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This noticeboard is for discussion and voting on changes to the wiki, reporting vandalism and wiki rule breaking, and reporting bad or unfair behaviour from GTA Wiki staff.
 
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Votes for the expiration of a Patroller's probation will also be held here.
   
 
For requests for promotion, please go to '''[[GTA Wiki:Requests for Promotion]]'''.
 
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We currently have a lot of staff so there will be no more Patroller requests for a while. Current Patrollers may request to be promoted to Admin status by voting on the Requests for Promotion Page.
 
   
 
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==Merge Compromise==
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Okay, this discussion again. I noticed a widespread split of several pages. Now, I can go off on one and say "It wasn't authorized" "This is a bad idea" blah, blah, blah. No, I do not want to deal with more fall out on this case. So, some vehicles, from what I've seen, have been unncessarily split. So I propose;
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*Keep Kuruma (Armored) as part of the variants on the Kuruma page.
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*Have a page for Baller LE, with armored in the variants section.
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*Have a page for Baller LWB, with armored in the variants section.
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*Have a page for Schafter LWB, with armored in the variants section.
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*Have a page for Schafter V12, with armored in the variants section.
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*Have a page for Schafter LWB, with armored in the variants section.
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*Have a page for Cognoscenti 55, with armored in the variants section.
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*Keep Cognoscenti (Armored) as part of the variants on the Cognoscenti page.
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These cars (upgraded/changed Schafter, Baller & Cog) do have different design and some have different performances, but having armor doesn't warrant its own page.
   
==Toning Down Obvious Trivial Points==
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The Buffalo S & Oracle XS have major differences so I can put my personal feelings to one side on this matter. Insurgent/9F/Rancher/Sentinel/Granger etc. can stay separate, because I know they're variants, but they have different performance, design and whatever else, so if it keeps the calm here, good, and if the Schafter is renamed, or the Baller or Cavalacade, then we'll split like we've done in the past. I just don't think there should be separate pages, jut because it has armor on it. The exception being Duke O'Death, because it has a different name, it's not just Dukes (Armored). Also, to close the matter on the Roosevelt Valor, if it comes out and has different performance, design and naming, that it should have its own page.
I been noticing some pages recently; when pages have Trivia, the trival points they have are so obvious that you can figure it out yourself rather than reading it. Most of the Trivias have points that are like "The sky is blue."  I been thinking: We get all the obvious trivial points and put them on their articles' sections. There is a policy on Wikipedia (and Wikia in general) where Trivia is not allowed, but it's rare to find one on a page because they have points possibly not known to others. I think the Trivia should be reserved for glitches, tips and unnoticed features in a GTA game, not for, "This is the first appearance of Mikhail Faustin." or "The car is unique to the mission".
 
 
[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 01:32, April 17, 2013 (UTC) 
 
 
I agree with using the Trivia section to point out interesting facts such as puns in names (p.e. [[R.C. Hole]]), continuity errors, hidden stuff...
 
 
However, cleaning up ALL of the Trivia sections in articles of this wiki would be hard, time-taking and, therefore non-effective.
 
 
What do you suggest we do, T?
 
 
[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:06, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
: I thought about something: We don't have to do it immediately. If we find a page with obvious trivia "facts", just remove them. Let's not start and GTA Wiki-wide clean-up. Just remove some points if we get time.
 
 
: [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 01:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::Maybe. What if we separed the articles into "Characters", "Vehicles", "Missions" and "Games" and distribute them by the GTA Wiki Staff?
 
::I think it could work...
 
::[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 09:29, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::Guys, read [[GTA Wiki:Trivia|our policy on Trivia]], which states that you should try and intergrate good trivia points into the article itself first. If there is no room for a trivia point in the article, then it goes on the trivia list. "The sky is blue" trivia points, where you state the obvious, such as "Mikhail is Russian" is discouraged and deleted. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:29, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::Go ahead and start a wiki wide clean up deleting all the "sky is blue" trivia points if you so wish. Be bold when editing :) [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:31, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::Ok, let's do this!
 
:::::[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:33, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Dealing with Vandals (For Staff and Current/New Users)==
 
When vandalism is going on, isn't it less necessary to confront the such users and tell them off, especially users with no staff ranks and that are patrollers? During the Joshualeverburg Incidents, staffs and non-staff confronted him and in result/retaliation, got their userspages vandalised, such as [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|M.K.]], [[User:Cloudkit01|Hi-Hi Puffy Bosco]], and [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|myself]]. The average contributors and patrollers should report to an admin/b'crat first rather than acting like an admin or if the admins are active during these incidents, block them immediately. To my sense, if you write to the vandals, telling them to stop, you're more than likely making them say, "What are you going to do about it?", "Ha, Ha" or "I'm going to piss the guy off". I just don't want those vandals coming back attacking the users who told them to stop.
 
 
[[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 01:07, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
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I agree. I also think that most admins and bureaucrats should be online as often as possible because if we remember back to the 22 case, there were no admins online and his vandalism went on for hours until [[User:Ilan xd|Ilan]] finally came on. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 21:01, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
I wasn't active during the Zombie22 Incidents, so I have little knowledge of that. Now that we have five admins, at least one of you guys should check the wiki a couple times a day and always check the Recent WIki Activity page.
 
[[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 21:10, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 
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:Read [[GTA Wiki:Vandalism]]. There is a section on how to deal with vandalism. If you come to the conclusion that you need to block a user for vandalism or any other incident, then read [[GTA Wiki:Blocking Policy]]. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:10, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Our '''Do not feed the trolls''' policy is important when dealing with vandals.
 
 
"Everytime we respond to those tryin to ruin the wiki, we are giving them what they want. The more we do that, the more they will be back for more. It's best to be calm, and limit contact with vandals. The less attention they get, the more likely they are to move on. Don't play games with the vandals as this makes it more fun for them."
 
 
See, those are words to live by :) [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:15, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:That was epic :) -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:04, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
Read and understood 'em. The "Do not feed the trolls" should be mentioned by any new/normal users should get that memo when they confront the vandal. Like my mom use to say, "Never care for a person if you have no idea of his or her intentions." The care part means anything that you do to the person good. bad or trying to stop his actions, i.e. vandalism. [[User:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|Mr. T.]] ([[User talk:Tony 4-2-8-1-9-9-8|talk]]) 06:31, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==Background==
 
Since there is new artworks for GTA V, is the GTA Wiki background going to change? [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:09, February 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
==With regards to Promotion==
 
Hey guys. When someone usually requests a promotion, the same reason keeps popping up time and time again. "I've been on this wiki for such and such time and have such and such edits"
 
 
Who agrees with me that this has never been a good reason to request promotion and who agrees that it should be stated on our promotion page? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 20:48, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:When I'm promoting someone, I'm most interested in the quality of their contributions, and after that their ability to get along with other users. Linking to work done on another wiki is fine, but saying "I'm a bureaucrat on somesuch wiki" alone doesn't impress me, because Wikia will let anyone found a wiki or adopt an abandoned wiki, and I've met a couple shockingly incompetent bureaucrats. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 23:04, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah quality of edits, if they've helped fight vandalism on the wiki, and their ability to get along with others is things I usually look for too. Not how long they have been editing here, how many edits they have, or even their status on another wiki. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 23:14, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
:::Edit count doesn't mean that much really, I know many users that do a full character biography in one edit, something like that is a lot more impressive than 100 seemingly unnecessary edits. But experience on another wiki, so long as that wiki is of a good quality and they have actually contributed significantly to it, does get taken into account in my eyes. The length of time someone has been around on the wiki doesn't matter to me, if there are big gaps in editing or there edits aren't significant that is. So yes, maybe mention these things on the requests for promotion page. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Featured Article section==
 
Featured articles are a common feature on almost most wikis. Does anyone think we should have a feature article section on this wiki? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:39, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I would love to see a featured article on the wiki. But I would only want it under the GTA games section; not replaceing it. Were "Rockstar Games Twitter" and "Helping Out" is would be a better place for it. I think a Featured Article would be much better than that. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 07:24, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah, same here! I would love having a Featured Article section. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:20, December 14, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::Anyone else have any opinions or comments on this? I wonder what Tom and Jeff think. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:25, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::I'm fine with that idea. But if we're going to do something like that we should to have stricter and clearer standards for articles. Official layouts and policies and the like. People usually don't like it when I try to make rules though, I get complaints that I'm making the wiki no fun. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 21:10, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I think a Manual of Style is needed on this wiki. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 21:33, December 20, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::I agree with Jeff and Dan, it's a good idea but we could do with a Manual of Style, like Dan said. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::Okay well us three crats all agree on the Manual of Style, so we'll have to start discussing that soon. Does anyone else have any comments on featured articles? [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 16:47, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::::::::Yes, will the Featured article be marked with a template, like [[w:c:rockstargames:Edgar Ross|that]], or an 'Era' template (small icons at the top of the page, indicating games/groups/etc related to the page), like [[w:c:assassinscreed:Desmond Miles|that]]? -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:58, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::::::::Just an aside, I'm going away for about a week (give or take a couple days) for Christmas so I'll likely not be responding to this for a while... on the other hand I might end up with hours per day on my hands and put in some actual work on this place. But if I do go quiet that's why. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 03:34, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:I say we leave the discussion until after Christmas as I'll be busy over the holiday period aswell. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 04:26, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::I think this discussion should begin again. The featured articles are also on the Red dead Wiki and they seem good on there, so I also think it's a good idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 20:09, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::We have the featured articles section, but it's been sticky on the ambulance for a long time. It would be nice if it changed only a weekly or bi-weekly rotor. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
::::We can delete this section and make a new one. Also, a weekly rotor is such an annoying thing, as it would eventually repeat itslef too much. I prefer promoting articles to a "featured status" and then just show them 'randomly' each time when a user views the main page, like [[w:c:maxpayne|this one]]. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 09:23, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
:::::I like the sound of that. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 10:01, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Wiki Reconstruction==
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I also reccomend that we can add the note below to the MoS;
I say we should bring to the wiki back to life a little bit. We are one of the best wikis, but we lack of new users (50 a month isn't that good). Here are my ideeas:
 
*Adding a new background (GTA V themed).
 
*Based on the color of the background, we should change the wiki skin color.
 
*Re-writing the main article and making it more friendly for new users.
 
*Adding "featured articles" and polls.
 
   
Of course, this shouldn't happen that fast, but with GTA V on the way, we might catch some new users. We want them to stay, no? <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span>
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'''Vehicles variants that have significant changes in performance, design and naming, such as second generation vehicles, should be made as two separate pages.'''
   
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I'm hoping that this issue can finally be resolved after all the issues in the last year or so surrounding it. If there's any other vehicles that have minor differences you feel need to be merged besides those listed above, or if you have any questions, comments or concerns, please leave it below. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
   
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===Comments===
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*So, you want to keep the armored variants into their respective pages? Well, I was thinking on that. Also, I noticed both the Rebel and the Sanchez are listed to split, which I found it quite odd, as both has slight changes (apart of the almost-impossible Buzzard, which was dropped). As for the MoS note, well, most second gen cars has the same names as the original cars (or 1st gen in that case), so that would be confusing for the Schafter and the Baller. For me, I would agree in your point, but I don't have control of the project. --<span style="background-color:white; border:4px ridge black; color:#FFFFFF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 03:41, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
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**The beater version of the Rebel is called Rusty Rebel on the website...different name = different page. Exact same case with the Sanchez. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 07:27, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
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*Can't see why the Rebel and Sanchez are split besides beater and livery changes, respectively. As for the MoS, if it's a vehicle like the Buffalo (which has S) or Oracle (XS), then it falls under the rule. Schafters, Cavalcades and Ballers, not yet, not unless R* change the name. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 03:49, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
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*honestly Wilds idea of splitting EVERYTHING with differing names still attracts me more than the idea of merging armored ones. Why? Well, because now you're making exceptions. And exceptions = no consistency. If we just stick to the rule of 'different nsme = different page', there'll be absolutely no exceptions and it will be consistent. The way its going is fine to me. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 07:27, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
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**Yes but the most of these vehicles are split because they have different design and or performance. The armored vehicles have no differences in design or performance. They only have an altered name, so we have 8 pages of armored vehicles with identical design and performance to their stock vehicles. The design and performance difference is why pages were split in the first place. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 08:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
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**Actually the performances between the armored versions differs, especially the new Cogs, Schafters, Ballers. Guy A <small>(Junior)</small> - [[User: That Ferrari Guy|That Ferrari Guy]] ([[User talk: That Ferrari Guy|talk]]) 15:06, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
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==Probation Expiry - [[User:That Ferrari Guy|That Ferrari Guy]] (Patroller)==
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'''''Closed as successful by '''''[[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
   
:I do agree with you on most things but GTA isn't really the most brightest game so, I don't think changing the Wikis skin colour will do much but the other ideas are good. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 20:23, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
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That Ferrari "Guy"'s probation is pretty much up so it's time for everyone to vote as to whether they think he has passed. Remember, only admins and bureaucrats can vote, patrollers and normal users may leave comments.
:All those things sound good, espesially "featured articles". The only thing I don't agree with is changing the wiki's background. Great ideas!  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:03, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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====Votes====
:What this wiki needs is a GTA V background image. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 05:54, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
:: We should definetely change the Main Page. It looks "old". <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]</span>
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*'''Affirmative''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 19:27, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 20:24, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <span style="background-color:white; border:4px ridge black; color:#FFFFFF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 04:46, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes-''' [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
   
::: Something with all the three protagonist or a view of Los Santos would be nice. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 09:23, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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====Comments====
::::Yeah, that'd be nice. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 09:51, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*I think you've done really well in your second probation period. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
:::::The main page is fine as it is. It's the background image that needs changing. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 11:40, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
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*I believe that you have done an excellent job as a Patroller. I am quite confident that you will pass your probation. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 19:26, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*He did extremely well. Opened a little too early but tomorrow he won't be online till later (as far as I hear). Well done bud. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 19:27, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*I haven't been around long enough to notice Guy's work, but he worked well last time around, and the votes above tell me he's done just as well. Closed as successful. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
   
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==Probation Expiry - [[User:TAlim 1994|TAlim 1994]] (Patroller)==
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Outcome: '''PASS'''
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===Votes===
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(Admins and Bureaucrats only)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 12:44, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <span style="background-color:white; border:4px ridge black; color:#FFFFFF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 16:34, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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(Everyone)
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*I have decided to take the liberty of setting up my own probation expiry vote to save other Staff the trouble. Please vote when you are able to. Thank you. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 10:51, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
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*You've done very well during your probation and it would be good for you to continue. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
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*You made a good progress and you're efficient as a patroller. I say "yes". --<span style="background-color:white; border:4px ridge black; color:#FFFFFF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
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*You did great. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
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==Vehicle Variants System 2.0==
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Okay guys, you're probably going to shoot me for this, but I have a new idea. I suggested the idea (albeit hesitantly considering the outcome and affect it'd have on the Staff here) in Chat one evening with Leo, who agreed it was a fantastic idea. He agreed in a good manner and suggested I sent it to the Community Noticeboard to propose it. So, Leo, if you disagree now, I'm gonna kill you :P
   
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The idea is, well, pretty simple really. Instead of shoving all the Variants into the same article of the main vehicle, create a sub-page "[Vehicle Name]/Variants" and list them all in there. I really think this makes it A LOT tidier. I have started my first example, [[User:Monkeypolice188/Experiments/2016 Variants Project|here]]. I did the Granger. On the Granger article, at the variants section, you'll notice a "Main" template, which will link you to the Variants sub-page which lists all the emergency counterparts. For navigational purposes, the 4 variants are listed at the top, the links send you to the parts of the page (try it out, "Press me!" :P).
   
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Now, I separated the pages with a "<nowiki>----</nowiki>" bar to make it clearer where each vehicle ends. I really like this system, and I'm confident it would work for many vehicles (only ones I'm concerned about are where we draw the line as what counts as a variant (example, Phantom and Rubble?), as well as when a vehicle crosses the Universe boundary but doesn't count as a variant in one of the Universes.
   
:Ok, Messi. I thought I could help, but I can't test backgrounds since I'm not an Admin. We might have to wait for someone with experience in making backgrounds. Any ideeas who could be? Maybe a Community Wikia staff? <span style="-moz-border-radius-topleft:15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:15px; border:2px ridge yellow; -moz-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; -webkit-box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; box-shadow: 0 0 0.6em black; background-color:#000000">[[File:Dodo8_logo.png|35px|link=User:Dodo8]][[User:Dodo8|''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black">Dodo8</span>'']] <sup>''<span style="color:yellow; font-family:Cooper Black>Tal </span>''</sup></span>
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So, please, this is '''not''' a vote, as for now, I'm just letting you comment to see what you think. Again, this is only an alpha (not even beta) project, I want to see what you think.
:[[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:33, April 1, 2013 (UTC) 
 
   
:Changing the backround to a backdrop of Los Santos would be a great face lift for the wiki. The wiki skin should stay dark though. 
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Oh, one more thing, '''this is not a place to start an argument'''. If we start arguing in an uncivil manner, I'll simply close it and delete the project. Just tell me what you think, and if I get good reception, '''maybe''' I'll turn it into a vote.
   
:If the wiki is going to have a new background it should be the new protagonists. Like how the wiki currently has the IV Era protags. Not Los Santos.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 02:16, April 3, 2013 (UTC)
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Tar lads. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 12:02, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
   
::Agreed. Well if someone can make a background image, then I'll change it. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 02:42, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
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===Comments===
:::I have photoshop, but I'm not used to it. I think we will have to ask someone from the Community Wiki?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*I think it is a good idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 12:25, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
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*From what I see on the Granger examples, that would mean that pages like "Park Ranger", "FIB Granger", "Lifeguard SUV", etc. would no longer exist and be instead merged into "Granger/Variants" page. Correct? If so, no, never. They are separated for a reason, and it's pretty obvious a specific vehicle is a variant anyway - a mention such as "Main Article: [vehicle]" and a very short paragraph would be enough. It's good as it is now, and things like that are usually '''''very volatile''''' as evidenced from past votes/ideas. IMHO it would be a better idea to split everything, instead of having a hacky system of vehicle subsections like Kuruma (Armored), Insurgent Pick-Up, Rusty Rebel etc. have now - that would save the time and confusion of making and reading these pages - but the last time we agreed that only select vehicles would end up like the examples I mentioned so that would bring an end to these sort of ideas, and arguments resulting from them, which is why it'd be better to leave it as it is. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 12:55, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
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**Yeah I agree. I was pretty hesitant myself when writing this and hence why i've only decided to right this more than a month after he suggested I put it forward. Again, it's just an idea and not something I'm insisting should be done. I only insist when I'm fully confident :P <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 14:23, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
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*Your proposal is intriguing, but I must admit that it sounds like a monumental change, and not one which should be implemented on a whim. As "[[User:WildBrick142|Wildbrick142]]" has said, it will not be a good idea to merge all the pages of different variants of vehicles that have substantially different stock performance specifications. Instead I would suggest creating a "Variants" heading on the page of the base vehicle, creating a sub-heading for each variant of the vehicle, adding a "Main" template that links to the vehicle page for that variant, and inserting a concise description on how the variant differs from the base vehicle. Also, a "Disambiglink" template should be placed at the start of the page of each variant, stating something along the lines of "For the vehicle that the [Variant Name] is based on, see [Base Vehicle Name]". [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 07:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
   
::::Well, who made the current background? [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 08:57, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
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==Toning Down Trivia==
::::::I am probably not meant to be posting here, but the background was made by [http://gta.wikia.com/User:JoePlay JoePlay].[[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=w:c:wildonesgame:User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=w:c:wildonesgame:Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:01, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
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Alright, well it's been discussed [http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/GTA_Wiki:Community_Noticeboard/Archive_3 in the past], so to make it short: let's take it easy on the trivia and reserve it for stuff we have not seen. Pages, such as the [[Heavy Revolver]] for example (which I have fixed since), had information that was best well fit in the derscription section. Other pages contain trivia that was already mentioned, too obvious, speculative (most of the time), or in some cases, it was not even worth mentioning. I just want to get the community a heads-up to tone down the trivia and to make sure that the information you found regarding to a specific page is best suited in the description, appearance, etc.
   
Since everybody seems to agree that the new protagonists should be the background, shall I post a request to Wikia? First we should probably decide on an image for them to use. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 16:48, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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--'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 18:21, January 18, 2016 (UTC) 
   
:[[:File:The Trunk-GTAV.jpg]] and [[:File:Trevorfranklinmichael-GTAV.jpg]]. Can't think on other backgrounds than those. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 18:01, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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===Comments===
::On the left side a photo of Trevor in "The Trunk", and on the other side Franklin's in the second picture Ilan shown. And the background (of the background, lol) to have the skyline of Los Santos.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*Agreed. Some of the GTA IV mission pages are the worst offenders for "trivia" I've seen. I'm all for Trivia sections but I personally think a section with one or two relevant facts is better than 20 irrelevant facts. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 19:01, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
:::I think just using the second image would be better, Trevor and Michael on either side. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 19:36, April 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Sounds good. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:37, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
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*I completely agree that the trivia should be reserved for important and relevant facts regarding the article it refers to, but I should also point out that what one user regards as "important" might not be regarded as such by another, which may lead to potentially ugly disputes. Perhaps general guidelines for what should and should not be added to the trivia of each category of article (missions, characters, businesses, etc.) should be created to preempt such disputes. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 14:42, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
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**[[GTA Wiki:Trivia|Here]]'s the official policy on Trivia. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 15:30, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
   
:::I was thinking that this wiki could be bright like GTA V. Having The GTA V cover or All Three Protagonists in the background image and having the colors being bright like the game looks. That would be great. [[User:Matt Seay|Matt Seay]] ([[User talk:Matt Seay|talk]]) 21:24, April 13, 2013 (UTC)
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==Resignation==
::::I'm not really sure how having all three would work, making two smaller and having them on one side would look a bit off. As would having a transparent background. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 08:43, April 14, 2013 (UTC)
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I think it's time for me to move on and resign as administrator, as I'm busy IRL to edit here and I've also been losing interest in the GTA series lately. Besides, it's fair for the most active patrollers to leave an open admin spot so one of them can be promoted. I'm not leaving the wiki, I will still edit here, but just not as often. Good luck everybody, and see you around :) [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 10:59, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
::::Yes this true, I guess just the Game Cover Art would be good. I mean technocaly GTA IV has 3 protags, and only two are on the background. I am more in favor of the cover art being the background but I want something that is kind of generic for the new game. [[User:Matt Seay|Matt Seay]] ([[User talk:Matt Seay|talk]]) 02:09, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
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:Sheesh. Sorry to hear that my friend. You've been great here man. I've always looked up to you as a great admin. Have a great New Year and enjoy your life :) take care buddy. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 11:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
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:Sorry to see you go Doc but I can fully understand why. Look after yourself and hopefully you'll be back soon. Happy New Year. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 14:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
==Help from the [http://es.gta.wikia.com/wiki/Grand_Theft_Encyclopedia Spanish GTA Wiki]==
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::Thanks for you comments, and happy New Year to you as well :) [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC) 
   
So, I talked to this Staff member, who apparently is talented in coding and is also a GTA fan. His name is [http://es.gta.wikia.com/wiki/Muro:Bola Bola].
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:::Sorry to see you go Doc. You've been great here and we really are thankful for the thousands of spectacular images you've added here. I also feel your case, as I myself am not as active as before and am losing interest in GTA as well, mostly because I'm focusing on other things in life and my future game and don't have much time for video games in general now. As I always said they're better things in life than video games. The only reason I'm not resigning is because I'm afraid to leave the wiki and all sorts of shit start up here such as vandals and what not. Anyways, I hope you find what you're looking for in life and have a happy new year.[[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:42, December 31, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
   
He agreed to help us. But first we will have to decide the background(s). Sincerely, I don't want anymore protagonists' faces looking at me all-day long.
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::::I'm sorry to hear this Doc, but I understand. Happy New Year for you and your family ! [[User:General9913|General9913]] ([[User talk:General9913|talk]]) 21:07, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
I thought of using this:
 
   
[[File:BeautifulSunset-GTAV.jpg|200px]]
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{{RI}} It's a shame to see you go, Doc. I understand your point about being busy, but hey, you made it very well here, and that matters. Anyway, have a great one over there :D --<span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 03:32, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
   
Also, I tought of having a header like on tha Spanish wiki. You know, the navigation thingy with On The Wiki, GTA Games, GTA Info, Community. Maybe we could use the Skyline in this picture:
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It's a shame the year ends with another resignation. Can't say I'm not disappointed, Doc, you've done great things here, but I can understand your reasoning. Good luck. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 06:05, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
   
[[File:Beachweather-GTAV.jpg|200px]]
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It is sad to see you go. You have been a great admin. It was nice having you around here. [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Please leave your threats here]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Wanna Stalk?]]) 21:28, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
   
I don't know, but we must take a decision, since Bola is ready to help us.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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==Probation Expiry - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth hunter]] (Patroller)==
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'''''Closed as successful by '''''[[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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===Votes===
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(Admins and Bureaucrats only)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 15:56, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 17:24, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 19:46, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
   
:The skyline one is definitely more user-friendly. The bikini girl background would make the wiki more or less unusable for anyone who wanted to look at it at school or work, and I can imagine female editors not really caring for it too. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 18:49, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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(Everyone)
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*At first his edits were okay, then they dropped a bit, but he's managed to pick it up lately, and he ''did'' tell me his internet was causing issues in logging in, etc, so we can't exactly blame some of his inactivity, He'll fair well as a Patroller and makes good contributions, as well as reinforces the policies and always informs me about vandals to block. He's very useful in chat too, blocked many sockpuppets lately. He's a great Patroller, and I'm sure if the internet issues are fixed, he'll become active even more. Good luck Myth :) <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*Though I've been absent and a lot less active recently sadly, I know Myth has improved a lot since his first time. He deserves the position without a doubt. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*Really did improve since the last probabtion expiry. You have my '''''yes''''' in spirit. :) --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 19:45, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*Activity was the only issue before, and that has been fixed. With my vote as the sixth yes, I am closing it as successful. Congratulations, Myth hunter. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
   
::The girl won't appear on the header, only the skyline beside her will do. Like this on the Spanish wiki:
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==Mission Numbers in Infoboxes==
[[File:Sp_Wiki_Header.png|300px]]
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:'''''Closed as <span style="color:red">Unsuccessful</span> by [[User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188]]'''''.
<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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So earlier I was thinking we could have Mission Numbers in the infoboxes of missions, because the ''"this is the first mission given to [a] by [b]''" can be slightly misleading or misinterpreted at first. This wouldn't be that hard and I can really only see it following how either the GTASeriesVideos name them, '''OR''' the order they ard listed on the main "''Missiins in [gams]''" article. Essentially, it makes navigation easier, makes identifying any referencs to mission numbers '''outside''' GTA Wiki easier to understand, and gives missions a simpler ordering system.
   
I agree with Jeff.
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What do you think? <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 09:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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===Votes===
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*'''<s>Neutral</s> No''' - [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 12:10, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Please leave your threats here]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Wanna Stalk?]]) 12:59, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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*If you're adding mission numbers, then you're establishing a mission sequence, is it that what you mean? I didn't get your point.Because if it is, only thing I can say is that it's a sandbox game, players can choose whatever sequence they want. I see the "unlocked by" and "unlocks" thing working pretty well on infoboxes, so there's no need for mission numbers yet. Staying neutral untill further explanations. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 12:10, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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**Well, that is what I mean, but there is evidently some kind of sequence, somehow, because how are experienced Youtubers numbering them? And there's clearly an order, Rockstar ordering missions in the "Replay Mission" feature. It'd be really useful, but now you mention the "Unlocked by" and "Unlocks", I think I might close this, as that's good enough tbh. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 12:17, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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:::I've not seen so many videos walkthroughs in YT other than the ones that I used to get some mission screenshots, but I guess they just pick one of the available missions and start a video for it. That's not a sequence, or at least it should not be followed. I agree about using the sequence from the "Replay Mission" in [[Missions in GTA V]] though. Do not close the discussion yet, let's just wait for other users to vote. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 12:47, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*I staying neutral on this one. On one hand I agree that a number is better than "This is the first mission (a) gave to (b)". But the only problem is that Their is not any exact order in which the missions are played. If this request is successful, I would support to use the same order as on the "Mission in (game)" page. [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Please leave your threats here]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Wanna Stalk?]]) 12:59, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Honestly, I don't see the point in this. Most missions have no specific order so what could be Mission #45 for someone would be #46 or #47, etc. , for someone else. We have navboxes and unlocked by/after already as well, and they do the job fine. What we could do is tweak the mission giver line to feature an "Expand" button that shows all missions available from the boss or rewrite all headings to make them less confusing while retaining the information. Following GTASeriesVideos in regards to mission numbering is exactly the same as following the average GTAO Youtuber: speculation. The only factual mission numbering is from R* themselves.<br /><br />btw, mission sequence in GTA V's replay menu is not reliable. Many missions can be placed differently, depending on when you do them - Chop for example can be done before Complications or after Complications, and it will be placed on the list whenever you do them. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*Since the only thing I agreed was the Replay Mission sequence, and it's not reliable, I'm changing to "No". In addition, I see no problem to mention "this is the [first, second, third, fourth and so on] mission to [protagonist] by [mission giver]", that's the only sequence we actually have. We can improve the "unlocked by"/"unlocks" by adding a feature used at some mission articles in GTA SA, such as [[Sweet's Girl]] (see the bottom of the page), particularly for mission series ([[The Truth (mission series)]] for example). Thoughts?. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 14:21, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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**Okay okay...I didn't realise that the missions were not in the same order for everyone, as I didn't realise that depending on what mission you do first, it effects the order numbers. Sorry... <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 14:50, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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==Character Manual of Style change==
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'''''Closed as ''successful'' by '''''[[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
I don't, but if I happened to visit the wiki at school, it wouldn't be easy to explain that good-looking girl in the background...
 
   
The skyline background doesn't bring any heat, haha.
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Good day. After a discussion with "[[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]]" regarding the [[GTA Wiki:Manual of Style/Characters|Manual of Style for characters]], I have decided to propose a change to it to place the gallery before the trivia, as apparently all other Manuals of Style have the format as such, with the one for characters being the only one with the trivia before the gallery. Please vote and discuss this.
   
[[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:16, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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[[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 19:34, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
   
::Skyline one looks best I think. Bikini one is good for a male audience, but females play GTA too. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 22:54, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
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===Votes===
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 20:00, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 21:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 23:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 23:21, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span></font>]] [[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Courier"><span style="color:#DBA901">My</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Monoface"><span style="color:#848484">Master</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Of</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Ceremonies</span></font>]] 00:32, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:12, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 10:23, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 11:39, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:27, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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*Trivia usually is last (many wikis are laid out like this), and it looks a lot neater, so I agree with this change. Manual of Style for Missions would need a change, too, since that one also says that gallery is last. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 21:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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**This should also be applied to the MoS for neighborhoods and weapons. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 23:23, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Needless to say. That's what I've been doing since I started editing here. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 23:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sure. It was odd to have the Trivia before gallery, which is contrary to the actual one. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 23:21, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*I also have been placing the gallery before the trivia on a lot of different articles since I joined the wikia. I don't know why, but placing the gallery at the very botton of the page always looked "ugly" to me. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:12, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Since I joined the Wiki I've always been placing Trivia sections at the foot of the page, just as a given. With regards to the MoS, it is mainly a guideline I don't think it needs to be followed to the letter as the most important points in a page is the correct information and correctly licenced and named images, but if this change will clear up any grey areas then I'm all for it. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 10:23, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Everyone basically pointed out all my concerns, as an admin. No need to comment anything else :P <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:27, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*I am closing this proposal as successful, and I will make changes to the Manual of Style for missions and characters. I must admit that I am a slight bit cheesed off about this change (even though I proposed it), as I will now need to return to several character articles that I have created following the (now invalid) Manual of Style for characters, and change the format. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
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**I have now made the changes and updated the [[The Informant|two]] [[The Dossier Carrier|pages]] with galleries that I created using the old Manual of Style for characters. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 17:44, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
'''EVERYONE LISTEN:''' the girl won't appear on the wiki, only the skyline beside her will be the header. And the other picture will be the background. So, let's decide already. Am I telling to Bola?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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==Resignation==
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Hey guys, bad news for some of you and good news for others... Unfortunately I haven't been editing very often here and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable to visit Wikis every day; it doesn't mean that I don't like the GTA Wiki, but that I want to change some things in my life, like, instead of sitting in front of a computer to edit video game articles, I want to do something more, how can I say? Well, I think you guys will understand my reason...
   
:I think that if the woman isn't in it, like you say, then yeah, it will be more user friendly. However, I do like the skyline one a lot. I think it would be the better of the two. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
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Also, I started to lose my interest in the GTA series after the [[Heists Update]], since I myself am not a multiplayer person and I'm not really playing video games very often recently, so I'm feeling a little egoistical to occupy the admin spot, which should be taken by someone else.
   
:I prefer the skyline screenshot. It just looks better in my opinion than the bikini artwork, regardless the girl's appearance or not. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 12:59, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
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That's all I wanted to say; I will still come here, especially in chat to talk to my colleagues, but no longer as an admin.
:I quite like the skyline shot as well. I'm not so sure about putting the cover girl ahead of protagonists or main characters. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 14:27, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
:<big>Ok, I'm going to tell Bola to use this image as the main background. We will think about the header later. </big>
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Special thanks to my wiki friends: [[User:Smashbro8|Jamal]], [[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]], [[User:SJWalker|Sam]], [[User:Leon Davis|Leo]], [[User:Mortsnarg|Alex]], [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]], [[User:558050|558]] and [[User:Ultimate94ninja|U94N]]. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:aqua; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:02, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
<big>[[File:Optional Background.jpg|200px]]</big><span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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===Comments===
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*Andre's point is understandable. I too am starting to lose a little interest in GTA, as I am also trying to focus on my personal goals, education and career, which also involves the planning and putting things together of my own future sandbox game. However, I'm holding the spot here because I know I am still needed. Until I have the feelings things will run smoothly here without me having rights, I will remain a bureaucrat. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 19:19, November 3, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*Well, my friend, it has been really, really great, to have you as an admin here. You have been one of the best admins here, it will be a shame to see you go. All the best, Monk ;) PS It's still nice to have you around :) [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 19:22, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*Ahh, this makes me a little sad, but I can understand why you're leaving. You have your whole life ahead of you, and like you said, edting information about a video game isn't a good way to spend it, create art! You've told me some about that video game idea you had, so stick with it man! It's been great having you as an editor here Andre, you'll do well at what you put your mind to. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 23:21, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*I'm not surprised anymore, because most of the staff are resigning, and I feel it will be me soon. I've lost interest, and I've done enough for the wiki. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:44, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Its natural that so many people here are losing interest in GTA, after two years I'm actually surprised that we lasted that long. I will probably gonna need to resign at some point in the near future too, thanks to personal problems, hell, I'm already WAY less active then I used to be. Anyway, good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish, dude. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 03:22, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Ever since people are leaning towards next-gen, last-gen has been left to rot since Rockstar Games now focuses on future updates exclusive to next-gen. A shame to see you go, dude, but you've been really awesome in the end. I'm still into GTA, but not by much as I usually focus on edits on a regular basis. And no, I don't have any desire of being an admin for it, as it can only add more weight down my shoulders and will become swamped as a result of keeping the pages from future attacks by trouble-making users. All in all, best of luck on the outside world. [[File:JohnSignature.jpg|200px|link=User talk:JohnnyD-the-VGNerd]] 04:03, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Good luck and see you around :) [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 11:48, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sad to see you go. Best of luck and all the best. Sad to see others on the staff mentioning that they might resign too. I think once you lose interest in something whether it will be editing on here or on Wikia in general, then it is hard to get that interest back. I have tried numerous times to get back into editing, but after a few days I get bored and real life takes over as it should and I feel I don't have the time for it anymore. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 00:44, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*It's sad to see you go. But what else can we do? It's okay considering that not everything is being on the wiki all the time. Sooner or later, our lifes takes form, and it means focusing on other important things and sucess, No?. Anyway. Take care, man and good luck. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 15:52, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think both of these are pretty good for the background. But I prefer the skyline picture rather than the bikini girl one
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==GTA Wiki To-Do List==
(and I know its only the background and not her included). Either way these both make great backgrounds. --[[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 02:53, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
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'''''Closed as ''successful'' by '''''[[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 10:55, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
::I decided to use the skyline beside the girl. I already sent Bola a message, now we just have to wait. Also I'll think about the header image at an other time...<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup>
 
==Manual of style==
 
I have recently create a page to hopefully try and smoothen the operation of our vehicles department, however I do not want to press ahead with its implementation without community consensus. The [[Manual_of_Style/Vehicles|Manual of Style for Vehicles]]<span style="line-height:20px;"> has been created and I would like the Bureacrats and admins to have a look at it.</span>
 
   
<span style="line-height:20px;">Also I recently imported the {{Template:T|t}} from Drive Club Wiki, I probably should have asked this community first. Is there anybody who would like this template to be removed? [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 16:04, May 4, 2013 (UTC)</span>
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Hey! So I was looking around the highly-thought-through, sophisticated Saints Row Wiki (along with the for now-anonymous boring-as-hell user), and I saw a really useful article (many in fact), a 'To Do list'. Now, I'm aware we do/did have a to do list, but in honesty, it hasn't been updated in donkey's years, so, I was thinking we could revamp it. Of course, only staff can edit and add to it (unless, of course, you prefer not, and anyone) (as long as all types of staff can edit it permanently). I'd keep on top of it, associating it with projects put forward here would be great, and should be mandatory tbh.
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Benefits? Well, many in fact, sometimes, things need to be addressed, and quite a few times I've been stumbled on what to do next (despite the fact I have my own 'mini to do list'), so this would help both users and staff.
   
::If you need that template, it shouldn't be removed. You don't have to ask for things you have to do, you are an admin afterall. :) <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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Tell me what you think, yes, or no? [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 08:36, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
   
==Chat Problems==
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===Votes===
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 09:50, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span></font>]] [[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Courier"><span style="color:#DBA901">My</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Monoface"><span style="color:#848484">Master</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Of</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Ceremonies</span></font>]] 10:02, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 13:40, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes '''- [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 15:55, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''YES''' - <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:06, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''HELL YES - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 19:44, October 25, 2015 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes with a cherry on top, glazed with chocolate and caramel --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>(</small>'''<small>[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]</small>''' - '''<small>[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]</small>''' - '''<small>[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')'''</small>'''-- 20:03, October 25, 2015 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 20:31, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]]­ 21:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MythHunter 007|Myth]][[User_talk:MythHunter_007|Hunter]] [[Special:Contributions/MythHunter_007|007]] 03:02, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:01, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
   
So you all know that I'm always on chat to see if anyone is there, but it's always quiet there and I'm always the only there, there has to be a staff here that's not busy with something should be in chat when I'm school, so I'm gonna figure out how to get more users to come on this chat. [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 03:24, May 7, 2013 (UTC)Cloudkit01
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*Would be a good idea. There are a number of mission pages which definitely need a lot of work, and delegating tasks would be beneficial in the long run. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 09:50, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Agree with Sam. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span></font>]] [[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Courier"><span style="color:#DBA901">My</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Monoface"><span style="color:#848484">Master</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Of</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Ceremonies</span></font>]] 10:02, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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**Brilliant! So, I've created a prototype, [http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/User:Monkeypolice188/Experiments/GTA_Wiki:To-Do_List here], which, what I think works well, has subcategories, and furthermore, subheadings, to categorize the work into the type of work (e.g. vehicles, locations, missions, etc), and then distinguish (if applicable) what game the project or work focuses on, which are separated by headings. Took literally 5 minutes. See what you think :P [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 11:10, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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***Looks good Monk. Hopefully we'll get more support. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 12:29, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Good idea. One thing I would like to add is that the to do list page should bee divided into sections like Missions, Locations etc. This will make it easy for editors to find the page they can add more info about.[[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 14:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Excellent idea! I think we can get a lot done here, and do it efficently with other people picking up different tasks. I think it would make a much more "united" community here. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 15:55, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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**I have plenty to add if this goes through sucessful :P If it does, I'll create the articles, and I will let users (along with myself) add anything they think should be listed as a project or as something we need to finish. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 15:57, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sounds good. It would be beneficial for those pages that aren't checked for a long time. Agreed with that idea. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:06, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Have you seen the pages made before the community split? A.K.A everything relating to The Ballad of Gay Tony, and everything that came before it. Great idea. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 19:44, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*A wonderful idea myself I would say! Also, a good way to get the community to work together more! --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 20:03, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Great idea. If we also could incorporate this to-do-list to the message that appears to every single new user every time they do their first edit it would also help a lot. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 20:31, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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**I was going to point that out lol. That'd be great, make it a big thing here, make it viewable from everywhere on the wiki, we need to make this big, and when somet's big, it needs to be fancy, great quality, and full of endless projects and work for anyone to contribute; keeps the edit counts up, keeps the work going, and best of all, keeps the wiki expanding :P [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 21:51, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*This should not even be a question :p I think this is an excellent idea since it will allow the wiki to be a bit more organized. A huge problem - and one of people's major complaints about the wiki - is that there is a lot of speculative/unsourced content which lowers the wiki's overall credibility. Speculation is being removed when it's spotted but there are still pages left to correct. I believe that a to-do list, such as adding references to anything even remotely questionable, would be a good start, and, as it was already said, it would get the community to help out more. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]]­ 21:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Same as Sam and Hunter.-[[User:MythHunter 007|Myth]][[User_talk:MythHunter_007|Hunter]] [[Special:Contributions/MythHunter_007|007]] 03:02, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*Impatience* Could we get this closed as successful so I can start the project? Or am I granted permission to start it without it being closed as successful? (Seen as it's very likely to go through as yes anyway).  [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 19:47, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

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Merge CompromiseEdit

Okay, this discussion again. I noticed a widespread split of several pages. Now, I can go off on one and say "It wasn't authorized" "This is a bad idea" blah, blah, blah. No, I do not want to deal with more fall out on this case. So, some vehicles, from what I've seen, have been unncessarily split. So I propose;

  • Keep Kuruma (Armored) as part of the variants on the Kuruma page.
  • Have a page for Baller LE, with armored in the variants section.
  • Have a page for Baller LWB, with armored in the variants section.
  • Have a page for Schafter LWB, with armored in the variants section.
  • Have a page for Schafter V12, with armored in the variants section.
  • Have a page for Schafter LWB, with armored in the variants section.
  • Have a page for Cognoscenti 55, with armored in the variants section.
  • Keep Cognoscenti (Armored) as part of the variants on the Cognoscenti page.

These cars (upgraded/changed Schafter, Baller & Cog) do have different design and some have different performances, but having armor doesn't warrant its own page.

The Buffalo S & Oracle XS have major differences so I can put my personal feelings to one side on this matter. Insurgent/9F/Rancher/Sentinel/Granger etc. can stay separate, because I know they're variants, but they have different performance, design and whatever else, so if it keeps the calm here, good, and if the Schafter is renamed, or the Baller or Cavalacade, then we'll split like we've done in the past. I just don't think there should be separate pages, jut because it has armor on it. The exception being Duke O'Death, because it has a different name, it's not just Dukes (Armored). Also, to close the matter on the Roosevelt Valor, if it comes out and has different performance, design and naming, that it should have its own page.

I also reccomend that we can add the note below to the MoS;

Vehicles variants that have significant changes in performance, design and naming, such as second generation vehicles, should be made as two separate pages.

I'm hoping that this issue can finally be resolved after all the issues in the last year or so surrounding it. If there's any other vehicles that have minor differences you feel need to be merged besides those listed above, or if you have any questions, comments or concerns, please leave it below. Leo68 (talk) 02:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • So, you want to keep the armored variants into their respective pages? Well, I was thinking on that. Also, I noticed both the Rebel and the Sanchez are listed to split, which I found it quite odd, as both has slight changes (apart of the almost-impossible Buzzard, which was dropped). As for the MoS note, well, most second gen cars has the same names as the original cars (or 1st gen in that case), so that would be confusing for the Schafter and the Baller. For me, I would agree in your point, but I don't have control of the project. --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 03:41, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
    • The beater version of the Rebel is called Rusty Rebel on the website...different name = different page. Exact same case with the Sanchez. Monk Talk 07:27, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
  • Can't see why the Rebel and Sanchez are split besides beater and livery changes, respectively. As for the MoS, if it's a vehicle like the Buffalo (which has S) or Oracle (XS), then it falls under the rule. Schafters, Cavalcades and Ballers, not yet, not unless R* change the name. Leo68 (talk) 03:49, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
  • honestly Wilds idea of splitting EVERYTHING with differing names still attracts me more than the idea of merging armored ones. Why? Well, because now you're making exceptions. And exceptions = no consistency. If we just stick to the rule of 'different nsme = different page', there'll be absolutely no exceptions and it will be consistent. The way its going is fine to me. Monk Talk 07:27, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
    • Yes but the most of these vehicles are split because they have different design and or performance. The armored vehicles have no differences in design or performance. They only have an altered name, so we have 8 pages of armored vehicles with identical design and performance to their stock vehicles. The design and performance difference is why pages were split in the first place. Leo68 (talk) 08:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
    • Actually the performances between the armored versions differs, especially the new Cogs, Schafters, Ballers. Guy A (Junior) - That Ferrari Guy (talk) 15:06, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Probation Expiry - That Ferrari Guy (Patroller)Edit

Closed as successful by Leo68 (talk) 02:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

That Ferrari "Guy"'s probation is pretty much up so it's time for everyone to vote as to whether they think he has passed. Remember, only admins and bureaucrats can vote, patrollers and normal users may leave comments.

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • I think you've done really well in your second probation period. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
  • I believe that you have done an excellent job as a Patroller. I am quite confident that you will pass your probation. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 19:26, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
  • He did extremely well. Opened a little too early but tomorrow he won't be online till later (as far as I hear). Well done bud. Monk Talk 19:27, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
  • I haven't been around long enough to notice Guy's work, but he worked well last time around, and the votes above tell me he's done just as well. Closed as successful. Leo68 (talk) 02:51, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Probation Expiry - TAlim 1994 (Patroller)Edit

Outcome: PASS

VotesEdit

(Admins and Bureaucrats only)

  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - Sam Talk 12:44, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - Monk Talk 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 16:34, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

(Everyone)

  • I have decided to take the liberty of setting up my own probation expiry vote to save other Staff the trouble. Please vote when you are able to. Thank you. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 10:51, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • You've done very well during your probation and it would be good for you to continue. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • You made a good progress and you're efficient as a patroller. I say "yes". --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • You did great. Monk Talk 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Vehicle Variants System 2.0Edit

Okay guys, you're probably going to shoot me for this, but I have a new idea. I suggested the idea (albeit hesitantly considering the outcome and affect it'd have on the Staff here) in Chat one evening with Leo, who agreed it was a fantastic idea. He agreed in a good manner and suggested I sent it to the Community Noticeboard to propose it. So, Leo, if you disagree now, I'm gonna kill you :P

The idea is, well, pretty simple really. Instead of shoving all the Variants into the same article of the main vehicle, create a sub-page "[Vehicle Name]/Variants" and list them all in there. I really think this makes it A LOT tidier. I have started my first example, here. I did the Granger. On the Granger article, at the variants section, you'll notice a "Main" template, which will link you to the Variants sub-page which lists all the emergency counterparts. For navigational purposes, the 4 variants are listed at the top, the links send you to the parts of the page (try it out, "Press me!" :P).

Now, I separated the pages with a "----" bar to make it clearer where each vehicle ends. I really like this system, and I'm confident it would work for many vehicles (only ones I'm concerned about are where we draw the line as what counts as a variant (example, Phantom and Rubble?), as well as when a vehicle crosses the Universe boundary but doesn't count as a variant in one of the Universes.

So, please, this is not a vote, as for now, I'm just letting you comment to see what you think. Again, this is only an alpha (not even beta) project, I want to see what you think.

Oh, one more thing, this is not a place to start an argument. If we start arguing in an uncivil manner, I'll simply close it and delete the project. Just tell me what you think, and if I get good reception, maybe I'll turn it into a vote.

Tar lads. Monk Talk 12:02, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I think it is a good idea. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:25, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
  • From what I see on the Granger examples, that would mean that pages like "Park Ranger", "FIB Granger", "Lifeguard SUV", etc. would no longer exist and be instead merged into "Granger/Variants" page. Correct? If so, no, never. They are separated for a reason, and it's pretty obvious a specific vehicle is a variant anyway - a mention such as "Main Article: [vehicle]" and a very short paragraph would be enough. It's good as it is now, and things like that are usually very volatile as evidenced from past votes/ideas. IMHO it would be a better idea to split everything, instead of having a hacky system of vehicle subsections like Kuruma (Armored), Insurgent Pick-Up, Rusty Rebel etc. have now - that would save the time and confusion of making and reading these pages - but the last time we agreed that only select vehicles would end up like the examples I mentioned so that would bring an end to these sort of ideas, and arguments resulting from them, which is why it'd be better to leave it as it is. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 12:55, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
    • Yeah I agree. I was pretty hesitant myself when writing this and hence why i've only decided to right this more than a month after he suggested I put it forward. Again, it's just an idea and not something I'm insisting should be done. I only insist when I'm fully confident :P Monk Talk 14:23, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
  • Your proposal is intriguing, but I must admit that it sounds like a monumental change, and not one which should be implemented on a whim. As "Wildbrick142" has said, it will not be a good idea to merge all the pages of different variants of vehicles that have substantially different stock performance specifications. Instead I would suggest creating a "Variants" heading on the page of the base vehicle, creating a sub-heading for each variant of the vehicle, adding a "Main" template that links to the vehicle page for that variant, and inserting a concise description on how the variant differs from the base vehicle. Also, a "Disambiglink" template should be placed at the start of the page of each variant, stating something along the lines of "For the vehicle that the [Variant Name] is based on, see [Base Vehicle Name]". TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 07:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Toning Down TriviaEdit

Alright, well it's been discussed in the past, so to make it short: let's take it easy on the trivia and reserve it for stuff we have not seen. Pages, such as the Heavy Revolver for example (which I have fixed since), had information that was best well fit in the derscription section. Other pages contain trivia that was already mentioned, too obvious, speculative (most of the time), or in some cases, it was not even worth mentioning. I just want to get the community a heads-up to tone down the trivia and to make sure that the information you found regarding to a specific page is best suited in the description, appearance, etc.

--Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 18:21, January 18, 2016 (UTC) 

CommentsEdit

  • Agreed. Some of the GTA IV mission pages are the worst offenders for "trivia" I've seen. I'm all for Trivia sections but I personally think a section with one or two relevant facts is better than 20 irrelevant facts. Sam Talk 19:01, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
  • Sounds good. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:37, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
  • I completely agree that the trivia should be reserved for important and relevant facts regarding the article it refers to, but I should also point out that what one user regards as "important" might not be regarded as such by another, which may lead to potentially ugly disputes. Perhaps general guidelines for what should and should not be added to the trivia of each category of article (missions, characters, businesses, etc.) should be created to preempt such disputes. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 14:42, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
    • Here's the official policy on Trivia. Sam Talk 15:30, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

ResignationEdit

I think it's time for me to move on and resign as administrator, as I'm busy IRL to edit here and I've also been losing interest in the GTA series lately. Besides, it's fair for the most active patrollers to leave an open admin spot so one of them can be promoted. I'm not leaving the wiki, I will still edit here, but just not as often. Good luck everybody, and see you around :) DocVinewood (talk) 10:59, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Sheesh. Sorry to hear that my friend. You've been great here man. I've always looked up to you as a great admin. Have a great New Year and enjoy your life :) take care buddy. Monk Talk 11:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to see you go Doc but I can fully understand why. Look after yourself and hopefully you'll be back soon. Happy New Year. Sam Talk 14:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for you comments, and happy New Year to you as well :) DocVinewood (talk) 16:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC) 
Sorry to see you go Doc. You've been great here and we really are thankful for the thousands of spectacular images you've added here. I also feel your case, as I myself am not as active as before and am losing interest in GTA as well, mostly because I'm focusing on other things in life and my future game and don't have much time for video games in general now. As I always said they're better things in life than video games. The only reason I'm not resigning is because I'm afraid to leave the wiki and all sorts of shit start up here such as vandals and what not. Anyways, I hope you find what you're looking for in life and have a happy new year.Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:42, December 31, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
I'm sorry to hear this Doc, but I understand. Happy New Year for you and your family ! General9913 (talk) 21:07, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's a shame to see you go, Doc. I understand your point about being busy, but hey, you made it very well here, and that matters. Anyway, have a great one over there :D --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 03:32, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's a shame the year ends with another resignation. Can't say I'm not disappointed, Doc, you've done great things here, but I can understand your reasoning. Good luck. Leo68 (talk) 06:05, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

It is sad to see you go. You have been a great admin. It was nice having you around here. Myth(Please leave your threats here/Wanna Stalk?) 21:28, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Probation Expiry - Myth hunter (Patroller)Edit

Closed as successful by Leo68 (talk) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

(Admins and Bureaucrats only)

  • Yes - Monk Talk 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Sam Talk 15:56, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:24, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 19:46, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Leo68 (talk) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

(Everyone)

  • At first his edits were okay, then they dropped a bit, but he's managed to pick it up lately, and he did tell me his internet was causing issues in logging in, etc, so we can't exactly blame some of his inactivity, He'll fair well as a Patroller and makes good contributions, as well as reinforces the policies and always informs me about vandals to block. He's very useful in chat too, blocked many sockpuppets lately. He's a great Patroller, and I'm sure if the internet issues are fixed, he'll become active even more. Good luck Myth :) Monk Talk 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Though I've been absent and a lot less active recently sadly, I know Myth has improved a lot since his first time. He deserves the position without a doubt. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Really did improve since the last probabtion expiry. You have my yes in spirit. :) --Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 19:45, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Activity was the only issue before, and that has been fixed. With my vote as the sixth yes, I am closing it as successful. Congratulations, Myth hunter. Leo68 (talk) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Mission Numbers in InfoboxesEdit

Closed as Unsuccessful by Monkeypolice188.

So earlier I was thinking we could have Mission Numbers in the infoboxes of missions, because the "this is the first mission given to [a] by [b]" can be slightly misleading or misinterpreted at first. This wouldn't be that hard and I can really only see it following how either the GTASeriesVideos name them, OR the order they ard listed on the main "Missiins in [gams]" article. Essentially, it makes navigation easier, makes identifying any referencs to mission numbers outside GTA Wiki easier to understand, and gives missions a simpler ordering system.

What do you think? Monk Talk 09:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • If you're adding mission numbers, then you're establishing a mission sequence, is it that what you mean? I didn't get your point.Because if it is, only thing I can say is that it's a sandbox game, players can choose whatever sequence they want. I see the "unlocked by" and "unlocks" thing working pretty well on infoboxes, so there's no need for mission numbers yet. Staying neutral untill further explanations. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 12:10, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Well, that is what I mean, but there is evidently some kind of sequence, somehow, because how are experienced Youtubers numbering them? And there's clearly an order, Rockstar ordering missions in the "Replay Mission" feature. It'd be really useful, but now you mention the "Unlocked by" and "Unlocks", I think I might close this, as that's good enough tbh. Monk Talk 12:17, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I've not seen so many videos walkthroughs in YT other than the ones that I used to get some mission screenshots, but I guess they just pick one of the available missions and start a video for it. That's not a sequence, or at least it should not be followed. I agree about using the sequence from the "Replay Mission" in Missions in GTA V though. Do not close the discussion yet, let's just wait for other users to vote. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 12:47, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I staying neutral on this one. On one hand I agree that a number is better than "This is the first mission (a) gave to (b)". But the only problem is that Their is not any exact order in which the missions are played. If this request is successful, I would support to use the same order as on the "Mission in (game)" page. Myth(Please leave your threats here/Wanna Stalk?) 12:59, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I don't see the point in this. Most missions have no specific order so what could be Mission #45 for someone would be #46 or #47, etc. , for someone else. We have navboxes and unlocked by/after already as well, and they do the job fine. What we could do is tweak the mission giver line to feature an "Expand" button that shows all missions available from the boss or rewrite all headings to make them less confusing while retaining the information. Following GTASeriesVideos in regards to mission numbering is exactly the same as following the average GTAO Youtuber: speculation. The only factual mission numbering is from R* themselves.

    btw, mission sequence in GTA V's replay menu is not reliable. Many missions can be placed differently, depending on when you do them - Chop for example can be done before Complications or after Complications, and it will be placed on the list whenever you do them. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 13:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Since the only thing I agreed was the Replay Mission sequence, and it's not reliable, I'm changing to "No". In addition, I see no problem to mention "this is the [first, second, third, fourth and so on] mission to [protagonist] by [mission giver]", that's the only sequence we actually have. We can improve the "unlocked by"/"unlocks" by adding a feature used at some mission articles in GTA SA, such as Sweet's Girl (see the bottom of the page), particularly for mission series (The Truth (mission series) for example). Thoughts?. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 14:21, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Okay okay...I didn't realise that the missions were not in the same order for everyone, as I didn't realise that depending on what mission you do first, it effects the order numbers. Sorry... Monk Talk 14:50, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Character Manual of Style changeEdit

Closed as successful by TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)


Good day. After a discussion with "Thegtaseeker96" regarding the Manual of Style for characters, I have decided to propose a change to it to place the gallery before the trivia, as apparently all other Manuals of Style have the format as such, with the one for characters being the only one with the trivia before the gallery. Please vote and discuss this.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 19:34, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Trivia usually is last (many wikis are laid out like this), and it looks a lot neater, so I agree with this change. Manual of Style for Missions would need a change, too, since that one also says that gallery is last. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 21:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
    • This should also be applied to the MoS for neighborhoods and weapons. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 23:23, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Needless to say. That's what I've been doing since I started editing here. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 23:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sure. It was odd to have the Trivia before gallery, which is contrary to the actual one. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 23:21, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • I also have been placing the gallery before the trivia on a lot of different articles since I joined the wikia. I don't know why, but placing the gallery at the very botton of the page always looked "ugly" to me. DLVIII Talk 02:12, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Since I joined the Wiki I've always been placing Trivia sections at the foot of the page, just as a given. With regards to the MoS, it is mainly a guideline I don't think it needs to be followed to the letter as the most important points in a page is the correct information and correctly licenced and named images, but if this change will clear up any grey areas then I'm all for it. Sam Talk 10:23, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Everyone basically pointed out all my concerns, as an admin. No need to comment anything else :P Monk Talk 16:27, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • I am closing this proposal as successful, and I will make changes to the Manual of Style for missions and characters. I must admit that I am a slight bit cheesed off about this change (even though I proposed it), as I will now need to return to several character articles that I have created following the (now invalid) Manual of Style for characters, and change the format. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

ResignationEdit

Hey guys, bad news for some of you and good news for others... Unfortunately I haven't been editing very often here and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable to visit Wikis every day; it doesn't mean that I don't like the GTA Wiki, but that I want to change some things in my life, like, instead of sitting in front of a computer to edit video game articles, I want to do something more, how can I say? Well, I think you guys will understand my reason...

Also, I started to lose my interest in the GTA series after the Heists Update, since I myself am not a multiplayer person and I'm not really playing video games very often recently, so I'm feeling a little egoistical to occupy the admin spot, which should be taken by someone else.

That's all I wanted to say; I will still come here, especially in chat to talk to my colleagues, but no longer as an admin.

Special thanks to my wiki friends: JamalMonkSamLeoAlexHunter558 and U94N. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:02, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Andre's point is understandable. I too am starting to lose a little interest in GTA, as I am also trying to focus on my personal goals, education and career, which also involves the planning and putting things together of my own future sandbox game. However, I'm holding the spot here because I know I am still needed. Until I have the feelings things will run smoothly here without me having rights, I will remain a bureaucrat. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 19:19, November 3, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Well, my friend, it has been really, really great, to have you as an admin here. You have been one of the best admins here, it will be a shame to see you go. All the best, Monk ;) PS It's still nice to have you around :) Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 19:22, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
  • Ahh, this makes me a little sad, but I can understand why you're leaving. You have your whole life ahead of you, and like you said, edting information about a video game isn't a good way to spend it, create art! You've told me some about that video game idea you had, so stick with it man! It's been great having you as an editor here Andre, you'll do well at what you put your mind to. Mortsnarg (talk) 23:21, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm not surprised anymore, because most of the staff are resigning, and I feel it will be me soon. I've lost interest, and I've done enough for the wiki. Leo68 (talk) 02:44, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Its natural that so many people here are losing interest in GTA, after two years I'm actually surprised that we lasted that long. I will probably gonna need to resign at some point in the near future too, thanks to personal problems, hell, I'm already WAY less active then I used to be. Anyway, good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish, dude. DLVIII Talk 03:22, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Ever since people are leaning towards next-gen, last-gen has been left to rot since Rockstar Games now focuses on future updates exclusive to next-gen. A shame to see you go, dude, but you've been really awesome in the end. I'm still into GTA, but not by much as I usually focus on edits on a regular basis. And no, I don't have any desire of being an admin for it, as it can only add more weight down my shoulders and will become swamped as a result of keeping the pages from future attacks by trouble-making users. All in all, best of luck on the outside world. JohnSignature 04:03, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Good luck and see you around :) DocVinewood (talk) 11:48, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sad to see you go. Best of luck and all the best. Sad to see others on the staff mentioning that they might resign too. I think once you lose interest in something whether it will be editing on here or on Wikia in general, then it is hard to get that interest back. I have tried numerous times to get back into editing, but after a few days I get bored and real life takes over as it should and I feel I don't have the time for it anymore. Messi1983 (talk) 00:44, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • It's sad to see you go. But what else can we do? It's okay considering that not everything is being on the wiki all the time. Sooner or later, our lifes takes form, and it means focusing on other important things and sucess, No?. Anyway. Take care, man and good luck. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 15:52, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

GTA Wiki To-Do ListEdit

Closed as successful by LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:55, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


Hey! So I was looking around the highly-thought-through, sophisticated Saints Row Wiki (along with the for now-anonymous boring-as-hell user), and I saw a really useful article (many in fact), a 'To Do list'. Now, I'm aware we do/did have a to do list, but in honesty, it hasn't been updated in donkey's years, so, I was thinking we could revamp it. Of course, only staff can edit and add to it (unless, of course, you prefer not, and anyone) (as long as all types of staff can edit it permanently). I'd keep on top of it, associating it with projects put forward here would be great, and should be mandatory tbh. Benefits? Well, many in fact, sometimes, things need to be addressed, and quite a few times I've been stumbled on what to do next (despite the fact I have my own 'mini to do list'), so this would help both users and staff.

Tell me what you think, yes, or no? Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 08:36, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Would be a good idea. There are a number of mission pages which definitely need a lot of work, and delegating tasks would be beneficial in the long run. Sam Talk 09:50, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Agree with Sam. MC My Computer Master Of Ceremonies 10:02, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • Brilliant! So, I've created a prototype, here, which, what I think works well, has subcategories, and furthermore, subheadings, to categorize the work into the type of work (e.g. vehicles, locations, missions, etc), and then distinguish (if applicable) what game the project or work focuses on, which are separated by headings. Took literally 5 minutes. See what you think :P Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 11:10, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
      • Looks good Monk. Hopefully we'll get more support. Sam Talk 12:29, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Good idea. One thing I would like to add is that the to do list page should bee divided into sections like Missions, Locations etc. This will make it easy for editors to find the page they can add more info about.Myth(Talk/Stalk) 14:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Excellent idea! I think we can get a lot done here, and do it efficently with other people picking up different tasks. I think it would make a much more "united" community here. Mortsnarg (talk) 15:55, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • I have plenty to add if this goes through sucessful :P If it does, I'll create the articles, and I will let users (along with myself) add anything they think should be listed as a project or as something we need to finish. Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 15:57, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sounds good. It would be beneficial for those pages that aren't checked for a long time. Agreed with that idea. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 16:06, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Have you seen the pages made before the community split? A.K.A everything relating to The Ballad of Gay Tony, and everything that came before it. Great idea. Leo68 (talk) 19:44, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • A wonderful idea myself I would say! Also, a good way to get the community to work together more! --Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 20:03, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Great idea. If we also could incorporate this to-do-list to the message that appears to every single new user every time they do their first edit it would also help a lot. DLVIII Talk 20:31, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • I was going to point that out lol. That'd be great, make it a big thing here, make it viewable from everywhere on the wiki, we need to make this big, and when somet's big, it needs to be fancy, great quality, and full of endless projects and work for anyone to contribute; keeps the edit counts up, keeps the work going, and best of all, keeps the wiki expanding :P Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 21:51, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • This should not even be a question :p I think this is an excellent idea since it will allow the wiki to be a bit more organized. A huge problem - and one of people's major complaints about the wiki - is that there is a lot of speculative/unsourced content which lowers the wiki's overall credibility. Speculation is being removed when it's spotted but there are still pages left to correct. I believe that a to-do list, such as adding references to anything even remotely questionable, would be a good start, and, as it was already said, it would get the community to help out more. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini­ 21:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Same as Sam and Hunter.-MythHunter 007 03:02, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Impatience* Could we get this closed as successful so I can start the project? Or am I granted permission to start it without it being closed as successful? (Seen as it's very likely to go through as yes anyway).  Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 19:47, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

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