikia - which they ended up doing - is exactly what we end up doing anyway.

Thanks for giving your opinion mate, it's always valued. Tom ^Talk 09:29, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

No problem, I had no idea that that was even possible. Tom ^Talk 17:25, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Alright, cheers. How exactly does it work? Like, how does it tell if a user is a vandal? Tom ^Talk 18:18, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

If I explained in public, he might figure out a way around it. If you've got email I can explain that way. Jeff (talk·stalk) 19:38, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sent. Jeff (talk·stalk) 20:35, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Sasquatch's Block

I know you and me have had our differences but you must agree that an infinite block for Sasquatch is absolutely insane. He was a great editor here and just because of one run in with Tom should never warrant that. I just can't come to understand how he can get the same punishment as a vandal. Boomer8 (talk) 02:20, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

The only thing Tom did differently than I would have is I'd have only blocked Sasquatch for 2 weeks initially instead of for a month. Sasquatch received two blocks during the incident with Dodo8 for personal attacks and incivility, this was his third offense and it was a severe one.

I keep explaining that when it comes to malicious behavior, I don't care as much about the words used so much as about the intent. In intent, Sasquatch's behavior on GTA Myths Wiki was every bit as bad as the vandal's behavior on this wiki.

I'm aware that you have always supported Sasquatch uncritically (you were the only person to vote 'yes' on him in the administrator election) and that you're probably incapable of viewing this situation objectively, so I won't be discussing it any further.

Lastly, I'm not staff here anymore. I only came back to try to get Wikia to set up the abuse filters. If you really think Tom was that abusive and out of line, take it to Messi or Ilan, not me. Even if I completely agreed with you, I wouldn't be able to help. Jeff (talk·stalk) 03:12, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Boomer

I think he just needs to cool off and try and look at everything objectively. Tom ^Talk 09:00, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

RE: Abuse Filters

Great, thanks for that. 

I completely agree with that block, his resignation rant was the last straw. Him resigning has probably just saved me having to go through the demotion process again, he's completely out of line. He might believe that all he's doing is sticking up for the little man but his language makes it an attack, his ignorant and compeltely biased rants against us were just ridiculous. 

I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for everything mate. Tom ^Talk 16:35, May 6, 2014 (UTC)

I Apologize

Hey McJeff. I apologize for all that. I was actually just inviting him to my wiki (Wii Wiki) because I didn't want to cause trouble on the wiki. That's why I'm not really hesitating to tell The Tom about what Sasquatch wants him to do for him. I've read the policies and I won't do it again.  () 19:12, May 7, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Grand Theft Wiki

We had a discussion about them few months ago, but I've just found that one administrator of the GTW, IanPhoenix, is plagiarizing content. He is copying tons of pages from us and creating the plagiarized pages on GTW. He has been doing this for a good time and nobody noticed it. He has not been recently promoted so as an admin of their website he needs to know that both sites have history and this kind of conversation of plagiarizing content and other rivalry issues between both wikis was controlled and organized a long time ago. As an administrator of our site, I would try to figure out things with him, calmly. But as you're the most ideal person to handle with it, and in case if you need to contact Gboyers (if he's still living) again, I came to you with the problem. Thanks. --Thomas0802 • (talk • edits) 16:49, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Grand Theft Wiki is 98% dead. I don't like it, but I don't see that it's doing enough harm to be worth the hassle trying to make them stop. Jeff (talk·stalk) 19:17, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Sure they are dead. To be honest, I liked the fact that he gives at least the source of the article, the GTA Wiki. But it would sound a little bit unsatisfied after the users here work hard to write an article and the guys at GTW just have to do that simple copy-and-paste job. Well, I don't have nothing against it, but I think some users here would have. Anyway, there's really no harm. --Thomas0802 • (talk • edits) 20:13, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

RE:

Seen it. I've protected Sasquatch's talk page here, and I'll keep an eye on that Brandon-guy's edits. As it is currently midnight here in Israel, I'll join this discussion first thing in morning. -- ILan (XD • Edits • Home ) 19:55, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

RE:

I've warned him and he seems to have stopped, I figured something happened between him and Sasquatch, but to me he just seems like a new user who has no idea what he's doing. Tom ^Talk 21:25, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

RE: 3 Things

They're both blocked. 187 videos... You don't happen to know of a mass deletion tool do you? 

A Myths Wiki admin complained about Sasquatch to me, so I'll see if that issue is resolved before unblocking him. 

Thanks for letting me know. Tom ^Talk 16:38, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

I Need Your Opinion

Hey McJeff. Can you answer this question I have? It is okay on Wikia for other users to make fun of and laugh (joking or not joking) of users? Would that be considered cyberbulling? I asked you because I feel you would know the answer and you are a very wise person when it comes to Wikia and how it works. Thanks!  () 00:19, June 10, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

It's probably not okay, but you'll have to give me more information about what's going on before I can really answer. Who's saying what about who? Jeff (talk·stalk) 01:05, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

It's not here. It's on another wiki that I'm a rollback on and this user and another user who joined cyberbullied me, and one admin believed it was okay for them to "troll" and make fun of me.  () 02:17, June 10, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

If an administrator of another wiki is openly encouraging other users to mistreat you, the thing to do is use Special:Contact on THAT wiki and explain to Wikia Staff. If you'd tell me which wiki and what happened, I might be able to give better advice.

The thing is, Wikia doesn't usually get involved when the problem with a wiki is incivility/"cyberbullying" by staff or general incompetence on the part of a wiki's staff. There's a couple wikis on Wikia that I would contribute to but don't because of unpleasant staff. It's just the way Wikia is. Jeff (talk·stalk) 03:52, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

So honestly, say a staff member on any of the wikis you edit on, including here, gets insulted by a regular user or group of users and the admins think it is funny. How would you handle that situation cause that's what I had to put up with on another wiki that I'm a rollback user on.  () 04:18, June 10, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

I've asked twice for you to tell me which wiki this is taking place on. Jeff (talk·stalk) 15:54, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Oh I'm so sorry! I didn't notice you were asking me that. It's on the Watch Dogs Wiki. I was cyber bullied or made fun of on a chat though.  () 16:02, June 10, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

In chat? That makes it tougher to deal with because if it's on the wiki, you can prove it via 'difs' and complain to Community Central.

If you don't have proof, the only thing you can do is tell a bureaucrat and hope he listens. Jeff (talk·stalk) 16:10, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

That's the problem. The bureaucrats were in the chat, and one of them found it funny that these two users were making fun of me when they should have been blocked. Plus, they disrespected me, and other staff and users.  () 16:24, June 10, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Well, I'm sorry I can't give you an answer that doesn't suck, but if that's the situation there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. I suggest not editing on that wiki anymore. Remember that someone being a bureaucrat doesn't automatically mean they know what they're doing - any newb with an idea for a new wiki can become a bureaucrat and some of them don't know how to edit or treat their users right. Jeff (talk·stalk) 16:49, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Don't feel bad. I really appreciate you helping me out with the situation. Best thing to do is to forget it and just do what I have to do there as a rollback. Thanks a lot for your help McJeff! See you around soon!  () 16:53, June 10, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Stepping Down?

Any reason why you're stepping down as Bureaucrat? Had no idea. Leon Davis (talk) 04:25, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

It's all on my user page. Jeff (talk·stalk) 15:52, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Help

Hey McJeff. I need your help again, but it's not based on what happened last time. Recently on the Watch Dogs Wiki, I fought a vandal attack that was almost exactly like the one with Insidious, aka JoshuaLeverburg, on this wiki. I remembered that you and Wikia were trying to create these abuse filters to automatically block vandals so I have two questions. Do those filters still work on this wiki? Also, if so, is there a way to add them to the Watch Dogs Wiki? Thanks!  () 01:10, June 17, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8