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This noticeboard is for discussion and voting on changes to the wiki, reporting vandalism and wiki rule breaking, and reporting bad or unfair behaviour from GTA Wiki staff.
 
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Votes for the expiration of a Patroller's probation will also be held here.
   
 
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We currently have a lot of staff so there will be no more Patroller requests for a while. Current Patrollers may request to be promoted to Admin status by voting on the Requests for Promotion Page.
 
   
 
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== Anonymous Users Should be Allowed==
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==Probation Expiry - [[User:That Ferrari Guy|That Ferrari Guy]] (Patroller)==
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That Ferrari "Guy"'s probation is pretty much up so it's time for everyone to vote as to whether they think he has passed. Remember, only admins and bureaucrats can vote, patrollers and normal users may leave comments.
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====Votes====
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Affirmative''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 19:27, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 20:24, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <span style="background-color:white; border:4px ridge black; color:#FFFFFF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 04:46, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
   
::<font color=red>'''RESOLVED: Anonymous editing will ''not'' be allowed'''</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:28, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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====Comments====
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*I think you've done really well in your second probation period. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
I have noticed on many active wikis that anonymous users are allowed. And when you check some of these wiki's recent wiki activity you'll see that a large amount of edits are done by anonymous users. So what I'm trying to say is that GTA Wiki should allow unregistered users to edit freely. This would make the wiki much more active and encourage some of these anonymous users to sign up and become registered users. Sure there may be a vandal here and there, but with the large staff this could easily be stopped. And if possible, an admin or Bureaucrat could block the Anonymous User account for a week. Please consider this as I believe this could do great for the wiki.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:37, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*I believe that you have done an excellent job as a Patroller. I am quite confident that you will pass your probation. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 19:26, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
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*He did extremely well. Opened a little too early but tomorrow he won't be online till later (as far as I hear). Well done bud. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 19:27, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
   
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==Probation Expiry - [[User:TAlim 1994|TAlim 1994]] (Patroller)==
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Outcome: '''PASS'''
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:37, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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(Admins and Bureaucrats only)
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:42, June 8, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 12:44, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*'''NO''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 11:07, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <span style="background-color:white; border:4px ridge black; color:#FFFFFF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 12:29, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]])
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 16:34, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
*'''Oh Hell No - [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 13:26, June 9, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
*'''No''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup> 14:12, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' -[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 03:49, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*No [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:53, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 10:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:41, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
 
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*The GTA Myths Wiki as well as others I see allow anonymous users and I don't think it would be a big deal. We should try it out; but if there is lots of vandals then reverse it. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:42, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*Yeah, but what if some of them are anon vandals? [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 11:16, June 8, 2013 (UTC)
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*I have decided to take the liberty of setting up my own probation expiry vote to save other Staff the trouble. Please vote when you are able to. Thank you. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 10:51, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*Same as Mikey. It is not a secret that any second anon is a vandal: it is impossible to trust anons, at least in my eyes. Sure, Wikia is all about making a community, but anons are a different story. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 11:07, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*You've done very well during your probation and it would be good for you to continue. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*There will not be "a vandal here and there". There will be dozens of vandals per day. Just think about it this way - Wikia and Wikipedia tout their everyone-can-edit rule like it's a religion. For them to turn off anonymous editing completely on this wiki just proves the magnitude of the anonymous vandalism problem this wiki once had. In fact, I'd bet that even if this resolution passes, Wikia Staff would veto it. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 12:33, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
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*You made a good progress and you're efficient as a patroller. I say "yes". --<span style="background-color:white; border:4px ridge black; color:#FFFFFF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*We already have problems with registered users, unregistered users would bring even more problems. But I agree we should have more Admins. For example, there's some guy who is adding Fanon content and me and Jeansowaty are the only one who spotted him? I'm voting '''No'''. <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*You did great. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*'''We already have problems with registered users, unregistered users would bring even more problems''' - Sums it up perfectly. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 22:56, June 9, 2013 (UTC)
 
*As per Dan's last comment. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:53, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Well, that ended up quickly. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:02, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*thumbs up the last comment* - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:34, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I agree with Jeff and Dodo. While I do allow anonymous users to edit on the other Wiki's I run, this Wiki is just too big for that, there are already a lot of users, adding unregistered users to that would make this place almost unmanageable. I think I was the only one around when this Wiki was abandoned, pretty much every unregistered user was a vandal, and it took an incredible amount of time and work to get this Wiki to what it is now, allowing unregistered users will be a step backwards. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 10:00, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*In my opinion, I disagree but not at all. The bad part is, that each day we need to check if these new users are doing good edits, reasonable work, and don't messing up with the pages, we had a lot of problem with it. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:44, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==WE NEED MORE STAFF- Raise the Admin limit to 8==
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==Vehicle Variants System 2.0==
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Okay guys, you're probably going to shoot me for this, but I have a new idea. I suggested the idea (albeit hesitantly considering the outcome and affect it'd have on the Staff here) in Chat one evening with Leo, who agreed it was a fantastic idea. He agreed in a good manner and suggested I sent it to the Community Noticeboard to propose it. So, Leo, if you disagree now, I'm gonna kill you :P
   
::<font color=red>'''RESOLVED:''' Proposal to raise admin limit to 8 failed. </font><b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:29, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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The idea is, well, pretty simple really. Instead of shoving all the Variants into the same article of the main vehicle, create a sub-page "[Vehicle Name]/Variants" and list them all in there. I really think this makes it A LOT tidier. I have started my first example, [[User:Monkeypolice188/Experiments/2016 Variants Project|here]]. I did the Granger. On the Granger article, at the variants section, you'll notice a "Main" template, which will link you to the Variants sub-page which lists all the emergency counterparts. For navigational purposes, the 4 variants are listed at the top, the links send you to the parts of the page (try it out, "Press me!" :P).
   
Currently the GTA Wiki has '''3 Bureaucrat''', '''5 Admins''', & '''8 Patrollers. '''Once GTA V is fully released there will be a flood of new users. Some users will be good editors, some will unintentionally make mistakes and others will be vandals. My proposal would be to have one of 8 patrollers assigned to one of 8 admins. This would make it easy for one admin not to get overwhelmed with his duties. Of course patrollers could still contact another admin and fellow patrollers but this new reporting system would improve the responce time as in the past, vandals were not stoped for a while. It would almost be like individual teams that would make up the whole GTA staff.  I hope you all consider this great plan to assure a promt responce in any situation that could damage the GTA Wiki. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:52, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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Now, I separated the pages with a "<nowiki>----</nowiki>" bar to make it clearer where each vehicle ends. I really like this system, and I'm confident it would work for many vehicles (only ones I'm concerned about are where we draw the line as what counts as a variant (example, Phantom and Rubble?), as well as when a vehicle crosses the Universe boundary but doesn't count as a variant in one of the Universes.
===Proposal===
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*3 Bureaucrats
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So, please, this is '''not''' a vote, as for now, I'm just letting you comment to see what you think. Again, this is only an alpha (not even beta) project, I want to see what you think.
*8 Admins (assigned one patroller)
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*8 Patrollers (assigned one admin)
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Oh, one more thing, '''this is not a place to start an argument'''. If we start arguing in an uncivil manner, I'll simply close it and delete the project. Just tell me what you think, and if I get good reception, '''maybe''' I'll turn it into a vote.
*Staff total: 19 (18.75% increase)
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===Votes===
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Tar lads. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 12:02, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:52, June 10, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
*'''Yes and No''' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 04:12, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:29, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:59, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No -''' <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]] 07:20, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:15, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Probably''' - [[User:Cloudkit01|Cloudkit01]] ([[User talk:Cloudkit01|talk]]) 03:57, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 13:45, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No - '''[[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Leave me a message]]) 14:33 ,June 12, 2013
 
   
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*As I stated above this proposal is about further limiting the potential damage vandals and confussed users can do on the wiki. This "team" system will also allow for a faster responce time and more organized effort to secure the GTA Wiki agginst potential threats.
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*I think it is a good idea. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 12:25, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
*I partially agree with this. I do agree that we need three more admins and patrollers to keep the Wiki smooth running. However, the staff can't be on the Wiki all day. We have lives outside the Interweb and the Wiki. That's a problem (and I contribute to that) that will never be resolved. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 04:09, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
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*From what I see on the Granger examples, that would mean that pages like "Park Ranger", "FIB Granger", "Lifeguard SUV", etc. would no longer exist and be instead merged into "Granger/Variants" page. Correct? If so, no, never. They are separated for a reason, and it's pretty obvious a specific vehicle is a variant anyway - a mention such as "Main Article: [vehicle]" and a very short paragraph would be enough. It's good as it is now, and things like that are usually '''''very volatile''''' as evidenced from past votes/ideas. IMHO it would be a better idea to split everything, instead of having a hacky system of vehicle subsections like Kuruma (Armored), Insurgent Pick-Up, Rusty Rebel etc. have now - that would save the time and confusion of making and reading these pages - but the last time we agreed that only select vehicles would end up like the examples I mentioned so that would bring an end to these sort of ideas, and arguments resulting from them, which is why it'd be better to leave it as it is. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 12:55, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
*I don't really see any logic in assigning patrollers to certain admins to report an issue. I don't think any admins are getting "overwhelmed". And about raising the amount of admins to eight seems a little high, but the release of GTA V may call for this. I'm not sure. I'll think about it. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:29, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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**Yeah I agree. I was pretty hesitant myself when writing this and hence why i've only decided to right this more than a month after he suggested I put it forward. Again, it's just an idea and not something I'm insisting should be done. I only insist when I'm fully confident :P <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 14:23, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
*We already have enough admins and bureacrats to cover the different times zones, except the far east. The only new additions to the Bureacrat and Admin team should be from the far west or far east, so that we have strong coverage for each time zone. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 06:59, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
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*Your proposal is intriguing, but I must admit that it sounds like a monumental change, and not one which should be implemented on a whim. As "[[User:WildBrick142|Wildbrick142]]" has said, it will not be a good idea to merge all the pages of different variants of vehicles that have substantially different stock performance specifications. Instead I would suggest creating a "Variants" heading on the page of the base vehicle, creating a sub-heading for each variant of the vehicle, adding a "Main" template that links to the vehicle page for that variant, and inserting a concise description on how the variant differs from the base vehicle. Also, a "Disambiglink" template should be placed at the start of the page of each variant, stating something along the lines of "For the vehicle that the [Variant Name] is based on, see [Base Vehicle Name]". [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 07:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
*I agree we should have more admins, yesterday we were 3 active patrollers who spotted that vandal, but we couldn't stop him until an Admin logged in. Since I'm one of the patrollers who wants to be promoted in the future, my vote won't count anyway. Also, 8 Admins seems a little too much, in my opinion 7 would be enough.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> <sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>[[User talk:Dodo8|Talk]]</span>''</sup>
 
*Yeah, I think it would be a good idea to have more admins, but as Dodo said, it would be a bit too much with 8. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|VaultBoy Tom]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk to me this way]]) 11:38, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*We don't need more admins, but we do need more patrollers: 6 admins is enough (for now) and our cuurent limit for patrollers is 8 anyway (so your proposal doesn't increases this limit). I personally think that limit for patrollers should be increased to 12.-- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 13:10, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I agree with Ilan. That's why we're currently allowing requests to become a patroller. But I think we have enough admins at the moment. It's exam time for some admins, hence the current inactivity of me among others, so that may explain why nobody was available at the time. We can revisit this idea in a couple of months, if it's still an issue then we may implement some changes. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 13:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
**We will check this issue during the summer holiday. If there will be periods of time when no staff will be present I consider we should agree to make the staff bigger.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*Okay, a couple of points.
 
**First of all, Dodo, your vote does count.
 
**Secondly, I believe we should discuss whether to take on a new admin when GTA V is released, or a little beforehand, so we can deal with the inevitable bad edits, vandalism, arguments over content, and new members.
 
**Thirdly, this idea of assigning a patroller to a certain admin is not logical, and is ridiculous in my opinion. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 19:26, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I hadn't read the part about patrollers assigned to admins. I agree with Dan on that, and on everything else he said. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 09:48, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Not sure if this is the place to put this, but admins and bureacrats do have those boxes urging people to message us. If any one of our editors actually left me a message I would have been able to come and sort out the issue. When I was patrolling I would send messages to every last admin; if other editors did so as well, there would be a greater chance of a quick solution. I still believe that if we do we need an admin, they should be at least GMT +5. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 20:40, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Good point. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 09:48, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
*If we're having more admins, make it one more, not three. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 22:50, June 10, 2013 (UTC)
 
*My whole logic is that patrollers really don't have any power to stop an aggressive vandal which is why we need more editors with blocking power. The number 8 for admins makes sense since there will be 8 patrollers. The problem isn't that there is not enough patrollers, but rather there isn't enough admins. Adding three admins would fill the gaps that are missing at the moment. As it is there are vandals; once V is out, bet that number to double. Everyone has there own time they are active, so more admins would further protect the wiki. The time is now to be prepared for the near future. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:39, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* The thing about admins is that being an administrator is a much bigger deal than being a patroller. Administrators have to be patient, reliable, responsible, and knowledgeable about GTA Wiki's policies - even the unpopular ones like the [[GTA Wiki:Image Policy|Image policy]]. We've promoted one admin who would plead with vandals to pleasepleaseplease be nice instead of blocking them while they laughed in his face and kept vandalizing, and we've promoted one admin who wasn't even remotely qualified and ended up getting demoted for saying there was ''nothing for him to do''. That's why I'm very hesitant when it comes to promoting people to admin, and to opening promotion back up again. Opening up a position for one more administrator is something I'd probably vote in favor of if someone made that proposal, but another thing I want to make clear - an empty spot doesn't guarantee that any particular person's going to get the position, and an empty spot doesn't mean that there's any great urgency to fill that spot. Admins need to be qualified and reliable. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 13:44, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I agree with you. Being an admin doesn't make you god of that wiki. Most wikis I visit just to read have a crap load of admins, yet, they don't do a damn thing. Promoting someone an admin, they will go AWOL then causes disturbances and disputes. If we ever do promote a Patroller to Admin, we can't take their word for it; we need to check if the user has good, quality edits and check if the user is on good terms. As for the Patrollers, we are only given the Rollback tool Chat blocking tool. What you said about how they (we) can't stop aggressive vandals, that could be a problem. Even worse if there are no admins active. This request on this noticeboard is a yes and no to others and I and when it closes, this is something I could look back on after the release of GTA V. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 18:02, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* I'm voting '''Yes''' because of what Sasquatch just said. Once GTA V is out there will be more confused new users and vandals. It would be smarter to get new admins now and prepare, rather than later.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 16:58, June 11, 2013 (UTC)
 
* What about the proposal to assign on admin to one patroller? My first point was that this would improve the responce time to a vandal. What I was also thinking was that it would make sure admins and patrollers are very involved, and performing their job. Of course taking a couple days off is normal, but this new system would weed out the editors that have lost interest and would freeup positions for enthusiastic editors. We could also have a reward system where the team with the most edits that month get a badge or some recognition in the wiki community. The team system would not only be a fun reward system, but a functional tool to make sure everyone is performing in their position. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:39, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
::As both I and other people have said, if anyone catches a rampaging vandal (by which I mean someone vandalizing as many pages as he can manage, not just a drive-by vandal) they shouldn't edit war with the vandal - they should inform ''all'' of the admins and b'crats and then completely ignore the vandal. Even if the vandal gets fresh and tries to remove the message, the admins will still get the "you have new messages waiting" and have the sense to check their talk page history to see what's going on if they don't see any new messages. There's no reason to assign patrollers to individual admins. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 02:59, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Ok ok, what about we raising at least to 1 more bureaucrat, and 2 admins? That wouldn't be a bad idea...
 
PS.: Arrrrrghhhh I don't have much time to see the new updates, beacause the school is killing me (not really, but you know right...). Bloody hell, I'll try to check posts, this friday ok? [[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Leave me a message]]) 14:33, June 12, 2013
 
**There'll always have to be an odd number of bureaucrats, since there are occasional bureaucrat-only votes. And what I said about promoting people to admin goes double for promoting them to b'crat. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:55, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I thought better and I changed my vote to '''No'''. I believe we should have 1 or 2 more admins, and maybe a few more patroller, but is fine for now.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
   
<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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==Toning Down Trivia==
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Alright, well it's been discussed [http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/GTA_Wiki:Community_Noticeboard/Archive_3 in the past], so to make it short: let's take it easy on the trivia and reserve it for stuff we have not seen. Pages, such as the [[Heavy Revolver]] for example (which I have fixed since), had information that was best well fit in the derscription section. Other pages contain trivia that was already mentioned, too obvious, speculative (most of the time), or in some cases, it was not even worth mentioning. I just want to get the community a heads-up to tone down the trivia and to make sure that the information you found regarding to a specific page is best suited in the description, appearance, etc.
   
==Affiliation with Watch Dogs Wiki==
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--'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 18:21, January 18, 2016 (UTC) 
   
::<font color=orange>'''RESOLVED''': The margin of support falls short of the 70% required to enact the affiliation</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 01:20, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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===Comments===
I know since the beginning of time this wiki has been running completely on its own. The [http://watch-dogs.wikia.com/wiki/Watch_Dogs_Wiki Watch Dogs Wiki] has many similarities with GTA wikia; it uses similar framework as I quite like the GTA wiki setup and similar category networks. I think it would be nice if we could get some more editors interested in editing there. I don't want to put too much emphasis on the affiliation so just a picture link on the main page somewhere would be all. Also linking the two titles together could be beneficial to readers, as the two games share a lot in common as well. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:04, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
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*Agreed. Some of the GTA IV mission pages are the worst offenders for "trivia" I've seen. I'm all for Trivia sections but I personally think a section with one or two relevant facts is better than 20 irrelevant facts. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 19:01, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
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*Sounds good. [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 19:37, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
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*I completely agree that the trivia should be reserved for important and relevant facts regarding the article it refers to, but I should also point out that what one user regards as "important" might not be regarded as such by another, which may lead to potentially ugly disputes. Perhaps general guidelines for what should and should not be added to the trivia of each category of article (missions, characters, businesses, etc.) should be created to preempt such disputes. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font face="Segoe Script" color="Ghostwhite"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 14:42, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
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**[[GTA Wiki:Trivia|Here]]'s the official policy on Trivia. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 15:30, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
   
:Since (as of this post) the proposal has not quite enough votes to pass but does have majority support, as well as sporadic voter participation, it shall remain open for a few extra days. Proposals need 70% support to succeed, this one currently has 62.5%. Patrollers and admins who have not voted because they don't care are allowed to vote "no preference", "no opinion", "indifferent" or something similar. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:34, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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==Resignation==
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I think it's time for me to move on and resign as administrator, as I'm busy IRL to edit here and I've also been losing interest in the GTA series lately. Besides, it's fair for the most active patrollers to leave an open admin spot so one of them can be promoted. I'm not leaving the wiki, I will still edit here, but just not as often. Good luck everybody, and see you around :) [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 10:59, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
::5 days and one additional 'no' vote later, I'm closing this as a failed proposal. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 01:20, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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:Sheesh. Sorry to hear that my friend. You've been great here man. I've always looked up to you as a great admin. Have a great New Year and enjoy your life :) take care buddy. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 11:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
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:Sorry to see you go Doc but I can fully understand why. Look after yourself and hopefully you'll be back soon. Happy New Year. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 14:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
   
===Votes===
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::Thanks for you comments, and happy New Year to you as well :) [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 16:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC) 
*'''Yes''' - '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:07, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
*'''Yes - '''[[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Message]]) 15:52, June 13, 2013
 
*'''Yes -''' <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:50, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]])
 
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 14:13, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 14:02, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
===Comments===
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:::Sorry to see you go Doc. You've been great here and we really are thankful for the thousands of spectacular images you've added here. I also feel your case, as I myself am not as active as before and am losing interest in GTA as well, mostly because I'm focusing on other things in life and my future game and don't have much time for video games in general now. As I always said they're better things in life than video games. The only reason I'm not resigning is because I'm afraid to leave the wiki and all sorts of shit start up here such as vandals and what not. Anyways, I hope you find what you're looking for in life and have a happy new year.[[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:42, December 31, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*It doesn't really important if the two titles share similar features, as even the wikis with the most different subjects can become affiliated. I do think, however, this is a very good idea and may open a door us to affiliate with more Wikis. -- '''[[User:Ilan xd|ILan]] (<small>[[User talk:Ilan xd|XD]] &bull; [[Special:Contributions/Ilan xd|Edits]] &bull; [[w:c:rockstargames|Home]] </small>)''' 16:07, June 12, 2013 (UTC)
 
*To say Watch Dogs Wiki should be an affiliate to the GTA Wiki really makes no sense. It is not related to GTA in any way; that alone should be the deal killer. Saints row is a GTA clone, and has very similar attributes, but it is not GTA and therefore should not be able to tap into the GTA network. Grand Theft Answers and Rockstar Games Wiki should really be the ones considered affiliates at the moment. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:58, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
*#You don't seem to understand the affiliation concept; (as ILan pointed out) the topics don't have to be similar in order for an affiiliation to be made; do some research - look at other wikis that belong to affiliate groups. One thing that I love about Wikia is the community that exists and the various wikis with interesting information, social integration is something tha we could do with, for our own editors and maybe to attract new talent.
 
*#Plus it would be good for readers to have quicker access to other wikis that we affiliate with. Limiting our affiliation just to GTA-related wikis, kind of defeats the object of community integration and linking.
 
*#<span style="line-height:21px;">"</span>''It is not related to GTA in any way''<span style="line-height:21px;">" - a view that indicates little research done before speaking. I suggest people do some research before voting if they wish to agree with this statemnt. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 09:39, June 13, 2013 (UTC)</span>
 
*Well I see no problem to affiliate with other wiki, and plus as Ilan said, it's a good idea... [[User:Istalo|istalo]] ([[User talk:Istalo|Message]]) 15:52, June 13, 2013
 
*It's a good idea! Also, we should list the Rockstar Games Wiki too.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*Go ahead. And like Dodo said, you should add the [http://rockstargames.wikia.com/Main_Page Rockstar Games Wiki] too. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 17:50, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Credit to Sasquatch, it was his idea :) <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
**In that case, good idea Sasquatch. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:52, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Thanks. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
**@Jbanton, You have a real pissy tone in your responce to the comment I made which is a sign that you are a very insecure person. Now thats out of the way, you should look at the wikis that are GTA wiki affiliates and note it's only GTA related.  I very much understand the affiliates concept as I was the one who lobbied for an affiliates section on this wiki. I know you have been fighting to get your foot in the door over at "watch dogs wiki" as an admin, but that is no reason to use the GTA Wiki name as a way to boost activity on an ill qualified wiki. YOU who should be looking out for this wiki, not others you are trying to boot activity on for your own reputation. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 02:18, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
**#We don't have affiliates, hence why I have this proposal here.
 
**#You really should research; I've been an admin there for a little while actually, your misconceptions and naivety ''("use the GTA Wiki name as a way to boost activity on an ill qualified wiki")'' are uncalled for and poorly founded.
 
**#GTA Wiki belongs to Wikia, editors don't have to pledge full allegiance to one topic. Also this is not the place for (poorly researched) personal atacks. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 07:04, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
***Stop it, guys. You're part of the GTA Staff, you shouldn't fight eachother.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
***Enough! No more personal attacks. Both of you need to calm down.  - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:34, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I'm not sure if we are allowed to add amendments or that sort of thing to proposals, but could we also affiliate with other Rockstar title wikis, such as [[w:c:reddead|Read Dead Wiki]] and Midnight Club wiki? [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 17:19, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Nah, I think we should be affiliated or "allied" to Wikis only with the Rockstar Games as the developer/publisher, Watch Dogs could be a nice game but it has nothing to share with GTA. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:49, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*It's nothing against Watch Dogs Wiki, but in my experience "affiliated wikis" never leads to anything good and usually leads to a fight between the wikis when malcontents from one jump over to the other and start causing problems. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 03:12, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I think so, because then we can build a bridge in a way for larger communitys joining the Watch Dogs wiki and to here as well. [[User:Instulent|Instulent]] ([[User talk:Instulent|talk]]) 14:15, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This has now run for a little over a week. Five votes in favour versus three against. I'm guessing this can be closed as the motion having passed. I have taken on board Jeff's comment and will do my best to ensure that nonsene and trolls are not shared, mainly by stamping them out in the first place at the affiliated wiki. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 07:54, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Edit Requirement==
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::::I'm sorry to hear this Doc, but I understand. Happy New Year for you and your family ! [[User:General9913|General9913]] ([[User talk:General9913|talk]]) 21:07, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
::<font color=red>'''FAILED'''</font> - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 04:30, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
I've noticed that some staff members (I won't name names) are inactive sometimes. So to ensure that the GTA Wiki staff is active and doing their job properly, we should have a "three strike rule". What I'm saying is that  if a staff member didn't produce 30 edits at the end of the month, that person would recieve "a strike". And if that peticular staff member recieved three stikes in one year, he or she would be demoted. This sytem would make sure every staff member is quallified for their job and flush out the ones who are not. This would also possibly open up staff positions for people who are quallified for the job, rather than the ones who are not. For an active and quallified staff member 30 edits a month should not be a problem; if it is, then you are not cut out for the job and are just holding up precious staff positions. One edit a day is not too much to ask for. And to make sure every staff member is producing 30 edits a month, three trusted editors at the end f each month whould check every one of the staffs contributions.
 
====Proposition:====
 
*30 edits are required each month by a staff member.
 
*If 30 edits are not executed, that staff member will recieve a strike.
 
*If a staff member recieves three strikes in a year, he or she is demoted.
 
*Edit counters - Three trusted staff members who check the staff's contributions each month.
 
Please vote and leave a comment. Thankyou.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:44, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
===Votes===
 
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:47, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*'''No''' - <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:58, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 12:50, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No''' - <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Absolutely Not''' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 15:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes, great idea!''' --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''No '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:23, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)'''
 
   
===Comments===
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{{RI}} It's a shame to see you go, Doc. I understand your point about being busy, but hey, you made it very well here, and that matters. Anyway, have a great one over there :D --<span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:System;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 03:32, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
*I think this is a great idea, and is an easy edit requirement for a staff member. [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 03:47, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This would be useless if the staff member knows the rule. It ain't that hard to produce 30 edits a month.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*Thirty edits are quite easy to produce, and the staff are required to have administration skills, not just editing. Also the introduction of the system would penalise users who produce edits that add a lot to articles, but come in lower amounts. Finally, we have the sixty day rule, so I don't think the addition of a new system is really necessary. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 12:57, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*Unnecessarily bureaucratic. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 14:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
*So let me get this straight, you want to demote Staff members that are inactive for a month? What about users who have a reason for being inactive? Is Messi going to be demoted because of his medical reasons? Is Jeff going to be demoted because he in in West Virginia? Am I going to be demoted because I can't edit all the time because I'm on vacation? Seems to me that you didn't quite think this out wholly. There is a rule on the [[GTA Wiki:Staff]] page for users who are inactive for no given reasons. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 15:25, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
**Tony is right. Next year I will be in the eighth grade. In my country, we have to learn very, very, very much for the Romanian and Maths exams, which are very difficult. I won't be active all day during this period, but I'll try to check the wiki at least once a day. Being a staff member doesn't means you have to produce many edits, but to keep the wiki off vandals and check issues.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
**Tony said all of what I wanted to say. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:27, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I really agree with this idea, it was one of the most brilliant ideas I ever saw, so, there's a lot of "newbies" who been keeping a hard work in the edits and they have not the chance to become a standard (so sorry). And if one of the staff member did not his part in a month, he should be "expelled". In my part I think things have been done good, the 1000 edits in March and I really excuse my absence in the months of April and May in cause of someones death in my family. Today no one of the staff's member is going inactive so that's good. So sorry about the newbies but I agree with your idea and I think your idea needs to be applied. Like Dodo I'm too in the eight grade and I need to learn a lot but, I always try to help the Wikia meanwhile these days.. --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:59, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
::I believe those who are extremely inactive (not editing for more than a few months; not responding to messages) should be considered for demotion, but "strike" thingy would be too difficult to accomplish.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
:::Users such as Bob.cutlass2, Haruhi, and GTANiKo are prime examples of long inactive users. The "strikes" effect is problematic and unprofessional, it's like playing baseball. Each users' contributions should be checked, should the users go inactive without any reasons. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 18:34, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
::::We have a policy that says anyone who goes inactive for 3 months is automatically demoted to patroller. As far as people who are barely active but who edit just often enough to keep from getting demoted, I suppose the way to handle that would be for someone to file a request for demotion against them. But what kind of work they do should also be taken into consideration, as should whether they intend to become active again when GTAV comes out. It can be assumed that editors who get promoted are among the best of editors, and punishing them for not being active should be done reluctantly. <b>[[User:McJeff|Jeff]]</b> ([[User_talk:McJeff|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|stalk]]) 23:00, June 17, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
::::This sounds like a great idea to keep the wiki running strongly. I think the 30 edit requirement is fine, and if someone can't even tack up 30 edits a month then they have probably lost interest altogether. Waiting for V shouldn't be an excuse for long periods of not contributing, or very little as we are all waiting for V and there are still plenty of things to improve apon. It's a yes for me it really shouldn't scare anyone that is activley involved. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 04:53, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
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It's a shame the year ends with another resignation. Can't say I'm not disappointed, Doc, you've done great things here, but I can understand your reasoning. Good luck. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 06:05, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
*This concept is massively flawed. Firstly, an editor could write 20 complete articles in a month, and be given a strike for inactivity, that's ludicrous. It isn't about the edit count, it's about the significance of each edit. Secondly, we have a policy in place, and we demote inactive users, the current system is much more professional. The three strike idea is such a primary school concept. I could think of more flaws in this idea, but that's redundant now, I think I've got my point across. <font size="+1.5" face="Trajan Pro"><b>[[User:The Tom|Tom]]</b></font> [[User talk:The Tom|<sup><u>Talk</u></sup>]] 11:07, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
*I know this wiki doen't like change, but I suggested this idea in the first place because I believe the current one (which is that you'll be demoted if you're inactive for three months) isn't working. I hate to say, but Winter Moon abuses the current rule by doing one or two edits a month just to keep his admin position. If this new rule was put into place he would be gone quickly, opening up an admin position for a patroller who deserves it. This rule would keep this from happening again. Sure the rule can bend a bit if your on vacation or something, or you have many large edits. But five large edits a month I believe aren't enough to be part of the staff. Being part of the staff is a priveledge, not a right.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 05:40, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
:It also seems unfair that if you can't contribute 30 edits, you are demoted. What about Winter Moon? He is out, yet he can still edit here snd there to maintain his position and stay active. If you see my rant similar to this, you'll see what I'm talking about. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 11:18, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 
:::To exemplify what Tom, was saying; If a user makes only twenty-five edits like [http://gta.wikia.com/Unnamed_Truck?diff=prev&oldid=430921 this], [http://gta.wikia.com/Dewbauchee_GT?diff=prev&oldid=383188 this] or [http://gta.wikia.com/Maibatsu_Sports_Coup%C3%A9?oldid=422600 this], they would still be punsihed although they had gone to the effort of adding over half a gigabyte's worth of information. The system is fine as it is. [[User:JBanton|JBanton]] ([[User talk:JBanton|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/JBanton|Contribs]]) 08:48, June 19, 2013 (UTC)
 
*This vote has ended, but I feel I need to add my two cents on this. So here it goes. Winter Moon has not abused any rule. He has every right to edit as little as possible, as he might be busy with his life outside this wiki. That is what some people can never fathom on here, people have lives outside this wiki. I hope a stupid proposal like this never pops up again. If it does, I shall delete it immediately, as in my opinion, it is nothing but trolling. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:41, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
**I agree. Not only it is trolling, but it is ''greed''. This purposal is actually wanting inactive staff to go demoted so current patrollers or normal good editors can apply for promotion. In a way, you, Messi, were inactive due to medical reasons. That's excuseable. Most staff go inactive without any reasons (sans Winter Moon). Hypotheticly speaking, if this purposal came to fruitition, inactive admins would go inactive and it would have made room for patrollers, wanting to become admin so badly. Same thing for patrollers; I'm inactive, but I have a reason for that. If I get demoted, Instulent and/or Kingrrhem would get my position. That's is just greed and it is awfully unfair and wrong. [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 23:45, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
==Edit guide for new users who don't know how to edit and use the Wikia==
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It is sad to see you go. You have been a great admin. It was nice having you around here. [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Please leave your threats here]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Wanna Stalk?]]) 21:28, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
: '''<font color = blue>Idea extended below this purposal</font> --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:12, June 26, 2013 (UTC) 
 
So, let put the cards on the table, I have an idea and I think it should be applied. The point is, new users ( a lot of people with less then 10 edits who started their accounts few days ago ) and they simply start editing the pages, without to have the knowledge and sense, how it works and how to use the Wikia ( edits formation, use of the talk page ). That's why I started to "keep an eye" in these users, normally I check the Wiki Activity everyday and I see edits from newbies, 50% from these edits are completely wrong, ( having nothing to share with gta, catastrophic grammar, messing up the pages ) and unfortunately I need to revert it, after this I always post in their talk pages a little advice and help how to edit and they don't even answer it. So my idea is, when someone creates an account, he/she should receive a edit guide and read it all before start editing in the Wikia, that should help them. I appreciate your positive acknowledgment.
 
--'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 20:31, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 
   
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==Probation Expiry - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth hunter]] (Patroller)==
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'''''Closed as successful by '''''[[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
 
===Votes===
 
===Votes===
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:36, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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(Admins and Bureaucrats only)
*''Yes'' - [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 15:56, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 17:24, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes''' - [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 06:08, June 26, 2013 (UTC)
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*'''Yes '''- [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''Yes''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 19:46, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
   
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===Comments===
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(Everyone)
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*At first his edits were okay, then they dropped a bit, but he's managed to pick it up lately, and he ''did'' tell me his internet was causing issues in logging in, etc, so we can't exactly blame some of his inactivity, He'll fair well as a Patroller and makes good contributions, as well as reinforces the policies and always informs me about vandals to block. He's very useful in chat too, blocked many sockpuppets lately. He's a great Patroller, and I'm sure if the internet issues are fixed, he'll become active even more. Good luck Myth :) <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*Though I've been absent and a lot less active recently sadly, I know Myth has improved a lot since his first time. He deserves the position without a doubt. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
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*Really did improve since the last probabtion expiry. You have my '''''yes''''' in spirit. :) --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 19:45, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
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*Activity was the only issue before, and that has been fixed. With my vote as the sixth yes, I am closing it as successful. Congratulations, Myth hunter. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
   
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==Mission Numbers in Infoboxes==
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:'''''Closed as <span style="color:red">Unsuccessful</span> by [[User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188]]'''''.
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So earlier I was thinking we could have Mission Numbers in the infoboxes of missions, because the ''"this is the first mission given to [a] by [b]''" can be slightly misleading or misinterpreted at first. This wouldn't be that hard and I can really only see it following how either the GTASeriesVideos name them, '''OR''' the order they ard listed on the main "''Missiins in [gams]''" article. Essentially, it makes navigation easier, makes identifying any referencs to mission numbers '''outside''' GTA Wiki easier to understand, and gives missions a simpler ordering system.
   
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What do you think? <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 09:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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===Votes===
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*'''<s>Neutral</s> No''' - [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 12:10, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Neutral''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Please leave your threats here]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Wanna Stalk?]]) 12:59, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''No''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
 
===Comments===
 
===Comments===
*Then, as well as the "Welcome" automated message, there should be an automated "Edit guide" too. Not sure every newbie'd read it anyways, but it's worth giving a try. [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 20:38, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
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*If you're adding mission numbers, then you're establishing a mission sequence, is it that what you mean? I didn't get your point.Because if it is, only thing I can say is that it's a sandbox game, players can choose whatever sequence they want. I see the "unlocked by" and "unlocks" thing working pretty well on infoboxes, so there's no need for mission numbers yet. Staying neutral untill further explanations. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 12:10, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
*Actually, I thought of something even better that that flimsy automated message and the Edit Guide....... '''A Welcome/Greet New Users Template. '''I will create it. It will say the usual good faith of new users and ones new to Wikia, the Wikia Editing Guide link, Contents of GTA Wiki (i.e. Vehicles, Weapons, Characters etc. organized in links to take them into category pages about the such. If they need any help, I will provide the links to the Staff rank category page. How's that? Best Idea so far? [[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:27, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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**Well, that is what I mean, but there is evidently some kind of sequence, somehow, because how are experienced Youtubers numbering them? And there's clearly an order, Rockstar ordering missions in the "Replay Mission" feature. It'd be really useful, but now you mention the "Unlocked by" and "Unlocks", I think I might close this, as that's good enough tbh. <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 12:17, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
:*Good idea, T. [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 10:17, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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:::I've not seen so many videos walkthroughs in YT other than the ones that I used to get some mission screenshots, but I guess they just pick one of the available missions and start a video for it. That's not a sequence, or at least it should not be followed. I agree about using the sequence from the "Replay Mission" in [[Missions in GTA V]] though. Do not close the discussion yet, let's just wait for other users to vote. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 12:47, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
:*Nice one T, that would be even more better. - --'''[[User:Thomas0802|Thomas0802]] ([[User talk:Thomas0802|talk]]-[[Special:Contributions/Thomas0802|Edits]])''' 17:10, June 22, 2013 (UTC)
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*I staying neutral on this one. On one hand I agree that a number is better than "This is the first mission (a) gave to (b)". But the only problem is that Their is not any exact order in which the missions are played. If this request is successful, I would support to use the same order as on the "Mission in (game)" page. [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Please leave your threats here]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Wanna Stalk?]]) 12:59, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
:*Sounds good. [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 03:49, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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*Honestly, I don't see the point in this. Most missions have no specific order so what could be Mission #45 for someone would be #46 or #47, etc. , for someone else. We have navboxes and unlocked by/after already as well, and they do the job fine. What we could do is tweak the mission giver line to feature an "Expand" button that shows all missions available from the boss or rewrite all headings to make them less confusing while retaining the information. Following GTASeriesVideos in regards to mission numbering is exactly the same as following the average GTAO Youtuber: speculation. The only factual mission numbering is from R* themselves.<br /><br />btw, mission sequence in GTA V's replay menu is not reliable. Many missions can be placed differently, depending on when you do them - Chop for example can be done before Complications or after Complications, and it will be placed on the list whenever you do them. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 13:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
:*This sounds like a good idea.  [[User:Boomer8|Boomer8]] ([[User talk:Boomer8|talk]]) 04:24, June 23, 2013 (UTC)
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*Since the only thing I agreed was the Replay Mission sequence, and it's not reliable, I'm changing to "No". In addition, I see no problem to mention "this is the [first, second, third, fourth and so on] mission to [protagonist] by [mission giver]", that's the only sequence we actually have. We can improve the "unlocked by"/"unlocks" by adding a feature used at some mission articles in GTA SA, such as [[Sweet's Girl]] (see the bottom of the page), particularly for mission series ([[The Truth (mission series)]] for example). Thoughts?. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 14:21, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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**Okay okay...I didn't realise that the missions were not in the same order for everyone, as I didn't realise that depending on what mission you do first, it effects the order numbers. Sorry... <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 14:50, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
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==Character Manual of Style change==
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'''''Closed as ''successful'' by '''''[[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
==The "Welcome New Users" Template Layout==
 
In continuation of [[User:Thomas0802|Tom's]] purposal above, I had concocted an idea on how to make new users of GTA Wiki or Wikia, in general. The '''Welcome New Users '''Template. This new template will replace the currently used (and bland) "Welcome" automated message and will make the user understand what is done around here or around in Wikia.
 
   
I am still writing the template's coding, but I am not going to reveil it because if I do and this purposal gets all "''No's''", it will just be a waste of time, vice versa, if "''Yes's''" are a majority of the "''No's''", then I will reveil it.
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Good day. After a discussion with "[[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]]" regarding the [[GTA Wiki:Manual of Style/Characters|Manual of Style for characters]], I have decided to propose a change to it to place the gallery before the trivia, as apparently all other Manuals of Style have the format as such, with the one for characters being the only one with the trivia before the gallery. Please vote and discuss this.
   
Here is the template's layout will be:
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[[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 19:34, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
*'''"Welcome to GTA Wiki!" '''
 
**'''Introduction about the wiki and what's on here'''
 
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*'''"Contents" --What we have on the wiki; category (or other) links to them.'''
 
**'''GTA Games'''
 
**'''Characters'''
 
**'''Weapons'''
 
**'''Vehicles (With the Manual of Style/Vehicles description/link alongside it.)'''
 
*'''"Policies" --Brief introduction about the policies. If they want to see it all, there will be a link to it. Also, an Edit Guide (if we have one).'''
 
**'''~~Number of the common policies'''
 
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*'''Contacting the Staff'''
 
**'''Patrollers'''
 
**'''Admins'''
 
**'''Bureaucrats'''
 
*'''"Outroduction" --good faith/luck to the new editors'''
 
   
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===Votes===
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 20:00, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 21:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 23:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 23:21, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span></font>]] [[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Courier"><span style="color:#DBA901">My</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Monoface"><span style="color:#848484">Master</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Of</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Ceremonies</span></font>]] 00:32, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:12, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 10:23, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 11:39, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:27, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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*Trivia usually is last (many wikis are laid out like this), and it looks a lot neater, so I agree with this change. Manual of Style for Missions would need a change, too, since that one also says that gallery is last. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]] 21:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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**This should also be applied to the MoS for neighborhoods and weapons. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 23:23, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Needless to say. That's what I've been doing since I started editing here. [[User:Thegtaseeker96|Thegtaseeker96]] ([[User talk:Thegtaseeker96|talk]]) 23:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sure. It was odd to have the Trivia before gallery, which is contrary to the actual one. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 23:21, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
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*I also have been placing the gallery before the trivia on a lot of different articles since I joined the wikia. I don't know why, but placing the gallery at the very botton of the page always looked "ugly" to me. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 02:12, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Since I joined the Wiki I've always been placing Trivia sections at the foot of the page, just as a given. With regards to the MoS, it is mainly a guideline I don't think it needs to be followed to the letter as the most important points in a page is the correct information and correctly licenced and named images, but if this change will clear up any grey areas then I'm all for it. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 10:23, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*Everyone basically pointed out all my concerns, as an admin. No need to comment anything else :P <font size="4" face="Tahoma"><b>[[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]]</b></font> <font face="Tahoma"><sup>[[User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk]]</sup></font> 16:27, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
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*I am closing this proposal as successful, and I will make changes to the Manual of Style for missions and characters. I must admit that I am a slight bit cheesed off about this change (even though I proposed it), as I will now need to return to several character articles that I have created following the (now invalid) Manual of Style for characters, and change the format. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
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**I have now made the changes and updated the [[The Informant|two]] [[The Dossier Carrier|pages]] with galleries that I created using the old Manual of Style for characters. [[User:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my User page.">TAlim 1994<font color="White"> - Konan T-A Lim</font></span>]] ([[User talk:TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to visit my Talk page.">talk</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/TAlim 1994|<span title="Click this link to see the contributions that I have made.">contributions</span>]]) 17:44, November 14, 2015 (UTC)
   
I think it is possible to replace the current automated message with this template in mediawiki.css, but we have to find out first. This will familiarize new users, who are new to editing, to understand how things work around here, where to contact staff members if vandal bombardment is going on, etc.
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==Resignation==
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Hey guys, bad news for some of you and good news for others... Unfortunately I haven't been editing very often here and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable to visit Wikis every day; it doesn't mean that I don't like the GTA Wiki, but that I want to change some things in my life, like, instead of sitting in front of a computer to edit video game articles, I want to do something more, how can I say? Well, I think you guys will understand my reason...
   
Also if this template is succesful, I will be applying it on my upcoming wiki and our afilliates.
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Also, I started to lose my interest in the GTA series after the [[Heists Update]], since I myself am not a multiplayer person and I'm not really playing video games very often recently, so I'm feeling a little egoistical to occupy the admin spot, which should be taken by someone else.
   
Staff Members are welcome to add, alter, or change the WNU layout in the '''Comments'''.
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That's all I wanted to say; I will still come here, especially in chat to talk to my colleagues, but no longer as an admin.
   
[[User:Tony 1998|Mr. T., That&#39;s Me!]] ([[User talk:Tony 1998|talk]]) 00:12, June 26, 2013 (UTC) 
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Special thanks to my wiki friends: [[User:Smashbro8|Jamal]], [[User:Monkeypolice188|Monk]], [[User:SJWalker|Sam]], [[User:Leon Davis|Leo]], [[User:Mortsnarg|Alex]], [[User:Myth hunter|Hunter]], [[User:558050|558]] and [[User:Ultimate94ninja|U94N]]. [[File:EagleIcon.png|30px|Say hello to the eagle!]] <font size="5"><span style="color:aqua; text-shadow: 0px 0px 2px #FF0000;"><font face=Rage>[[User:AndreEagle17|AndreEagle17]]</font></span> [[File:PS3 Triangle.png|25px|link=User talk:AndreEagle17|Press triangle to interact]] [[File:PS3 Cross.png|25px|link=Special:Contributions/AndreEagle17|Press X to stalk]] [[File:PS3 Circle.png|25px|link=User blog:AndreEagle17|Press circle to blog]] </font> 19:02, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
===Votes===
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===Comments===
*'''Yes - [[User:Sasquatch101|Sasquatch101]] ([[User talk:Sasquatch101|talk]]) 05:40, June 27, 2013 (UTC)'''
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*Andre's point is understandable. I too am starting to lose a little interest in GTA, as I am also trying to focus on my personal goals, education and career, which also involves the planning and putting things together of my own future sandbox game. However, I'm holding the spot here because I know I am still needed. Until I have the feelings things will run smoothly here without me having rights, I will remain a bureaucrat. [[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt1.png|90px|link=User:Smashbro8|Smashbro8]] ([[Image:Smashbro8-Sig-pt2.png|50px|link=User talk:Smashbro8|Talk]]) 19:19, November 3, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
*'''Yes '''- [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:49, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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*Well, my friend, it has been really, really great, to have you as an admin here. You have been one of the best admins here, it will be a shame to see you go. All the best, Monk ;) PS It's still nice to have you around :) [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 19:22, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
*'''Yes ''' - <span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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*Ahh, this makes me a little sad, but I can understand why you're leaving. You have your whole life ahead of you, and like you said, edting information about a video game isn't a good way to spend it, create art! You've told me some about that video game idea you had, so stick with it man! It's been great having you as an editor here Andre, you'll do well at what you put your mind to. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 23:21, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
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*I'm not surprised anymore, because most of the staff are resigning, and I feel it will be me soon. I've lost interest, and I've done enough for the wiki. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 02:44, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Its natural that so many people here are losing interest in GTA, after two years I'm actually surprised that we lasted that long. I will probably gonna need to resign at some point in the near future too, thanks to personal problems, hell, I'm already WAY less active then I used to be. Anyway, good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish, dude. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 03:22, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Ever since people are leaning towards next-gen, last-gen has been left to rot since Rockstar Games now focuses on future updates exclusive to next-gen. A shame to see you go, dude, but you've been really awesome in the end. I'm still into GTA, but not by much as I usually focus on edits on a regular basis. And no, I don't have any desire of being an admin for it, as it can only add more weight down my shoulders and will become swamped as a result of keeping the pages from future attacks by trouble-making users. All in all, best of luck on the outside world. [[File:JohnSignature.jpg|200px|link=User talk:JohnnyD-the-VGNerd]] 04:03, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Good luck and see you around :) [[User:DocVinewood|DocVinewood]] ([[User talk:DocVinewood|talk]]) 11:48, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sad to see you go. Best of luck and all the best. Sad to see others on the staff mentioning that they might resign too. I think once you lose interest in something whether it will be editing on here or on Wikia in general, then it is hard to get that interest back. I have tried numerous times to get back into editing, but after a few days I get bored and real life takes over as it should and I feel I don't have the time for it anymore. [[User:Messi1983|Messi1983]] ([[User talk:Messi1983|talk]]) 00:44, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
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*It's sad to see you go. But what else can we do? It's okay considering that not everything is being on the wiki all the time. Sooner or later, our lifes takes form, and it means focusing on other important things and sucess, No?. Anyway. Take care, man and good luck. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 15:52, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
   
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==GTA Wiki To-Do List==
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'''''Closed as ''successful'' by '''''[[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 10:55, October 27, 2015 (UTC)
   
   
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Hey! So I was looking around the highly-thought-through, sophisticated Saints Row Wiki (along with the for now-anonymous boring-as-hell user), and I saw a really useful article (many in fact), a 'To Do list'. Now, I'm aware we do/did have a to do list, but in honesty, it hasn't been updated in donkey's years, so, I was thinking we could revamp it. Of course, only staff can edit and add to it (unless, of course, you prefer not, and anyone) (as long as all types of staff can edit it permanently). I'd keep on top of it, associating it with projects put forward here would be great, and should be mandatory tbh.
*I think it needs a bit more planning, but it is a good idea. - [[User:Mikey Klebbitz|Mikey Klebbitz]] ([[User talk:Mikey Klebbitz|talk]]) 19:57, June 27, 2013 (UTC)
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Benefits? Well, many in fact, sometimes, things need to be addressed, and quite a few times I've been stumbled on what to do next (despite the fact I have my own 'mini to do list'), so this would help both users and staff.
*'''Extra, Non-Related Idea:''' I think we could add flags near our name on the Staff page so if the user is Portuguese for example, he might contact Mickey.<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
 
*I wrote the coding in exactly 25 minutes:
 
   
[[Template:Welcome]]
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Tell me what you think, yes, or no? [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 08:36, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
   
What do you think?<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black">[[User:Dodo8|Dodo8]]</span> [[User talk:Dodo8|<sup>''<span style="color:#FF6600; font-family:Cooper Black>Talk</span>''</sup>]]
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===Votes===
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*'''Yes''' - <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 09:50, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span></font>]] [[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Courier"><span style="color:#DBA901">My</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Monoface"><span style="color:#848484">Master</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Of</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Ceremonies</span></font>]] 10:02, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 13:40, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes '''- [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 15:55, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''YES''' - <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:06, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''HELL YES - [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 19:44, October 25, 2015 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes with a cherry on top, glazed with chocolate and caramel --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>(</small>'''<small>[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]</small>''' - '''<small>[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]</small>''' - '''<small>[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')'''</small>'''-- 20:03, October 25, 2015 (UTC)'''
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 20:31, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]]­ 21:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:MythHunter 007|Myth]][[User_talk:MythHunter_007|Hunter]] [[Special:Contributions/MythHunter_007|007]] 03:02, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*'''Yes''' - [[User:LS11sVaultBoy|LS11sVaultBoy]] ([[User talk:LS11sVaultBoy|Talk]]) 20:01, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
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===Comments===
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*Would be a good idea. There are a number of mission pages which definitely need a lot of work, and delegating tasks would be beneficial in the long run. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 09:50, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Agree with Sam. [[User:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#FFFF00">M</span><span style="color:#00FF00">C</span></font>]] [[User talk:MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Courier"><span style="color:#DBA901">My</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Co</span><span style="color:#FF0000">mp</span><span style="color:#DF01D7">ut</span><span style="color:#00FFFF">er</span></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/MarcusCheeKJ|<font face="Monoface"><span style="color:#848484">Master</span> <span style="color:#0000FF">Of</span> <span style="color:#FF8000">Ceremonies</span></font>]] 10:02, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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**Brilliant! So, I've created a prototype, [http://gta.wikia.com/wiki/User:Monkeypolice188/Experiments/GTA_Wiki:To-Do_List here], which, what I think works well, has subcategories, and furthermore, subheadings, to categorize the work into the type of work (e.g. vehicles, locations, missions, etc), and then distinguish (if applicable) what game the project or work focuses on, which are separated by headings. Took literally 5 minutes. See what you think :P [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 11:10, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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***Looks good Monk. Hopefully we'll get more support. <font size="5" face="Old English Text MT"><b>[[User:SJWalker|Sam]]</b></font> [[User talk:SJWalker|<font face="Old English Text MT"><sup>Talk</sup></font>]] 12:29, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Good idea. One thing I would like to add is that the to do list page should bee divided into sections like Missions, Locations etc. This will make it easy for editors to find the page they can add more info about.[[User:Myth hunter|Myth]]([[User Talk:Myth hunter|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Myth_hunter|Stalk]]) 14:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Excellent idea! I think we can get a lot done here, and do it efficently with other people picking up different tasks. I think it would make a much more "united" community here. [[User:Mortsnarg|Mortsnarg]] ([[User talk:Mortsnarg|talk]]) 15:55, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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**I have plenty to add if this goes through sucessful :P If it does, I'll create the articles, and I will let users (along with myself) add anything they think should be listed as a project or as something we need to finish. [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 15:57, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Sounds good. It would be beneficial for those pages that aren't checked for a long time. Agreed with that idea. <span style="background-color:#00008B; border:4px ridge black; color:#F8F8FF; font-family:system;">[[File:Body Armor Android.png|20px]] [[User:Camilo Flores|'''SWAT Cam F''']] [[File:Torpedo Android.png|20px]]</span> <span>[[File:Detonator Android.png|20px|link=User talk:Camilo Flores|Dispatch]]</span> <span style="background-color:#000000;">[[File:Crate Android.png|20px|link=Special:Contributions/Camilo Flores|Data Files]]</span> 16:06, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Have you seen the pages made before the community split? A.K.A everything relating to The Ballad of Gay Tony, and everything that came before it. Great idea. [[User:Leon Davis|Leo68]] ([[User talk:Leon Davis|talk]]) 19:44, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*A wonderful idea myself I would say! Also, a good way to get the community to work together more! --'''[[User:Tony 1998|Tony42898]]''' <small>('''[[User talk:Tony 1998|Talker]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[User blog:Tony 1998|Blogger]]'''</small> - <small>'''[[Special:Contributions/Tony 1998|Stalker]]''')</small>-- 20:03, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Great idea. If we also could incorporate this to-do-list to the message that appears to every single new user every time they do their first edit it would also help a lot. [[User:558050|<span style="color:#1589FF">'''DLVIII'''</span>]] [[User talk:558050|<span style="color:#00008b">Talk</span>]] 20:31, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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**I was going to point that out lol. That'd be great, make it a big thing here, make it viewable from everywhere on the wiki, we need to make this big, and when somet's big, it needs to be fancy, great quality, and full of endless projects and work for anyone to contribute; keeps the edit counts up, keeps the work going, and best of all, keeps the wiki expanding :P [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 21:51, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*This should not even be a question :p I think this is an excellent idea since it will allow the wiki to be a bit more organized. A huge problem - and one of people's major complaints about the wiki - is that there is a lot of speculative/unsourced content which lowers the wiki's overall credibility. Speculation is being removed when it's spotted but there are still pages left to correct. I believe that a to-do list, such as adding references to anything even remotely questionable, would be a good start, and, as it was already said, it would get the community to help out more. [[File:v-michael-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User:WildBrick142|My User page...]]<span class="helpcursor">[[File:V-franklin-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=User talk:WildBrick142|Whats up?]]</span>[[File:V-trevor-trunk-mini.jpg|30px|link=Special:Contributions/WildBrick142|I did NOTHING!]]­ 21:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
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*Same as Sam and Hunter.-[[User:MythHunter 007|Myth]][[User_talk:MythHunter_007|Hunter]] [[Special:Contributions/MythHunter_007|007]] 03:02, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
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*Impatience* Could we get this closed as successful so I can start the project? Or am I granted permission to start it without it being closed as successful? (Seen as it's very likely to go through as yes anyway).  [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-2.png|55px|link=User:Monkeypolice188|Monkeypolice188's Userpage]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-4.png|37px|link=User talk:Monkeypolice188|Talk to me!]] &bull; [[File:Monkeypolice188-Signature-3.png|37px|link=Special:Contributions/Monkeypolice188|Contributions]] 19:47, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

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Probation Expiry - That Ferrari Guy (Patroller)Edit

That Ferrari "Guy"'s probation is pretty much up so it's time for everyone to vote as to whether they think he has passed. Remember, only admins and bureaucrats can vote, patrollers and normal users may leave comments.

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • I think you've done really well in your second probation period. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:18, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
  • I believe that you have done an excellent job as a Patroller. I am quite confident that you will pass your probation. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 19:26, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
  • He did extremely well. Opened a little too early but tomorrow he won't be online till later (as far as I hear). Well done bud. Monk Talk 19:27, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Probation Expiry - TAlim 1994 (Patroller)Edit

Outcome: PASS

VotesEdit

(Admins and Bureaucrats only)

  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - Sam Talk 12:44, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - Monk Talk 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • Yes - V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 16:34, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

(Everyone)

  • I have decided to take the liberty of setting up my own probation expiry vote to save other Staff the trouble. Please vote when you are able to. Thank you. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 10:51, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • You've done very well during your probation and it would be good for you to continue. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:08, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • You made a good progress and you're efficient as a patroller. I say "yes". --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 16:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)
  • You did great. Monk Talk 16:16, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Vehicle Variants System 2.0Edit

Okay guys, you're probably going to shoot me for this, but I have a new idea. I suggested the idea (albeit hesitantly considering the outcome and affect it'd have on the Staff here) in Chat one evening with Leo, who agreed it was a fantastic idea. He agreed in a good manner and suggested I sent it to the Community Noticeboard to propose it. So, Leo, if you disagree now, I'm gonna kill you :P

The idea is, well, pretty simple really. Instead of shoving all the Variants into the same article of the main vehicle, create a sub-page "[Vehicle Name]/Variants" and list them all in there. I really think this makes it A LOT tidier. I have started my first example, here. I did the Granger. On the Granger article, at the variants section, you'll notice a "Main" template, which will link you to the Variants sub-page which lists all the emergency counterparts. For navigational purposes, the 4 variants are listed at the top, the links send you to the parts of the page (try it out, "Press me!" :P).

Now, I separated the pages with a "----" bar to make it clearer where each vehicle ends. I really like this system, and I'm confident it would work for many vehicles (only ones I'm concerned about are where we draw the line as what counts as a variant (example, Phantom and Rubble?), as well as when a vehicle crosses the Universe boundary but doesn't count as a variant in one of the Universes.

So, please, this is not a vote, as for now, I'm just letting you comment to see what you think. Again, this is only an alpha (not even beta) project, I want to see what you think.

Oh, one more thing, this is not a place to start an argument. If we start arguing in an uncivil manner, I'll simply close it and delete the project. Just tell me what you think, and if I get good reception, maybe I'll turn it into a vote.

Tar lads. Monk Talk 12:02, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • I think it is a good idea. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:25, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
  • From what I see on the Granger examples, that would mean that pages like "Park Ranger", "FIB Granger", "Lifeguard SUV", etc. would no longer exist and be instead merged into "Granger/Variants" page. Correct? If so, no, never. They are separated for a reason, and it's pretty obvious a specific vehicle is a variant anyway - a mention such as "Main Article: [vehicle]" and a very short paragraph would be enough. It's good as it is now, and things like that are usually very volatile as evidenced from past votes/ideas. IMHO it would be a better idea to split everything, instead of having a hacky system of vehicle subsections like Kuruma (Armored), Insurgent Pick-Up, Rusty Rebel etc. have now - that would save the time and confusion of making and reading these pages - but the last time we agreed that only select vehicles would end up like the examples I mentioned so that would bring an end to these sort of ideas, and arguments resulting from them, which is why it'd be better to leave it as it is. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 12:55, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
    • Yeah I agree. I was pretty hesitant myself when writing this and hence why i've only decided to right this more than a month after he suggested I put it forward. Again, it's just an idea and not something I'm insisting should be done. I only insist when I'm fully confident :P Monk Talk 14:23, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
  • Your proposal is intriguing, but I must admit that it sounds like a monumental change, and not one which should be implemented on a whim. As "Wildbrick142" has said, it will not be a good idea to merge all the pages of different variants of vehicles that have substantially different stock performance specifications. Instead I would suggest creating a "Variants" heading on the page of the base vehicle, creating a sub-heading for each variant of the vehicle, adding a "Main" template that links to the vehicle page for that variant, and inserting a concise description on how the variant differs from the base vehicle. Also, a "Disambiglink" template should be placed at the start of the page of each variant, stating something along the lines of "For the vehicle that the [Variant Name] is based on, see [Base Vehicle Name]". TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 07:09, January 28, 2016 (UTC)

Toning Down TriviaEdit

Alright, well it's been discussed in the past, so to make it short: let's take it easy on the trivia and reserve it for stuff we have not seen. Pages, such as the Heavy Revolver for example (which I have fixed since), had information that was best well fit in the derscription section. Other pages contain trivia that was already mentioned, too obvious, speculative (most of the time), or in some cases, it was not even worth mentioning. I just want to get the community a heads-up to tone down the trivia and to make sure that the information you found regarding to a specific page is best suited in the description, appearance, etc.

--Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 18:21, January 18, 2016 (UTC) 

CommentsEdit

  • Agreed. Some of the GTA IV mission pages are the worst offenders for "trivia" I've seen. I'm all for Trivia sections but I personally think a section with one or two relevant facts is better than 20 irrelevant facts. Sam Talk 19:01, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
  • Sounds good. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:37, January 18, 2016 (UTC)
  • I completely agree that the trivia should be reserved for important and relevant facts regarding the article it refers to, but I should also point out that what one user regards as "important" might not be regarded as such by another, which may lead to potentially ugly disputes. Perhaps general guidelines for what should and should not be added to the trivia of each category of article (missions, characters, businesses, etc.) should be created to preempt such disputes. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 14:42, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
    • Here's the official policy on Trivia. Sam Talk 15:30, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

ResignationEdit

I think it's time for me to move on and resign as administrator, as I'm busy IRL to edit here and I've also been losing interest in the GTA series lately. Besides, it's fair for the most active patrollers to leave an open admin spot so one of them can be promoted. I'm not leaving the wiki, I will still edit here, but just not as often. Good luck everybody, and see you around :) DocVinewood (talk) 10:59, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

Sheesh. Sorry to hear that my friend. You've been great here man. I've always looked up to you as a great admin. Have a great New Year and enjoy your life :) take care buddy. Monk Talk 11:15, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
Sorry to see you go Doc but I can fully understand why. Look after yourself and hopefully you'll be back soon. Happy New Year. Sam Talk 14:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for you comments, and happy New Year to you as well :) DocVinewood (talk) 16:52, December 31, 2015 (UTC) 
Sorry to see you go Doc. You've been great here and we really are thankful for the thousands of spectacular images you've added here. I also feel your case, as I myself am not as active as before and am losing interest in GTA as well, mostly because I'm focusing on other things in life and my future game and don't have much time for video games in general now. As I always said they're better things in life than video games. The only reason I'm not resigning is because I'm afraid to leave the wiki and all sorts of shit start up here such as vandals and what not. Anyways, I hope you find what you're looking for in life and have a happy new year.Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:42, December 31, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
I'm sorry to hear this Doc, but I understand. Happy New Year for you and your family ! General9913 (talk) 21:07, December 31, 2015 (UTC)

(Reset indent) It's a shame to see you go, Doc. I understand your point about being busy, but hey, you made it very well here, and that matters. Anyway, have a great one over there :D --Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 03:32, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's a shame the year ends with another resignation. Can't say I'm not disappointed, Doc, you've done great things here, but I can understand your reasoning. Good luck. Leo68 (talk) 06:05, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

It is sad to see you go. You have been a great admin. It was nice having you around here. Myth(Please leave your threats here/Wanna Stalk?) 21:28, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

Probation Expiry - Myth hunter (Patroller)Edit

Closed as successful by Leo68 (talk) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

(Admins and Bureaucrats only)

  • Yes - Monk Talk 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Sam Talk 15:56, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 17:24, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Yes - DocVinewood (talk) 19:46, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes - Leo68 (talk) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

(Everyone)

  • At first his edits were okay, then they dropped a bit, but he's managed to pick it up lately, and he did tell me his internet was causing issues in logging in, etc, so we can't exactly blame some of his inactivity, He'll fair well as a Patroller and makes good contributions, as well as reinforces the policies and always informs me about vandals to block. He's very useful in chat too, blocked many sockpuppets lately. He's a great Patroller, and I'm sure if the internet issues are fixed, he'll become active even more. Good luck Myth :) Monk Talk 15:54, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Though I've been absent and a lot less active recently sadly, I know Myth has improved a lot since his first time. He deserves the position without a doubt. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:43, December 2, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Really did improve since the last probabtion expiry. You have my yes in spirit. :) --Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 19:45, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
  • Activity was the only issue before, and that has been fixed. With my vote as the sixth yes, I am closing it as successful. Congratulations, Myth hunter. Leo68 (talk) 21:58, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Mission Numbers in InfoboxesEdit

Closed as Unsuccessful by Monkeypolice188.

So earlier I was thinking we could have Mission Numbers in the infoboxes of missions, because the "this is the first mission given to [a] by [b]" can be slightly misleading or misinterpreted at first. This wouldn't be that hard and I can really only see it following how either the GTASeriesVideos name them, OR the order they ard listed on the main "Missiins in [gams]" article. Essentially, it makes navigation easier, makes identifying any referencs to mission numbers outside GTA Wiki easier to understand, and gives missions a simpler ordering system.

What do you think? Monk Talk 09:55, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • If you're adding mission numbers, then you're establishing a mission sequence, is it that what you mean? I didn't get your point.Because if it is, only thing I can say is that it's a sandbox game, players can choose whatever sequence they want. I see the "unlocked by" and "unlocks" thing working pretty well on infoboxes, so there's no need for mission numbers yet. Staying neutral untill further explanations. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 12:10, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Well, that is what I mean, but there is evidently some kind of sequence, somehow, because how are experienced Youtubers numbering them? And there's clearly an order, Rockstar ordering missions in the "Replay Mission" feature. It'd be really useful, but now you mention the "Unlocked by" and "Unlocks", I think I might close this, as that's good enough tbh. Monk Talk 12:17, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
I've not seen so many videos walkthroughs in YT other than the ones that I used to get some mission screenshots, but I guess they just pick one of the available missions and start a video for it. That's not a sequence, or at least it should not be followed. I agree about using the sequence from the "Replay Mission" in Missions in GTA V though. Do not close the discussion yet, let's just wait for other users to vote. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 12:47, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • I staying neutral on this one. On one hand I agree that a number is better than "This is the first mission (a) gave to (b)". But the only problem is that Their is not any exact order in which the missions are played. If this request is successful, I would support to use the same order as on the "Mission in (game)" page. Myth(Please leave your threats here/Wanna Stalk?) 12:59, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I don't see the point in this. Most missions have no specific order so what could be Mission #45 for someone would be #46 or #47, etc. , for someone else. We have navboxes and unlocked by/after already as well, and they do the job fine. What we could do is tweak the mission giver line to feature an "Expand" button that shows all missions available from the boss or rewrite all headings to make them less confusing while retaining the information. Following GTASeriesVideos in regards to mission numbering is exactly the same as following the average GTAO Youtuber: speculation. The only factual mission numbering is from R* themselves.

    btw, mission sequence in GTA V's replay menu is not reliable. Many missions can be placed differently, depending on when you do them - Chop for example can be done before Complications or after Complications, and it will be placed on the list whenever you do them. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 13:38, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
  • Since the only thing I agreed was the Replay Mission sequence, and it's not reliable, I'm changing to "No". In addition, I see no problem to mention "this is the [first, second, third, fourth and so on] mission to [protagonist] by [mission giver]", that's the only sequence we actually have. We can improve the "unlocked by"/"unlocks" by adding a feature used at some mission articles in GTA SA, such as Sweet's Girl (see the bottom of the page), particularly for mission series (The Truth (mission series) for example). Thoughts?. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 14:21, November 28, 2015 (UTC)
    • Okay okay...I didn't realise that the missions were not in the same order for everyone, as I didn't realise that depending on what mission you do first, it effects the order numbers. Sorry... Monk Talk 14:50, November 28, 2015 (UTC)

Character Manual of Style changeEdit

Closed as successful by TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)


Good day. After a discussion with "Thegtaseeker96" regarding the Manual of Style for characters, I have decided to propose a change to it to place the gallery before the trivia, as apparently all other Manuals of Style have the format as such, with the one for characters being the only one with the trivia before the gallery. Please vote and discuss this.

TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 19:34, November 12, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Trivia usually is last (many wikis are laid out like this), and it looks a lot neater, so I agree with this change. Manual of Style for Missions would need a change, too, since that one also says that gallery is last. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini 21:50, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
    • This should also be applied to the MoS for neighborhoods and weapons. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 23:23, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Needless to say. That's what I've been doing since I started editing here. Thegtaseeker96 (talk) 23:14, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sure. It was odd to have the Trivia before gallery, which is contrary to the actual one. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 23:21, November 12, 2015 (UTC)
  • I also have been placing the gallery before the trivia on a lot of different articles since I joined the wikia. I don't know why, but placing the gallery at the very botton of the page always looked "ugly" to me. DLVIII Talk 02:12, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Since I joined the Wiki I've always been placing Trivia sections at the foot of the page, just as a given. With regards to the MoS, it is mainly a guideline I don't think it needs to be followed to the letter as the most important points in a page is the correct information and correctly licenced and named images, but if this change will clear up any grey areas then I'm all for it. Sam Talk 10:23, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • Everyone basically pointed out all my concerns, as an admin. No need to comment anything else :P Monk Talk 16:27, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
  • I am closing this proposal as successful, and I will make changes to the Manual of Style for missions and characters. I must admit that I am a slight bit cheesed off about this change (even though I proposed it), as I will now need to return to several character articles that I have created following the (now invalid) Manual of Style for characters, and change the format. TAlim 1994 - Konan T-A Lim (talk | contributions) 15:30, November 14, 2015 (UTC)

ResignationEdit

Hey guys, bad news for some of you and good news for others... Unfortunately I haven't been editing very often here and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable to visit Wikis every day; it doesn't mean that I don't like the GTA Wiki, but that I want to change some things in my life, like, instead of sitting in front of a computer to edit video game articles, I want to do something more, how can I say? Well, I think you guys will understand my reason...

Also, I started to lose my interest in the GTA series after the Heists Update, since I myself am not a multiplayer person and I'm not really playing video games very often recently, so I'm feeling a little egoistical to occupy the admin spot, which should be taken by someone else.

That's all I wanted to say; I will still come here, especially in chat to talk to my colleagues, but no longer as an admin.

Special thanks to my wiki friends: JamalMonkSamLeoAlexHunter558 and U94N. EagleIcon AndreEagle17 PS3 Triangle PS3 Cross PS3 Circle 19:02, November 3, 2015 (UTC)

CommentsEdit

  • Andre's point is understandable. I too am starting to lose a little interest in GTA, as I am also trying to focus on my personal goals, education and career, which also involves the planning and putting things together of my own future sandbox game. However, I'm holding the spot here because I know I am still needed. Until I have the feelings things will run smoothly here without me having rights, I will remain a bureaucrat. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 19:19, November 3, 2015 (UTC)Smashbro8
  • Well, my friend, it has been really, really great, to have you as an admin here. You have been one of the best admins here, it will be a shame to see you go. All the best, Monk ;) PS It's still nice to have you around :) Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 19:22, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
  • Ahh, this makes me a little sad, but I can understand why you're leaving. You have your whole life ahead of you, and like you said, edting information about a video game isn't a good way to spend it, create art! You've told me some about that video game idea you had, so stick with it man! It's been great having you as an editor here Andre, you'll do well at what you put your mind to. Mortsnarg (talk) 23:21, November 3, 2015 (UTC)
  • I'm not surprised anymore, because most of the staff are resigning, and I feel it will be me soon. I've lost interest, and I've done enough for the wiki. Leo68 (talk) 02:44, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Its natural that so many people here are losing interest in GTA, after two years I'm actually surprised that we lasted that long. I will probably gonna need to resign at some point in the near future too, thanks to personal problems, hell, I'm already WAY less active then I used to be. Anyway, good luck with whatever you are trying to accomplish, dude. DLVIII Talk 03:22, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Ever since people are leaning towards next-gen, last-gen has been left to rot since Rockstar Games now focuses on future updates exclusive to next-gen. A shame to see you go, dude, but you've been really awesome in the end. I'm still into GTA, but not by much as I usually focus on edits on a regular basis. And no, I don't have any desire of being an admin for it, as it can only add more weight down my shoulders and will become swamped as a result of keeping the pages from future attacks by trouble-making users. All in all, best of luck on the outside world. JohnSignature 04:03, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Good luck and see you around :) DocVinewood (talk) 11:48, November 4, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sad to see you go. Best of luck and all the best. Sad to see others on the staff mentioning that they might resign too. I think once you lose interest in something whether it will be editing on here or on Wikia in general, then it is hard to get that interest back. I have tried numerous times to get back into editing, but after a few days I get bored and real life takes over as it should and I feel I don't have the time for it anymore. Messi1983 (talk) 00:44, November 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • It's sad to see you go. But what else can we do? It's okay considering that not everything is being on the wiki all the time. Sooner or later, our lifes takes form, and it means focusing on other important things and sucess, No?. Anyway. Take care, man and good luck. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 15:52, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

GTA Wiki To-Do ListEdit

Closed as successful by LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:55, October 27, 2015 (UTC)


Hey! So I was looking around the highly-thought-through, sophisticated Saints Row Wiki (along with the for now-anonymous boring-as-hell user), and I saw a really useful article (many in fact), a 'To Do list'. Now, I'm aware we do/did have a to do list, but in honesty, it hasn't been updated in donkey's years, so, I was thinking we could revamp it. Of course, only staff can edit and add to it (unless, of course, you prefer not, and anyone) (as long as all types of staff can edit it permanently). I'd keep on top of it, associating it with projects put forward here would be great, and should be mandatory tbh. Benefits? Well, many in fact, sometimes, things need to be addressed, and quite a few times I've been stumbled on what to do next (despite the fact I have my own 'mini to do list'), so this would help both users and staff.

Tell me what you think, yes, or no? Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 08:36, October 25, 2015 (UTC)

VotesEdit

CommentsEdit

  • Would be a good idea. There are a number of mission pages which definitely need a lot of work, and delegating tasks would be beneficial in the long run. Sam Talk 09:50, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Agree with Sam. MC My Computer Master Of Ceremonies 10:02, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • Brilliant! So, I've created a prototype, here, which, what I think works well, has subcategories, and furthermore, subheadings, to categorize the work into the type of work (e.g. vehicles, locations, missions, etc), and then distinguish (if applicable) what game the project or work focuses on, which are separated by headings. Took literally 5 minutes. See what you think :P Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 11:10, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
      • Looks good Monk. Hopefully we'll get more support. Sam Talk 12:29, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Good idea. One thing I would like to add is that the to do list page should bee divided into sections like Missions, Locations etc. This will make it easy for editors to find the page they can add more info about.Myth(Talk/Stalk) 14:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Excellent idea! I think we can get a lot done here, and do it efficently with other people picking up different tasks. I think it would make a much more "united" community here. Mortsnarg (talk) 15:55, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • I have plenty to add if this goes through sucessful :P If it does, I'll create the articles, and I will let users (along with myself) add anything they think should be listed as a project or as something we need to finish. Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 15:57, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Sounds good. It would be beneficial for those pages that aren't checked for a long time. Agreed with that idea. Body Armor Android SWAT Cam F Torpedo Android Detonator Android Crate Android 16:06, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Have you seen the pages made before the community split? A.K.A everything relating to The Ballad of Gay Tony, and everything that came before it. Great idea. Leo68 (talk) 19:44, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • A wonderful idea myself I would say! Also, a good way to get the community to work together more! --Tony42898 (Talker - Blogger - Stalker)-- 20:03, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Great idea. If we also could incorporate this to-do-list to the message that appears to every single new user every time they do their first edit it would also help a lot. DLVIII Talk 20:31, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
    • I was going to point that out lol. That'd be great, make it a big thing here, make it viewable from everywhere on the wiki, we need to make this big, and when somet's big, it needs to be fancy, great quality, and full of endless projects and work for anyone to contribute; keeps the edit counts up, keeps the work going, and best of all, keeps the wiki expanding :P Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 21:51, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • This should not even be a question :p I think this is an excellent idea since it will allow the wiki to be a bit more organized. A huge problem - and one of people's major complaints about the wiki - is that there is a lot of speculative/unsourced content which lowers the wiki's overall credibility. Speculation is being removed when it's spotted but there are still pages left to correct. I believe that a to-do list, such as adding references to anything even remotely questionable, would be a good start, and, as it was already said, it would get the community to help out more. V-michael-trunk-miniV-franklin-trunk-miniV-trevor-trunk-mini­ 21:04, October 25, 2015 (UTC)
  • Same as Sam and Hunter.-MythHunter 007 03:02, October 26, 2015 (UTC)
  • Impatience* Could we get this closed as successful so I can start the project? Or am I granted permission to start it without it being closed as successful? (Seen as it's very likely to go through as yes anyway).  Monkeypolice188-Signature-2Monkeypolice188-Signature-4Monkeypolice188-Signature-3 19:47, October 26, 2015 (UTC)

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