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The Tom

aka Tom

9,392 Edits since joining this wiki
August 3, 2010
  • I live in England
  • My occupation is Student
  • I am Male
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Starting a new wiki

Hi, The Tom. I've started a new wiki called the Dan Houser Wiki. I'd like to know how to change the title, as done with this wiki's one. GrandTheftEditor (talk) 09:15, January 5, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Tom, every pics on different pages gets deleted for no reason, I hope this wiki is not being hacked, if it is hacked by user who got blocked from here, someone will be blocked globally for infinite. Cloudkit01 (talk) 18:44, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

The Broffles Waffles, Ferris Whale and other pages. Cloudkit01 (talk) 19:02, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Cloudkit's right. I just had to remove the image on the Hampton Barns page cause the image was missing. And the Downtown Los Santos page's picture also is missing. Smashbro8 (talk) 19:05, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

At first, I thought it was something with Internet problems. But now I realise that it happens to others. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 19:06, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

I just checked out the Washington Beach Police Station's picture and that's also gone too! Smashbro8 (talk) 19:08, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

We should make a list of the pages with missing images. Smashbro8 (talk) 19:11, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Do not remove the images. I'll try and find out what's happening but for now just leave it as it is. Tom Talk 19:12, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
Okay Tom I will undo my Hampton Barns image thing. Should we make a list of the pages with missing images? Smashbro8 (talk) 19:14, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

I looked at the GTA Wikia Crew page and it also has lost its image. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:16, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, con soggit, not the GTAWC image! No! --Tony1998 (Talker * Blogger * Stalker)-- 23:59, January 7, 2014 (UTC)

Seeing the images missing is freaking me out, I don't know why every images gets removed D: Cloudkit01 (talk) 19:22, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

I'm with you Cloudkit. I feel someone is hacking our wiki and deleting the images. Images can't delete themselves. Smashbro8 (talk) 19:23, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Nobody deleted images. I can check if images have been deleted and none have. It's a common bug for Wiki's with as many images as we have, most images seem to be back now - for me at least. Tom Talk 19:27, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
None of the images are back on mine. They keep saying "The item is no longer available but now that you're here explore GTA Wiki!" Smashbro8 (talk) 19:33, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Me too, it didn't come back on mine either, I hate that Wikias get bugs & glitchly alot :( Cloudkit01 (talk) 20:41, January 5, 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully it comes back later today. I'll give it two days to appear like this. If two days pass and it isn't fixed, someone's messing with the wiki. Smashbro8 (talk) 20:48, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

It's a glitch. Nobody hacked us and nobody is messing with the Wiki. Tom Talk 22:10, January 5, 2014 (UTC)
Okay. I understand that. Just checking. Hopefully it gets better soon. Smashbro8 (talk) 22:11, January 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8
Wikia have emailed me, they told me it's a known bug and they're trying to find a fix. It shouldn't be too much longer. Tom Talk 17:45, January 10, 2014 (UTC)


Hi The Tom! Smashbro8 here. This user is adding nonsense on pages which I had to undo about twice so far and has made a page that needs deleting. Deal with him man. 

PS: How do you revert edits? Smashbro8 (talk) 01:43, January 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Oh lol, I know how to undo and I use the magnifying glass to make sure other user's edits are useful. Undoing is the one I can do, but when a user makes multiple edits and the edits can't be undone, how do you revert the person's edits? I'll show you a page with a reverted edit to show you what I mean. Smashbro8 (talk) 02:01, January 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8.

Here. On Philips?action=history Trevor Philips history page you can see the reverted edits thing. I want to know how to do that. Smashbro8 (talk) 02:05, January 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Oh never mind. I thought all editors could do that. I'll just wait patiently for Requests for Promotion page to be unlocked. Thanks. Smashbro8 (talk) 03:17, January 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Cool. I've noticed it's useful for when removed multiple useless edits in a row so that's why I asked. Thanks a lot pal! Smashbro8 (talk) 03:23, January 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

After going on the page history and clicking the two circles must I then press undo to revert the edits? And this is still only a staff thing or can all users do this part here? Smashbro8 (talk) 03:28, January 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Thanks man! BTW, is there a set date the Requests for Promotion page is unlocked? 

Ok then! Thanks Smashbro8 (talk) 03:36, January 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8


Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here. I need a couple of pages redirected. Red Dessert Avenue should be redirected to Red Desert AvenueMorningwood Blvd. needs redirecting to Morningwood BoulevardAdam's Apple Blvd. needs redirecting to Adam's Apple BoulevardBucaneer Way needs redirecting to Buccaneer Way. That's all for now! Thanks! Smashbro8 (talk) 04:21, January 7, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Ok. I'll try that now! Smashbro8 (talk) 13:36, January 7, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Thanks! But if only there was a random, unused page I could try using to learn what you've taught me! Smashbro8 (talk) 13:40, January 7, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Most Wanted Criminals

Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! Can you explain to me why the Most Wanted criminals in GTA IV are considered deceased? Their status is determinant since the player has the option of whether to kill them or let them live. It is not required for them to be killed unless one is pursuing 100% Completion. I'm sorry but I don't understand this. Even some of the criminals' pages on the wiki say the status is determinant. Determinant characters are not considered deceased. Smashbro8 (talk) 19:24, January 7, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8 

OK I see now. Thanks. Smashbro8 (talk) 23:21, January 7, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

I'm trying to prevent myself from starting this again by deleting the sentence with tire in it so whatever way people prefer spelling it doesn't constantly get changed to a different way of spelling it if this makes sense. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 02:12, January 8, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2

I know that but that's why I deletes the sentence so anyone else(including me) that writes american english doesn't change it and get banned.

I meant constantly change it. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 02:52, January 8, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2

Hi, The Tom, I've just been wondering why the pictures on all the articles are not uploading properly. I've ruled out that its not my internet connection. If anyone knows whats causing this it would be greatly appreciated.

Mralpha 2012

Ok so how do I tell who's giving me warnings and who that's giving me warnings is actually allowed to. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 16:36, January 8, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2


Hello Tom,

Me and fellow editor TheAdamBomb2  have been discussing about a note on the "Locations" section.

As it appears; Adam wrote a note about he "found a random" Z-type at the Vanilla Ice's parking lots, is this just me, or does this sound like complete nonsense to me? Everybody knows that the Z-type is only available via the internet, or by failing Eye In The Sky. Honestly, I think he's trying to create some confusion here.


Mitchell Maljers

MitchMaljers - "5 years ago a virus escaped and everyone died" 18:30, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

I apoligize but I can't provide evidence as I can't record because I don't have a capture card or whatever it is people use to record. And if I did I wouldn't know how to send you the recording. You're going to need to either belive me or not belive me. Either way is fine. But I know it spawned for me and I don't know how to hack so I didn't hack and if I did I wouldn't hack anything unless I joined the military(hacking skills would probably be more useful in the CIA)because it's wrong to hack peoples' social networking accounts and games because I know how to or really it's wrong to do it in general.

Sorry, I forgot to sign my last message about how it's wrong to hack and I can't provide evidence about the Z-Type spawn because I don't have the tools needed. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 19:42, January 8, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2

It appears that Cloudkit01 has edited a page I created called Air Theatre, a building in GTA V, redirecting removing all text and adding a redirection to a different Air Theatre page. When I clicked "Redirect to Air Theatre", it brought me to the "you"re creating a new article screen". I'm not 100% sure or making an accusation but I think he's doing this to take credit for the creation of air theatre. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 19:48, January 8, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2

I don't know exactly where but it's near the Vinewood Sign. I looked it up and found pictures of it on the map and i went in game to the shown locations and found a building with the sign "Air Theatre". TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 00:58, January 9, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2

Ritch Mizural

That was only joke. :)


Hello Tom! It appears like my computer uploaded this image as I was renaming it to "Dominator-GTAV-Rear" before I uploaded it. However it did not appear while I was doing so, I just recently found it but there's no need for it as I have uploaded the one with the right name while this somehow got uploaded too. The point is there's no need for dupes so could you please delete it?

I have a question too, as it seems like most of the images has been deleted would it be alright if I would add images from all of the vehicles (preferably from SA, IV, EFLC and V maybe even from III and VC) but use the ones on the Social Club for thumbnail of the vehicles in V? (Rentedhitmanben (talk) 22:43, January 9, 2014 (UTC))

Admin Requests

Could you vote on Requests for Promotion? Sasquatch101 (talk) 02:15, January 11, 2014 (UTC)


Hi The Tom! Smashbro8 here. All though this is not much of a problem, I wanted to ask you if The Families are the same gang with a different name as the Grove Street Families or if they are two different gangs that just are similar to one another? Also the Grove Street in Grand Theft Auto V is not the same street in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas right? Smashbro8 (talk) 04:32, January 11, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Unneeded Category?

Hi Tom. I was just doing the usual editing when I came across the Gang areas category. Do we really need it? All it does is tell people that there is a gang in that area which from my view, many people won't care about. Anyway, I thought I'd come and ask you about it. What do you think? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 10:50, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

I created it around 6 months ago, I started to find it a little bit useless now but I'm not completely sure if we should delete it, but if Tom agrees, I agree with deleting. Anyways, I was thinking about the category Places and its subdivsions : Places in San Fierro, L.C, V.C etc... and I think this category disturbs the organization from locations around the GTA series, plus, it's all mixed with cities from different universes ( Places in L.C in GTA III with places in GTA IV). Should we delete it too? --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 11:06, January 11, 2014 (UTC)


Just a question you're edit on Chop the dog's page what did you actualy do? i checked it and do not see any difference. Ölbohrinsel 04:07, January 12, 2014 (UTC)

Feedback on Page

Hey, Tom! I created this page about the history of GTA V's title updates. I wanted to get some feedback about it, if that is okay with you. In a little while, I'll put up references so readers will know where update notes came from.

--Tony1998 (Talker * Blogger * Stalker)-- 00:22, January 13, 2014 (UTC)

Deleting a crew page I would appreciate if you delete this incomplete crew page. I would do it myself, but I assume only someone near your rank on the wiki is allowed to delete pages.

Site background

Hi, The Tom! I was just passing through and noticed the background looks a little odd. I don't know if it was meant to look the way it does, but under the wordmark and navigation it looks as if another bg is trying to show through, perhaps tiled? Let me know if it's intended or if you might need some assistance tweaking it ;) Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:30, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing! You can see the ss here. It's where the palm trees are to either side in the center. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 19:07, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
I hope so ;) What's it supposed to look like? Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 19:10, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

Most likely - let me poke it with a stick. Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 19:27, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

The first poke may have worked. Looks good on my end - is it still showing correctly for you? Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 19:51, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
Glad I could help :) Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 19:54, January 15, 2014 (UTC)


Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! Is there a reason for this page to exist? I can't see how it helps us...

Thanks! Smashbro8 (talk) 19:28, January 15, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Page rename

Hi, Tom. I need this page to be renamed. "Buildings" is spelled wrong, and there also needs to be proper capitalisation. Cheers! Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 19:39, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

TV Shows in GTA V

Hi, I noticed that the link "TV" redirects to "TV Shows in GTA IV". I think a page about GTA V TV shows should exist too, or the current one should be modified to include GTA V info. Thanks.DocVinewood (talk) 20:12, January 15, 2014 (UTC)

lol, nevermind, it exists and it's called Television in GTA V. Sorry xDDocVinewood (talk) 20:14, January 15, 2014 (UTC)


Hi The Tom! Smashbro8 here. This user has some blogs which I find complete nonsense. They are littered with poor grammar and are hard to read and understand. Maybe they should be deleted...Smashbro8 (talk) 05:21, January 16, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8


Hi The Tom! Smashbro8 here! This user has done it again. He has added his pointless info again after you warned him and Cloudkit01 had to revert his edits. I think he has to be blocked because he is not listening to staff. Smashbro8 (talk) 19:48, January 16, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Why are you deleting my photo


Yeah, when I was telling him about it, I noticed that you had blocked him previously but when I was actually setting the block, I forgot. Have you reset the block? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:37, January 17, 2014 (UTC)

Photo Problems

Hey tom, every time I try to view any of my previous photos that I have uploaded, it gives me this: is there anyway I can fix this? Snugeez (talk) 17:24, January 18, 2014 (UTC)

New wiki


Today, a new subsidiary Wiki of the GTA Wiki has been created. The new, hereafter extravagant GTA Songs Wiki.

The Wiki is about all the songs around the radio stations in the GTA series, it's hard to me to build this Wiki alone, so I'm inviting you to help a little bit, step by step, brick by brick.

I'm trying to create a Wiki, bringing articles to an identical look-a-like method. They are actually very short. The songs infoboxes should contain the name, image (offcial album cover), size, artist, radio stations, game, year and genre. The header section should look like this: Example is a song performed by Artist Example featured in the radio station [[Example]] in GameExample. The sections are the following :

  • Lyrics - you can pick one from the internet, include the <center> at the top and bottom from the section and don't forget the colons (:). Remember to keep 20 free lines between the header section and the lyrics section.
  • Trivia (optional) - If the song can be listen during a cutscene (example : Arab Money).
  • Video - The best video you can find about it on Youtube.

This is an optional invite, I hope the Wiki will turn up extremely amazing in few months, just like the GTA Myths Wiki did.

Anyways, I'll ask the bureaucrats if the Wiki can become an affiliate when stronger.

Cheers! --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 01:27, January 19, 2014 (UTC)

Radio DJs

Hey Tom, not to bother you something or whatnot, the Radio DJs who appear themselves in every GTA games, should we add the images of them, their date of birth and what city and state they were born on their pages or leave it the way it was before? Cloudkit01 (talk) 14:53, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

Page renaming

Sup, Tom. I need you to rename this page and replace the (GTA V) with (HD Universe). Thanks! Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 16:07, January 20, 2014 (UTC)

New Patroller(s)

Hey Tom. With Thomas0802's promotion, that means that there's an open spot(s) on the staff patroller team. Shall we allow people to make requests? LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:21, January 24, 2014 (UTC)

I think DocVinewood could aswell and probably Carl Johnson Jr. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 07:34, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
I'll let them know. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 09:59, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

9000 articles

Hi! I represent the Russian Grand Theft Wiki. I congratulate you on the creation of the 9,000th article. We cheer for you. We hope that you will have 10,000 articles in near future.

Just wondering

Hey Tom. Should we start erasing all links around the quotes in the Wiki? --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 23:01, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Tom. As an admin, I will be renaming images and cleaning up stubs. BTW, have you seen the new GTA Songs Wiki? How do you think it looks? --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 14:34, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Page renaming

Hi Tom, there are a couple of pages that need to be renamed: Red's Diner should be Rex's Diner and Hitting Kids Works Wonder should be Hitting Kids Works Wonders. Thanks.DocVinewood (talk) 16:05, January 26, 2014 (UTC)

Another one: Perrara Beach Motel should be Perrera Beach Motel.DocVinewood (talk) 16:16, January 29, 2014 (UTC)


Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! From where must I go to request for a promotion to be a patroller? Smashbro8 (talk) 16:39, January 26, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Should I put the request in the "Active Requests" section or where should I put it? Should it be a simple "I'd like to be a patroller"? Smashbro8 (talk) 19:37, January 26, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Must I now message staff users to let them know that I have made a Request for Promotion so that they can vote? I'm confused. Smashbro8 (talk) 18:47, January 27, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Myths Wiki redirect on homepage.

Hello, I'm a bureaucrat on the GTA Myths Wiki, and I noticed that the current logo in the "Affiliates" section is outdated. May you or another staff member please update the logo? Thanks a bunch, CommunistOverlordJim

Hey, The Tom. Let's just say that I'm really picky about which weapon I use in Grand Theft Auto 4. And what really bothering me is how on Three Leaf Clover the set me up the the M4A1. I want to use the AK-47 on that mission and it keeps setting me with the M4 so I have to use the "Poor" gun cheat after the cutscene. I know I should be alright after I enter the cheat but I really do not want anything to do with the M4A1 in that mission. I would be fine if it showed Niko with the M4A1 in the cutscene and after it I would have the AK-47. I want no cheats involved if you have a resoloution.

Business Category

Hi The Tom! Smashbro8 here! I've noticed that the Businesses category is no longer being used. Should I delete the categories from all the pages it is on? Also, what is the Companies category about? Smashbro8 (talk) 03:55, January 30, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Speaking of Promotion, would you mind giving me a vote on the Requests for Promotion page? Smashbro8 (talk) 02:17, January 31, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Unused and image policy violating files

Just like I said to Ilan, I found this special page, a page listing all the unused images around the Wiki. Almost all of them are violating the policy. Can you help me with deleting them? Thanks. --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 11:50, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Yep, it's true. I deleted like 200 pics in one hour, it's a good way to keep things organized. --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 12:21, February 1, 2014 (UTC)


Hi The Tom! Smashbro8 here! Carl Johnson Jr. has made a request for promotion on the Requests for Promotion page. Thanks! Smashbro8 (talk) 18:52, February 1, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

I would like to talk with you. Please come on chat.

TheAlphatheOmega (talk) 23:19, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted Page

Hey Tom. I was just wondering (because the guy is telling me about it), why did you delete the page for Ortega's vehicle. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 00:02, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Ortega's trailer

If ever you feel curious, here is the proof that you were wrong and that there really is a vehicle version of Ortega's Trailer:  proptrailer=0x153E1B0A

PROPTRAILER  1800.0  10.0  80	0.0  0.0  0.0  	-0.01 0.29 -0.72  1.0 1.0 1.0 0.0  1  0.00  0.3 1.3 1.3 105.0	0.7  0.50 0.5  40.0		3.30 3.30 20.0  0.15 0.0 0.0  0.5   1.0		1.2  1.0  1.0  0.20 -0.20 0.0  0.50 0.0	  0.0	0.4 0.4		0.8 1.0 0.2 1.5  100.0 0.0 	0.0 0.0 0.0 	 40000 		20220048	0				2			AVERAGE			30

@ PROPTRAILER 38.0 15.0 -1.0 -0.5 2.0 -0.0 0.0 0.0 1.0

It exists in the game's files as proptrailer. If you spawn it with a save editor or get one of your buddies to do it for you, you will see(Note: iirc, set bodystyle to 198 or the vehicle will be missing some walls). Next time, please do not be so close-minded when someone tries to show you proof that something does exist. TheAlphatheOmega (talk) 00:36, February 2, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Ortega's trailer

Ok, now I see where you are coming from(plus I am on my meds so I am calmer). But it is not a modded vehicle per se. The vehicle exists in the stock game files, it is just never seen outside of the mission where it replaces the static object(the game deletes the static obj and transplants the vehicle in it's place). Think of it like the RC Cam from GTA:SA. It was a vehicle to be used for a single mission(that got cut, but that is beside the point)like the trailer, but nobody even knew it existed until they went through the gamefiles. Anyways, I don't really care anymore. I thought it would be an interesting subject for an article being that it was a vehicle that nobody knew about. I still believe it should have a mention somewhere, but I don't care if it doesn't get it's own article.

In addition, the proptrailer apparently does have an "engine" because when you get in it exhaust smoke effects start coming out of vents in the top of the trailer. That makes me think that it was actually "driving" backwards when you use Trevor's truck to push it, because as you probably have seen, it is really hard to push any stationary vehicle and get it to move in GTA V.

TheAlphatheOmega (talk) 19:26, February 2, 2014 (UTC)


Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! I was playing GTA V and came to the end of the street that connects the street to Cape Catfish and found this boat here at the fishing dock. It's named the Shitzu Santiago. Have you ever heard of such a boat in GTA V? I have pictures if you need them. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 02:42, February 3, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Thanks for the Welcome

Thanks for the welcome, Tom. I will be helping any way I can. I am going through looking for broken images and then taking them and uploading them.


Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! I thought you had blocked MehdiFR for infinite? He replied on his talk page insulting you. Is there a way to stop him from editing his talk page? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 19:48, February 3, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

You have to tick a box when you block him. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 19:53, February 3, 2014 (UTC)

Hey The Tom, you don't feel bad about what MehdiFR said do you? By the way, did you get my message about that strange Shitzu boat I found? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 23:21, February 3, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

You can see his message on his talk page if you go into history, but I wouldn't advise you too if it's gonna hurt your feelings. I asked you if you feel bad, because as an editor here, we work together, we stick together. 

Also, I'm going to upload the pics and put them on your talk page for you to see. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 00:25, February 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Santiago-GTA V-side view

This is the Shitzu Santiago boat that I found.

Here's the boat's picture. ---> 

Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 00:41, February 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Yes I have seen trolls but I never been insulted by one. I am glad you don't care, because I was gonna offer to help cheer you up if you were unhappy about what he said. Also, what do you think about this boat I found? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 00:47, February 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Okay! Tomorrow I will create the boat's page then after you have said what you think about it. BTW, if you need to find it, I found one at the fishing dock at Cape Catfish, however, I don't know if it is a permanent spawning point yet. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 01:00, February 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Another Vandal

Hey Tom, we got another vandal here, it should be blocked. Cloudkit01 (talk) 00:01, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

A user by the name of Chriskim has been deleting things from the Fort Zancudo page and doing things like changing section names to things like "It's a bathroom!" If you look on the recent activity, I undone some of them. You should speak to him about this. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 00:02, February 5, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2


Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! Just wanted to let you know that you should make a vote on the Requests for Promotion page so that one of us is elected to Patroller. Also, have you found the boat yet? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 16:53, February 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

I just wanted to let you know, I am not being stubborn. This is how Franklin's house was for me after I finished the game. It was already settled. I think it probably just glitched for me if I'm wrong about it. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 16:58, February 5, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2

I've read the comments and I also was expecting my request to be unsuccessful. I meant to close the vote and make Carl Johnson Jr. a patroller since he has all Yes except for Dodo8's vote. Don't forget to vote on him! You didn't find that boat right? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:07, February 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

I know i just thought that since it was done right when I finished the game, that it was for everyone else. So I changed it one the page. I was just explaining that this is how it was for me. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 17:11, February 5, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2

Oh ok! I'll keep that in mind! Also, I found the boat at the fishing dock (the looped road at the end) in Cape Catfish. I need to keep playing GTA V to find out if this is a permanent spawning point and I will let you know if I see the boat again. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 17:14, February 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

New Los Santos montage

Hi, I think the HD Los Santos main page needs a new montage picture, since the older one has disappeared, along with many others in the wiki. City articles are one of the most important and most visited and this one looks bad without a main image. I'm asking you because I've done some montages and I'd like to have your permission before altering the page. These are 3 montages I've done:

These are some examples, but I'd like to know what you think and if any of them is good enough to be added. I can make a different one if you think another place should be added (I wanted to include Grove Street but I haven't found any good pic). If not, maybe another user can make a better one, but in any case I think the page needs a new image. Thanks! DocVinewood (talk) 19:39, February 5, 2014 (UTC) 

Header image is messy


The header image should be reverted to the version without the gray area present, dated 19:37, 6 May 2013, as it does not cover the buttons correctly on any other resolution other than the one Dodo8 relied on, this image is displayed on my screen with a full HD resolution (1920x1080). I recommend reverting to a clean background version of the image and adding the following CSS line to MediaWiki:Common.css (affects all layouts) or MediaWiki:Wikia.css (only affects current layout):

.WikiHeader > nav li {background: #757575}

Reverting the image and adding the CSS line will produce the following. --Lyrixn (talk) 13:45, February 6, 2014 (UTC)

Do you not wish to fix this? --Lyrixn (talk) 22:02, February 9, 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Tom, it has been more 7 days since I made my promotion request. Most of the staff members have voted. And most of the answers are Yes. Does that mean I am ready? Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 20:01, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I closed the request for you. Could you give him the rights please, Tom. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 20:23, February 9, 2014 (UTC)

Page Needs Renaming

Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! Can you rename this page to Voice Actors of GTA V? Thanks! Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 05:15, February 11, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8


What? Who? He? When? Where? Wait!

Sure, I'll add him. I'll do it tomorrow when I'll have time.

BTW, have you heard about that game, 'Flappy Bird'? -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 19:06, February 11, 2014 (UTC)

Very funny. Ye..NO! I meant to say 'no' :P
Due to some issues at home (was very busy with school... kinda). Don't worry, you'll se me here more active soom. -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 19:43, February 11, 2014 (UTC)
Sorry to but into this but Flappy Bird is the most annoying thing ever! Everyone gets mad at the game, yet everybody plays it? Why play the game if you hate it (not you The Tom)?! Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 20:52, February 11, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8


Tom, could you have a talk with him/her, he's really getting annoying just because I removed "his/her edits", I removed it because it doesn't make sense, it was sloppy or something, I fixed it but he/she is still complaining that I changed his/her edit on the Merryweather Security page, just please talk to him/her okay Tom, thanks. Cloudkit01 (talk) 16:14, February 12, 2014 (UTC)

Page changed

Sup Tom Tom, Daniel Mastrogiorgio should be Danny Mastrogiorgio, I don't know why that page was added, let me know if that page is changed k Tom. Cloudkit01 (talk) 16:13, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks :) Cloudkit01 (talk) 18:52, February 13, 2014 (UTC)

What shoes are Niko wearing in Grand Theft Auto 4 - The Ballad of Gay Tony in the mission I Luv L.C.? I would like to play it by the book when I get to Three Leaf Clover in GTA 4 the third time I play it.


Ok. I was just thinking that Africa is not a country, and it sounds weird compared to "Italian-American" for example. Dodo8 Talk 10:13, February 17, 2014 (UTC)

Another vandal

Another vandal has done it again, removing contents from every page, give him/her a painful kick block K dude. Cloudkit01 (talk) 00:47, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

I have written a page of witch you have deleted EVERYTHING (Content updates). just want to  know whats up, I want to be an useful member of the community. Juicekid313 (talk) 03:11, February 19, 2014 (UTC)


We should add that definition to the Template:infobox character.

{{H:title|A group of people who share a common ethnic identity, language, culture, descent, history, and so forth|Nationality}}

produces this (move the cursor over it):


Just replace the entire code of the template with the code of my sandbox. Dodo8 Talk 11:45, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

What do you think?Dodo8 Talk 09:13, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
Ok then.Dodo8 Talk 12:14, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Masih De Santa Sockpuppetry

I just caught Masih De Santa using another account. Compare the one I just blocked to his actual account and you will notice that they were both born on March 4th and they have both put where they live as "English". The thing that gives it away the most is the talk page on the new account which is a message posted by himself saying he hates Masih De Santa. Check it out and tell me what you think. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 21:40, February 19, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 09:48, February 20, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, he sent me the same section that you don't understand on the myth wiki. I don't get it either. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:25, February 20, 2014 (UTC)

"Nothing wrong with this spelling."

Yes it is wrong in fact it is spelled as criticized not crititicised look it up if you don't believe me. Mr.Rig and Zig 01:28, February 20, 2014 (UTC)ccrit·i·cizerit·i·cize

It is spelt criticised too. Messi1983 (talk) 12:43, February 20, 2014 (UTC)


Another small category issue. There are two disarranged categories: Properties and Properties in Grand Theft Auto V. Which one do you think we should keep? --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 13:16, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Fact. But I realized that businesses that can be bought by the player in previous games are referred as assets, like: Assets in GTA Vice City, Assets in GTA San Andreas, Assets in GTA Liberty City Stories etc.. but in GTA V, these assets are now known as properties. So I'm not sure if the category Properties should be a big glossary to all the properties in the series with its subcategories or we could rename all the assets pages with properties (Assets in GTA Vice City = Properties in GTA Vice City) + the categories aswell. What do you think? --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 20:54, February 22, 2014 (UTC)

Far Out

Was there a reason for deleting the Far out page? And should we just create sections under the page Omega for the missions given by Omega called, Far Out, and, The Final Frontier?


Template:Gtasa links to multiple disambig pages and should be cleaned up. These include San AndreasLos Santos, and Las Venturas. This list may not be exhaustive, it is simply to illustrate that there are more one issue on this template. I would make the changes myself, but the page editing has been locked. Nebiksrazu (talk) 14:09, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. All done. Nebiksrazu (talk) 19:04, February 24, 2014 (UTC)

Template:Cityofliberty(GTA III Era)

Template:Cityofliberty(GTA III Era) links to the disambig page Liberty City Fire Department, but it is locked from edits. Please unlock or link it to Liberty City Fire Department (3D Universe) instead. Nebiksrazu (talk) 20:33, February 24, 2014 (UTC)


Hey The Tom! There's a sentence on the Newport/Fort Staunton Expressway page that I'm having issues with. It makes no sense even though I tried to fix it. It is the last sentence before the "Travel" heading. Should we delete this sentence or is there a way to fix it? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 21:19, February 24, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8


Thanks for making the change to Template:Cityofliberty(GTA III Era). I have another one for you: Template:PhoneNav. It links to Fruit Computers, but should link to Fruit Computers in HD Universe, since Fruit Computers in 3D Universe never sold cell phones. Nebiksrazu (talk) 13:02, February 25, 2014 (UTC)


Give me a good reason why you undid my edit on the Comet page.

MitchMaljers - "5 years ago a virus escaped and everyone died" 22:04, February 26, 2014 (UTC)

Ahh.. something went wrong? :p

I got all the information regarding the performance and engine from ;)

MitchMaljers - "5 years ago a virus escaped and everyone died" 07:49, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Page Needs Deleting

Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! This page needs deleting right away. The guy who made the page, who also made a page on Super Smash Bros. Brawl needs to be blocked. He's already been warned by an admin. Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 23:57, February 26, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Old Bureau

Need to demote this personLS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 13:37, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

Okie dokie then. LS11sVaultBoy (Talk) 12:35, February 28, 2014 (UTC)

About Terry and Clay death

Look, i undestand and agree that Trevor would have killed Terry and Clay in that mission, i left this very clear in the first trivia that i put in that page. But, the game still gives the player an opportunity to let them both live, and i don't think this should just be ignored. I'm not saying this because i'm a desperate The Lost fan that want to believe that they are alive, no, i'm totally indifferent about it.

What i'm saying is that, if we are going to edit this page according to what we think its cannon or not, than we should by logic apply the same rule to the other pages. Michael and Trevor status should be alive, because its completely out of character for Franklin to kill either of them. Why theres one rule to Terry and Clay but another rule to the rest of the wiki?

IN MY OPINION, i think we should keep the status of both of them determinant, and let that piece of trivia there to explain why. I know the change of they live its very small and require a lot of work, but it does not matter, the change its still there! And change the status to deceased and delete the trivia its just ignore the problem, not solve it. 

Answer me, so i can edit the page again or not and sorry for any english mistakes. 558050 (Talk) 16:28, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

RE:RE: About Terry and Clay death

KKKKKKKKK You REALLY don't take the trouble to have the sympathy of anyone here, or at least not mine. But you know something? I don't care. If you think thats the best way to go. Fine. This is your job, not mine after all. I was just giving you my opinion, and like i said: I'm indifferent to the destiny of this characters. Sorry for wasting your time and thank you for your attention. 558050 (Talk) 17:56, February 27, 2014 (UTC)

RE:RE:About Terry and Clay death

OK, man. I understand if you are tired of discuss about this subject. It's just that this is the first time that i was talking to you (in fact this is the first time i talk to anyone here), and right in my first response i felt offended. As you said: it's hard to perceive tone through messages, so i did not know if that was your intention, but still bothered me.

Anyway, i'm not the kind of person that would insult someone just because i don't agree with him, so if we ever talk again, i hope that i don't pass the wrong impression about me. Bye. 558050 (Talk) 19:53, February 27, 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Tom. This user has been constantly ignoring my messages and continuing to put "Canon" all over any instances that mention Ending C. I have told him, and even warned him, but he still continues to undo my edits. Can you deal with him? Thanks. Carl Johnson Jr. (talk) 01:29, February 28, 2014 (UTC)


Hi TheTom. I just want to know why my edits keep being reverted? Abdullahzahran (talk) 09:59, March 1, 2014 (UTC)

Heavy Pistol

I messed up the infobox on the Heavy Pistol page. can you help me out and fix it because I don't know how to. Thanks. TheAdamBomb2 (talk) 12:58, March 1, 2014 (UTC)TheAdamBomb2


What's going on with the wiki's pictures? I looked around varoius pages and found most of the pictures not shown.I thought this was a problem with my laptop, but its happening with my brother's laptop and my PC too. I even hooked it up to a different WiFi network. Abdullahzahran (talk) 15:33, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Why did you delete my comment on Gibea's profile?

I have just noticed that you changed Gta Iv missions page back to the good old readable format, Thank you Whatever007 (talk) 17:21, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

Did you think I was the one that made the Tables on the "Gta IV missions" page? (Gibea did that)

I am sorry for the comment I made on Gibea's profile, I was frustrated by the tables he made and the poor English on the headers.

But that is no excuse and it will not happen again. Thanks again for changing back to the good old readable format.

If it is fine with you, I may contact you in the future if I notice unpleasant changes like this last one.

P.S. I have deleted the warning on my profile, I know my mistake and it will not happen again.

Whatever007 (talk) 17:40, March 2, 2014 (UTC)

About "Missions in GTA IV


Eh that's okay let me try use this graph to explain, this graph is the reason why I tried to re-order and re-organize the missions after I done this image.

(Actually I'm not yet prepared to upload this version of the graph image because it still has some minor parts need to fix up for more easy to read.)

Also , I still thinking about what will it looks like if added more details in it.

Gibea (talk) 05:04, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Page Needs Renaming

Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here. Can you rename this Duth London to Dutch London? Thanks! Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 12:21, March 3, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Altruist Cult as a gang

Why aren't the Altruists a gang? Seeing as Merryweather and the Killer Hipsters has been added, why not the Altruists? They fit the definition; they are a group of people that get together to engage in illegal activity, in their case ritualistic murder, rape, and cannibalism. They even have their own gang attack in GTA Online. I'd say they have a better claim to be considered a gang than the Hipsters do. Polpun (talk) 00:57, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Need Help

Hey The Tom! Smashbro8 here! Would you mind offering me a hand here? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 04:17, March 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

It's on my wiki (well not really mine's) Wii Wiki ( I have two pages based on Luigi and I wanted to merge one with the other so that it doesn't cause too much confusion. However, there is another user who edits here and disagrees with what I'm doing, thus removing what I am merging. He is the only other editor I have on the wiki (the wiki is terribly abandoned now) and I'm trying to avoid giving him a block for removing my edits. How would you handle this situation? Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 19:16, March 4, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Yea I'm an admin on there. I'll try to merge the page I was merging and if he reverts it, he'll get a warning. If he continues afterwards, he'll get a block. I'll let you know how things work out. Thanks! Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 18:12, March 5, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

RE: RE: About Missions in GTA IV

It's okay to follow the style as before, and it's okay to leave the order as before at this moment. Actually what I still thinking about how to do is found out the way to make it as the "Missions Unlocks & Unlocked By" graph pic I post above, but the mission names are able to click for link. Personally that pic is very useful for me to read the actual structure of which mission unlocks the others, but it still need more explanation to fit the standard for show to public.

Gibea (talk) 07:33, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Gibea has just introduced the flowchart he was talking about, I think it is messy and the use of a flowchart is not appropriate since it imply that by following the arrows you can skip missions. A correct form of flowchart need to go through ALL the missions that are required to complete the storyline (that will be really messy). This is an unnecessary change to the page Missions in GTA IV and I prefer that it should be removed. Furthermore I have noticed that Gibea is not proficient in English, which makes it hard to discuss the changes with him. Since I do not intend to engage a useless edit battle with him, I am asking you to rule on this matter, Thank you for your time, Whatever007 (talk) 14:22, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Mob and Crime Family

Please, Tom, don't make any rush decisions. We already have articles about Korean Mob and Albanian Mob, so the word itself is correct enough.

The problem is, we don't know if Bonelli's mob can be called the entire mafia family. It's suppose it being big enough and has a strong hierarchy. As far as we know, it's just bunch of goons, so please, rename it back to mob, until we know more. "Crime Family" is something like Ancelottis or Messinas.

Also, I don't even know what kind of term this is, "Crime Family". LCPD Database uses term "Crime Syndicate" and people use term "Family".

Thanks, Orto Dogge (talk) 19:18, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it sounds correct, if it is not for one "but".
The same group of people appears on construction site during gang wars in multiplayer. I guess it makes them gang.
But since we don't know if he is part of some family or if he is family himself, I guess the term "Mob" will be the closest to the true. It's just group of armed people in illegal activity. It can't be called "bodyguards", neither "crime family".
So what do you think? Legit? Orto Dogge (talk) 19:26, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Wow, thank you very much, Tom! Wasn't expenting such objectivity in such arguable question! And since you this open in discussion, can you please tell your opinion in this and this topics? I really need either support or arguments, so you'll be more than welcome. You've already proved yourself the right man twice in my short practice on this Wikia, so I'll be happy to sort out any future problems with you! Thanks again! Orto Dogge (talk) 19:37, March 4, 2014 (UTC) 

Game Guide App

Hi, The Tom!

As you might be aware the Grand Theft Auto wiki has its own dedicated game guide app (focused heavily on GTA V) outside of our all-inclusive games app. To help promote it, we were wondering if you might be willing to have a badge placed on the main page of the site? It is 300x136 and would sit in the top of the right rail, or close to it. It would link to both the Google Play and Apple Store versions of the app.

Best regards, Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 22:36, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the placement! Feel free to move it down on the right rail if you need to ;) Raylan13@Wikia (talk) 18:27, March 5, 2014 (UTC)

My english not perfect. So i cant say true infos to him

Blog Posts

Hey The Tom! I've created three blog posts and I think they should be deleted now they are useless and no one has replied on em. Thanks! Smashbro8-Sig-pt1 (Smashbro8-Sig-pt2) 18:05, March 6, 2014 (UTC)Smashbro8

Can you protect this page?

Hey Tom, Ice finn is adding some stupid trivia on the Infernus page saying the taillights resemble the Pokeball from Pokémon, this isn't even trivia and it's opinion which doesn't qualify as trivia, I've messaged him on why it shouldn't be there but he continues to persist re-adding it, he hasn't re-added it since my most recent undoing however.TPShadowDragon Born into flame! 09:42, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Hey Tom i remove some Images not working from the wikia,and you is the senior admn from wikia?

But i edit te roosevelt page is use a pre realease screen,i gass is not much usaable because some guy add a new image  with hd quality

Me again.

He's carrying on, except he's adding it to another page this time, I don't think he's getting it, I noticed you mentioned on his page about the edit warring, I don't think he took it seriously.TPShadowDragon Born into flame! 18:36, March 9, 2014 (UTC)


I'm trying to end the argument by putting it in a appropriate place but he won't stop. Ice finn (talk) 18:41, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Uncivil to TheAdamBomb2

Tom, this guy put "dumbfuck" on the edit summary of the Heavy Pistol page to make sure that Adam sees it and his attitude stinks in this wiki, I think he should be blocked for throwing his anger at him, let me know k man. Cloudkit01 (talk) 22:07, March 9, 2014 (UTC)


As an idea, to stop this bullshit as I'm tired of it. I've got an idea, instead of stating it to be a reference, a section should be added on the page where it's something like "Possible references" and a note says something along the lines of "Below is a list of possible references to other media however these are unconfirmed and may be false." Thoughts?TPShadowDragon Born into flame! 00:41, March 10, 2014 (UTC)


Sorry, Tom, but why do you think, that information about surname of the character not being a surname is not worth to be in trivia? Orto Dogge (talk) 16:17, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, if you say so, let's keep it that way. But I'm a little bit disappointed how you put your personal opinion above rare facts and information, which could be useful or just interesting. There are a lot of Trivia in this Wikia, which can be removed because "nobody cares". There is a very blurred line between "somebody cares" and "nobody cares" and I'm not sure if this is right thing to do: draw it based on your personall opinions. I think the whole Trivia section is made for arguable and off-topic information. Information about name of the character and developers' oversight is definitely should be there. But if you don't think so, I'm nobody to judge.
And please, answer me in Kkangpae discussion. It somehow affects matter of personal opinions too. Orto Dogge (talk) 17:34, March 10, 2014 (UTC)


Actually, I think, this is something people should get used to. If Rockstar already got used to it after GTA IV and CW (where they were called Midtown Gangsters) — we should too. There were times, when people considered words like Mafia, Tongs and Yakuza not English enough, but these times are gone. If Rockstar took the risk of calling them Kkangpaes, we obviously should too.

But to make searching easier for other people, we can always put text "May be you're looking for Kkangpaes..." on the top of Korean Mob page. There are a lot of complications like this in this Wikia.

Orto Dogge (talk) 16:26, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

As I said, it is not necessary to make user's life harder, because they still could find the page by typing Korean Mob. It's just wrong for Wikia to use made-up name instead of original ones. For example, real Wikipedia has an article with the name Kkangpae so I can't see why are we worse than them.
More than that, Rockstar used the name Kkangpae, so once again, I don't frankly think this it is our call to make, how to name this article. If Rockstar and Wikipedia say "Kkangpae", how can we argue with that? This is not our decision.
"Mafia" will never be the common word if at one point of history people won't decide to use it in common life and articles. Rockstar and Wikipedia say, that this point for Korean criminals has come. Are you sure that your opinion on what's common and what's not can be more appropriate, than their?
Once again. Rockstar says "Kkangpae". Wikipedia says "Kkangpae". GTA Wikia obviously should say "Kkanhgpae" too.
And for any future complications we can always put the link on Korean Mob article.
Orto Dogge (talk) 16:48, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, thanks a lot Tom. I know how difficult it is to prevent argument of becoming personal, especially when you have strong opinion in it. You're natural-born moderator, administrator or bureaucrat, I respect you for that very much.
The only time when the name is used is during the gang attack on property (The Hen House). Then text about attack of Kkangpae appears. I was surprised, because first time I discovered this word was during researches on Korean Mob in GTA IV.
Thank you again for putting a logical and noble end to our discussion.
What about Trivias and Zverovnas, I actually learned a lot of useful and interesting information via this WIkia's trivia and I was very upset when I saw, that most of it was deleted. Trivia isn't this important part of an article and I think, that it's just the right place for such facts. Especially when it comes to very stub article of Zverovna, which only interested side is her mispelled name.
But, as I said, this is not my call and I trust you on your opinion. I'm more concerned about gangs, since they are very un-linear in HD Universe. It's interesting for me to work on gangs' articles.
Thank you again and again, Tom. Orto Dogge (talk) 19:50, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Salvatore & Cilli

'sup bro,

In LCS, during the mission "The Portland Chainsaw Masquerade", Toni kills (more like butchers) Vinnie Cilli for attempting to kill him in previous missions. Now, I don't remember excatly, but did Salvatore comment on Vinnie's death or not? -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 18:17, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

The page "Missions in Gta IV" has been changed again by Gibea... please undo the changes and speak to him about making unnecessary changes.

About the Mission Path

I really disapointed the chart removed because of "It doesn't fit the style of the Wiki". The major reason I made that chart because the recent Missions page can't show the structure of the mission paths, that means it "lack of founction" to show up any relationship of the missions. What I think is until has "any better way" to show the path, then it is okay to remove that chart. Gibea (talk) 21:45, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Lost and Deleted

About that Lost Clubhouse's Trivia.

You were right, I was wrong.

I've checked Bleeter and there was no such bleet.

Thank you. Orto Dogge (talk) 19:15, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't see your post! I don't have any attitude with you, Tom, don't you worry about it. More than that, somehow I even see you as a friend here. Not the best friend, obviously, but a person, which I respect and can deal with. But you're cold. And sometimes I pity people, whos trivia you've deleted. Because, just like them, I'm the kind of person who thinks, that there is no such thing as "too much facts about GTA".
But please, don't see me as a guy, who wants to make your life harder. Even if I do so. :) Orto Dogge (talk) 19:22, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, cool! Let's go bowling! Orto Dogge (talk) 19:31, March 13, 2014 (UTC)


Should I delete the Vasquez page? It doesn't state anywhere in the article what mission she appears in and I don't know if Vasquez is even her real name. Ice finn (talk) 03:57, March 14, 2014 (UTC)


It's something pretty minor, really, but shouldn't the titles of the pages have capitalised letters (except for prepositions like of, the, etc.)?

Mikey Klebbitz (talk) 10:03, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for breaking in your discussion with Mikey, but I think someone should point out some facts.

Some resources , including Wikipedia , which you referenced in your previous answer to Mikey, say that all words in titles should be capitalized. Quotes:

Always capitalize the first and last words of titles of publications regardless of their parts of speech. Capitalize other words within titles, including the short verb forms Is, Are, and Be. —'

In English, some authors/publishers capitalize the first word and the last word of titles. In addition, they believe that all nouns, pronouns, adjectives, verbs, adverbs, and subordinate conjunctions should be capitalized. — Wikipedia

Another important thing is other gangs' names in other articles, such as Korean Mob. They word "mob" is usually capitalized.

And another important thing is LCPD Database which we should see as a source. It uses capitalized form of names, like Ancelotti Crime Syndicate. That's how we understand, that this is the name and not just specification.

More than that, Wikipedia uses "crime family" as specification. We use it as a part of the name. Wikipedia doesn't have any source, which reference to the Gambinos, for example, can be considered as official name. We have such source, which is GTA itself. So if GTA uses term "Crime Family" or "Crime Syndicate" with capital letters, we should follow the example.

And... I know it's silly thing to say, but why don't somebody rename this articles on Wikipedia? :) I'm not sure the matter of capitalization was discussed there as much as here. :)

And if you interested in my opinion, "Ancelotti crime family" as a title just looks ugly.

Still no attitude. Orto Dogge (talk) 16:34, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Crime family isn't capitalised on any reputable Mafia related website. GTA never says "Crime Family" to my knowledge. I don't have time to go into some big debate, and no I'm not interested in your opinion - which I completely disagree with as I believe that "Ancelotti Crime Family" looks ugly. Tom Talk 17:03, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
Either get some time for debate, or stop undoing things, which people have time to think and debate about.
"Reputable Mafia websites", as you call them, write about real-life crime families. We're writing about gangs in GTA, and most of them have names, which means capital letters. Them families are called "Crime Syndicates" in-game and I know, that this wikia is supposed to follow exactly this example in naming articles. So articles about crime families in GTA IV should be renamed in "Crime Syndicates" with capital letters, And inside the article itself, not in the title, the gangs can be called families or crime families, since this is not official name.
And I don't know why I, as a foreigner, should teach you your language, but in English all words in titles should be written with capital letters, as two resources, which I presented you above, totally confirmed. I don't think that your "reputable Mafia websites" are more reputable in the matter of grammary, than
Still no attitude, Orto Dogge (talk) 18:36, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
If that isn't attitude then I don't know what is - watch it or I will block you. You've got a history with this so you shouldn't need another warning.
You're not teaching me about my own language, you're Googling things that you think contradict my points. You're a hypocrite for disputing a Wikipedia title as not valid when you've previously used one as "evidence".
Mikey was undoing my edits without consulting me, so I undid his and consulted him - not you.
The term "family" is used constantly in game when describing Mafia groups, far more than one or two mentions on the LCPD Database. "Family" implies an actual family - such as the McReary family - so crime family fits perfectly.
"All words in titles should be written in capitals"? No, that might be the case in American English which you seem to be using - or rather the websites you copy everything you say from use - but in real English that is not the case.
When I say "I don't have time to go into some big debate" I mean I don't have time to talk to you. It's never a simple discussion with you. You make it far more complex than is necessary, I only have limited time available on the Wiki and you're consuming that time by arguing about everything I do.
I'm normally willing to have a democratic discussion, I could've easily sorted out any issues with Mikey - who I reiterate, undid my revisions before I undid his - but you get involved when you shouldn't. Tom Talk 19:58, March 15, 2014 (UTC) I said, I prefer "Crime Family" to "crime family", but after checking Wikipedia's mafia pages, for the title, I confirmed that they do write "crime family".
Again, this is something very minor, and I don't think it is worth arguing over, but I'll leave that for both of you to discuss.
That said, I'm out of the discussion at this point. You sort this arguing out yourselves.
Mikey Klebbitz (talk) 20:04, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
That was so much simpler. That would've been the end of it and everything would've been fine. See that Orto? That was all that was really needed. I agree Mikey, it is a was a very minor issue.  
Now that the two people whose discussion this was have agreed, this is over. Tom Talk 20:11, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
Why do you make it personal? I don't get it.
Look at yourself. You're threatening me. This is not a warning, I didn't break any rule. You're just see some personal issue in discussing capital letters and make threats, using your tools as administrator. This is definitely unappropriate.
More than that, you can't keep discussion without insults. Why did you call me a hyprocrite? I mean, I see why, but this is a misunderstanding. And this misunderstanding didn't give you right to insult a user.
And what's that? "See that Orto"? "That alright Orto Dogge?" Now you mention me in summaries for edits. This is childish. You're blaiming me for making things personal, but it's you who make fun of me in front of people.
I never, never did anything just because you do otherwise. And I always try to discuss everything I do, especialy with you, since I know, that our opinions seem to be different too often. I never make it personal, never tell anybody about not having enough time, even if I really don't have enough time. I always discuss things with people, always do my best to lose tense with them, always apologize if they get me wrong, just like you did. And it's still not enough for you. 
I think that your behaviour is unappropriate, especially for a staff member. This is a honor to be a bureaucrat and this is a responsibility too. You can't just say: "I don't have time". Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is your job. Why do I have time to explain you every little detail about my point? I use links from internet, I use proofs from GTA, and in reply get just opinions and complains about lack of time.
Do you have any higher authority here? I want to discuss it with them. This is unappropriate behaviour you demonstrate and this is not acceptable for Wiki standarts. I want somebody impartial to judge us, I can't reason with you.
Still no attitude, Orto Dogge (talk) 21:40, March 15, 2014 (UTC)

Why do you make it personal? I don't get it.

Look at yourself. You're threatening me. This is not a warning, I didn't break any rule. You're just see some personal issue in discussing capital letters and make threats, using your tools as administrator. This is definitely unappropriate.

You keep saying "still no attitude", that in itself is you displaying a negative attitude, you're being condescending. I'm not making it personal, I don't know you as a person so that's impossible; I know you only as an editor who doesn't allow me to do my job because he's disputing everything I do.
Hypocrite is not an insult, you were being hypocritical, therefore I stated that you are a hypocrite. No insult.
You're talking to me in a disrespectful way and I don't buy the "no attitude" thing you keep saying. You are talking to me with an attitiude. "I don't know why I, as a foreigner, should teach you your language" - this is attitude. You can't deny that, and that is uncivil behaviour and against the rules.
I said "See that Orto?" because I wanted you to see how simple it could've been. I'm not making fun of you. I said "That alright Orot Dogge" because it seems to be getting to the point where I can't edit without a grilling from you.
My point was that you leave me page long messages when you don't need to. You got involved in a discussion between me and Mikey when you didn't need to. Like I said, I try to be democratic, but your making my duties on the Wiki a lot more difficult than they need to be.
I'm not trying to make anything personal, I'm trying to get a point across to you. My behaviour is not inappropriate, and I'm sad that you think it is, but I hope you see my point now.
This is a part time hobby of mine, not my real job. I have a 9 to 5, and I have evening classes at College, so I have a very limited amount of time on the Wiki, and like I said, you are consuming most of that time at the moment needlessly. I literally don't have the time to keep doing this. That's why I pointed out the quick chat me and Mikey had about the subject, that's how it should be. Not like this.
You don't have to explain every little detail, that's my point. Be quick, get to the point, and solve issues in a quick and civil manner. I'm not discussing opinions and your "proofs" (proof) again, we've done this. Nope, b'crat is the top here.
Look, if you have an issue with an edit of mine, leave me a brief message and I'll explain my reasoning - but don't pick out every little thing because trust me, I know what I'm doing - you can leave a quick response disputing that and we'll solve it quickly. I really don't want to continue to have to discuss this, I didn't insult you, I didn't make it personal, you do have an attitude whether you deny it or not - it could be unintentional but I don't think it is anymore.
As I said, we can't reason with each other. If b'crats are the top here, let's ask the rest of them, what do they think about situation between us. I'll go away no problem if your insults and mockeries are not as obvious for others as I think. If they will say that all those mentions of my name in summaries weren't unappropriate for a staff member, then I'll rethink my standarts of communication.
So please, tell them somehow, or if this is impossible and you're the main authority here, tell me somehow. Then I'll leave, because since we both want what's best for this Wikia, this is impossible for us to work together.
Thank you in advance. Orto Dogge (talk) 22:42, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
It's really not as big an issue as you seem to think. Don't be so dramatic. I have neither insulter nor mocked you, if you genuinely believe I have then that was certainly not my intention.
For the most part you're a good editor, far better than you used to be - based on your previous blocks. I see no reason why you can't just continue to edit as you have been. You just need to listen to what I've said and adapt. Like I said, if you disagree with an edit of mine we can have a quick discussion, in the same manner of the discussion me and Mikey had. For my part I'll try to explain my edits in the edit summary more - something which I've admittedly never really taken to doing. Tom Talk 22:58, March 15, 2014 (UTC)
OK, let's forget it. But please, can you be so kind and, as you call it, drop your attitude with me? As you can see, I just try to make my improvements to this WIkia and they're mostly good. I take GTA and the art of discussion seriously, maybe too seriously, but this is not necessary a bad thing.
I'll keep working on GTA gangs then, if you don't mind. Orto Dogge (talk) 15:57, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

You and some users can edit half pages. Thats easy

Why you deleted Demarcus Bradley image??

Because his profile are privite only. So i think it was best photo of him

Apartments in GTA Online

Hi Tom, I have something to talk with you. It's about the apartments in GTA Online.

  • Should we unite multiple apartments from one single building on one single page, like the Eclipse Towers?
  • Or, should we create one page for each apartment?

--Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 14:32, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

I'll organize everything tomorrow. And by the way, what's your apartment in GTA Online? --Thomas0802 • (talkedits) 15:37, March 16, 2014 (UTC)


Yeah, I'm back in action, for now.

Unfortunately, I'm rather reluctant to edit GTA V-related pages for now, due to the fact I had to wipe out the memory of my PS3's hard-drive, thus deleting my progress in GTA4, GTA:EFLC, RDR, AC4, MP3 and yeah, GTA V. FUCK...

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on the wiki activity, and edit pages when needed. I'm currently working on Sal Leone's page (kinda disappointed at the beta product [my sandbox], if to be honest).

-- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 16:03, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

lol. The good thing is that I'm getting two new games: Dark Souls II (AKA 'Death Simulation 2014') and Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes ('cos MGS rocks!). Hopefully I'll also get Watch Dogs. -- ILan (XDEditsHome ) 16:38, March 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Missions in GTA IV

This time I made it with similar format and style without table, and make the organize more clearly and correct the right timeline. The version before too messy and hard to use and none of the relationship between missions, this is the reason I changed it, not for nice outlook but the functions. I don't understand why should leave it there with wrong timeline and a mess up layout and call it a style.

I hope you can tell me the reason you don't want to fix any error of that page and leave it be a hard-to-read version?

Gibea (talk) 00:58, March 17, 2014 (UTC)


Sorry for asking it here, for it might already be written somewhere else, but since you're here at the moment and can answer, I'll prefer to discuss it with you personally. What's the right form of transcription? (Russian: Михаил Фаустин), (Russian: Михаил Фаустин), (Russian: Михаил Фаустин) or some another way? I want to make all transcriptions on this wikia look the same, looks like the useful thing to do. Orto Dogge (talk) 14:33, March 17, 2014 (UTC)

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