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NC/NC Debate and Ban
Hi, Collie. I have been banned from the Alt. Hist. wiki, possibly for a good reason, but I still think the terms are a bit extreme. To be quick about it, I noticed a blog post by FirstStooge (who I have never met personally, to be honest) that celebrated Eid Al-Fitr. I am a devout Christian, and it is my personal religious belief that Islam is a religion of hatred that directly clashes with Western society, progress, and American values. With that being said, as I went back through what I missed in the past couple of days, I noticed that I had skipped over this post, which, to me, was a bit too much.
Noticing this, I at once felt that I had to stick up for my values. After all, to me, when he started chanting "Allah Akbar" at the end, I felt this was a heresy and I ought to stand up for what is right (in my eyes).
Seeing that this might be a way to open a conversation (and even learn a bit more about Islam myself), I posted what I felt about Islam. Whilst waiting for FS' response, a multitude of people (mostly Scrawland Scribblescratch and Monster Pumpkin) got into a bit of a flam war, for which I did no real part to calm myself down. I will admit, at this point I crossed the line, but I felt that I was being attacked, not just my ideals being attacked (a quote to prove this is: I'm asking you not to be an ass. - CrimsonAssassain)
At this point, Scraw came onto Chat, where he asked me to stop, and I posted on last thought, after which, I figured, I could either wait for FS to provide a response, or decide to give up on the conversation altogether. I ended the conversation, and then thought "That is that!"
When I logged in, later in the evening, I found that I couldn't edit anything! It turns out, Fedelede banned me for 2 weeks. Here is what he said: (Inserting false information: NC/NC violation, flamebait, Islamophobia/religious discrimination). Here are my defenses for the charges.
- NC/NC - I didn't bring up the topic. He did. Furthermore, by him bringing up a topic like Eid al Fitr, when 69 people were killed on that very day this year, it kind of lit my fuse. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57597984/iraq-car-bombings-leave-69-dead-amid-eid-al-fitr-celebrations/
- Flambait - I was simply looking for an intellectual conversation with FS about our religions. The flamebait really began once others decided to chirp in and start saying what they thought - although they know limited facts about the situation. Whereas my posts were thought out, full length ideas, their ideas were a few lines of attacks on me (indirect or even direct).
- Islamophobia/religious discrimination - This is the most absurd accusation of all. Dictionary.com defines Islamophobia as "Extreme or irrational fear of all Islamic persons". Now, you may or may now know a ton about me, but for me to be afraid of someone over the internet, they need to know where I live, what I look like, how old I am, etc. Seeing as I had never spoken to FS before, I have no fear of him. I also do not have an irrational fear of all Muslims. I do realize that, sadly, a number of the have been "led astray" since their birth, and therefore, I do not fear all Muslims (also, fear is no way to live your life.)
- As for Discrimination, I have the definition of discrimination right here - "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, esp. on the grounds of race, age, or sex." What does this mean? Well, I take it to mean that if I were to exclude FS from some event, I would be discriminating against him. But, like I have said, I never interacted with him, so I cannot possibly actually discriminate in the real sense of the word.
Collie, I understand that you are a busy kind of person, but I would just like to ask a few minutes of your time. I actively participate in a number of communities on the AltHist Wiki (PMII, RDE, Yellowstone, WWIII, and more). I have a large number of friends, who would vouch for my overall character.
I think you could ask almost any member of the community I have come in contact with (maybe with FS being the exception) and they would tell you that I am a cool guy. Ask Greg, Feudal, Edboy, Willster, UglyTurtle, Local Mafia Boss, Ratc/CaptinStark (I know, he hardly counts), Imp, Kogasa, Viva, ToB2, Octivian, Eip. or CourageousLife, and I am pretty sure they would all attest to my general character.
What it came down to, for me, is that he is celebrating a holiday when Muslim extremists killed 69, out of 671 during all of Ramadan. It just struck me as a bit out of touch, but I grew disrespectful. I have asked FS to come on chat on his wiki with my, so I may apologize, but as of yet he hasn't replied (understandably). Please consider what I have said.
Thank You, Reximus55 06:55, August 22, 2013 (UTC)